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Along the warm coastal lowlands of New South Wales (map), the yellow-bellied three-toed skink lays eggs to reproduce. But individuals of the same species living in the state's higher, colder mountains are almost all giving birth to live young.
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Evolutionary records shows that nearly a hundred reptile lineages have independently made the transition from egg-laying to live birth in the past, and today about 20 percent of all living snakes and lizards give birth to live young only.
Didn't you say,"evolution still applies today. It's not about adapting"
Adapting is the evolution of thought.
And then you said,
"The ability to learn is more important to our survival than anything else and "(that ability comes naturally)".
There is more to just learning "how" to do something, there is the how under different conditions "the when" and "why" . And to say that it is natural is absurd. If one understands how,when and why they do something and repeats the process enough times the process will become natural. And the process must be taught.
Science ommits facts that that do not fit the puzzle or contradict a theory.
This is how science works and always will. I suggest you do more reading and not on line or in a library but college and science societys and academys research papers. A lot of research is rejected not because of facts but by popular belief and because it would shatter other accepted theorys.
Yes, thought is evolution too and a thought is mental not physical .
Originally posted by Nosred
Originally posted by jeichelberg
reply to post by Nosred
It is still a skink...right? I mean, it is not something else entirely...The fact remains it is still a skink...a different type of skink, but it is still a skink...
No, they are still members of the Skink genus but they are entirely different species now. They are not the same species anymore. They have diverged on the evolutionary tree into entirely separate species. Homo Sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis are both members of the Homo genus, but they are not the same species. It would be incredibly ignorant to say a Neanderthal is the same thing as a human, or vice versa. It is no less ignorant in this situation with the skinks.
They are as much the same animal as Chimpanzees and Bonobos are. Both Chimpanzees and Bonobos are members of the genus Pan, but they are not the same species.
Are you sure you even understand evolutionary theory? It's rather silly to try to argue against something you don't entirely understand isn't it?
Edit: In case you're not getting this, species in the Skink genus have diverged into separate egg laying and non-egg laying species. This is irrefutable evidence of evolution happening right before our very eyes. You have failed to offer an alternative explanation for this phenomena.
Another example of evolution occurring right in front of us:
Striking differences in head size and shape, increased bite strength and the development of new structures in the lizard’s digestive tracts were noted after only 36 years, which is an extremely short time scale,” says Duncan Irschick, a professor of biology at the University of Massachusetts Amherst. “These physical changes have occurred side-by-side with dramatic changes in population density and social structure.
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Observed changes in head morphology were caused by adaptation to a different food source. According to Irschick, lizards on the barren island of Pod Kopiste were well-suited to catching mobile prey, feasting mainly on insects. Life on Pod Mrcaru, where they had never lived before, offered them an abundant supply of plant foods, including the leaves and stems from native shrubs. Analysis of the stomach contents of lizards on Pod Mrcaru showed that their diet included up to two-thirds plants, depending on the season, a large increase over the population of Pod Kopiste.
www.sciencedaily.com...
edit on 26-10-2011 by Nosred because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jeichelberg
Well, I see a skink...I do not see anything different than a skink...sorry...There are all kinds of different animals...and species within families...I fail to see how this proves that at some point along the line, this skink will become anything else other than a skink....what do you suppose this skink will become...And there is nothing in that article indicating it will become something else...
I offered my view on what I believe to be the cause for biodiversity...it is simple...adaptation...both sides have their views on what started the whole shebang...Mine is a creator started it, the opposite is true for many...Both sides lay a claim to the word adaptation...one side claims this is all it is and that is it...the other says it is evidence that a deer went into the water for ten minutes one day, twenty the next, and then before you knew it...PRESTO...fins...and a leftover pelvic bone...which is still useful by the way...sorry...I cannot buy it...
Originally posted by Barcs
Originally posted by bottleslingguy
I have a problem with eukaryotes and prokaryotes not having any ancesters.
I have a problem with the Cambrian explosion.
I have a problem with horse shoe crabs never changing.
I have a problem with whales "evolving" from a tiny deer.
I have a problem with humans "evolving" from physically robust creatures only 250,000 years ago and the first thing we do is make clothes.
I have a problem with humans developing and passing on defective genes that kill the child before the age of puberty like cystic fibrosis.
I have a problem with junk dna that has no function that we know of.
I have a problem with people who don't research anything, and aren't even willing to pick up a book or free DVD and learn, yet criticize people who spend their lives learning and studying. Offer your own alternative backed by evidence, if you don't agree with the science. Or at least point out in detail which parts you think are wrong. You are making nothing but generalizations based on no knowledge whatsoever of the subject.
I have a problem with gravity
I have a problem with the earth being round
I have a problem with the sun providing energy to sustain life on earth
LOL, the knowledge is out there. Educate yourself or forever be a slave to your own ignorance. It's up to you.edit on 26-10-2011 by Barcs because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by OLD HIPPY DUDE
reply to post by Nosred
Oh, but it is how science works. And as you said, "I am not your teacher"
So stop with your juvenile insults and do some good research reading..
You are aware how one gets their research accepted and published, It's called a "peer review".
You are aware that those who sit on review boards have had their research accepted and to accept an opposing or conflicting theory could do damage to their own research and cast doubt on their credibility.
Originally posted by steveknows
Actually testing shows that we have neanderthal DNA in us.
Originally posted by Nosred
Originally posted by jeichelberg
Well, I see a skink...I do not see anything different than a skink...sorry...There are all kinds of different animals...and species within families...I fail to see how this proves that at some point along the line, this skink will become anything else other than a skink....what do you suppose this skink will become...And there is nothing in that article indicating it will become something else...
I offered my view on what I believe to be the cause for biodiversity...it is simple...adaptation...both sides have their views on what started the whole shebang...Mine is a creator started it, the opposite is true for many...Both sides lay a claim to the word adaptation...one side claims this is all it is and that is it...the other says it is evidence that a deer went into the water for ten minutes one day, twenty the next, and then before you knew it...PRESTO...fins...and a leftover pelvic bone...which is still useful by the way...sorry...I cannot buy it...
Alas, we've reached the "sticking their fingers in their ears shouting 'lalala can't hear you'" stage.
The fact is that these Skinks have evolved into entirely separate species, that is the very definition of evolution. You can not deny this, scientists have observed the change. One species evolved and branched off into different species. That is evolution, like it or not.
Originally posted by OLD HIPPY DUDE
reply to post by Nosred
I am not bring God into this, you are .
Originally posted by OLD HIPPY DUDE
reply to post by Nosred
And you are not my mother or my God and your word is not law.
It does appear though that Wikipedia is your god of truth.
Originally posted by jeichelberg
You must have read very clearly, correct? Allow me to snippet...There are all kinds of different animals...and species within families..I wrote that very clearly in my reply to the photo...And the fact you would claim this is evolution, rather than simple adaptation to different demands place on the organism, is the fundamental argument...No one argues adaptation...No one is arguing they are still skinks...Now, when you get a skink that transforms, say...into a widgetpotamus...get back with me...
Originally posted by Nosred
Originally posted by steveknows
Actually testing shows that we have neanderthal DNA in us.
Of course we share neanderthal DNA, we're related. We share chimpanzee DNA as well. It doesn't make us the same species.
Originally posted by jeichelberg
reply to post by Nosred
And furthermore, I notice you conveniently left off any sort of cogent response to the rest of my post...I understand how difficult it must be for someone of your vast intellect to suffer the rest of us, the intellectually challenged individuals who have difficulty grasping the definitions of simple words like evolution and adaptation...frankly, I am quite pleased and astounded the name calling has ceased...
However, I would remind you that for those who have all of this intellect, it should be a relatively simple thing to be able to explain how/why a skink species is not a skink...
and why a deer who spends 10 minutes in water, then 20 the next, and then POOF, transforms into a whale...I believe a lot of DNA can be found to be shared across the entire spectrum of life as we know it...edit on 10/26/2011 by jeichelberg because: Clarity of response
I believe a lot of DNA can be found to be shared across the entire spectrum of life as we know it.
One of the strongest evidences for common descent comes from the study of gene sequences. Comparative sequence analysis examines the relationship between the DNA sequences of different species,[1] producing several lines of evidence that confirm Darwin's original hypothesis of common descent. If the hypothesis of common descent is true, then species that share a common ancestor will have inherited that ancestor's DNA sequence. They will have inherited mutations unique to that ancestor. More closely related species will have a greater fraction of identical sequence and will have shared substitutions when compared to more distantly related species.
The simplest and most powerful evidence is provided by phylogenetic reconstruction. Such reconstructions, especially when done using slowly evolving protein sequences, are often quite robust and can be used to reconstruct a great deal of the evolutionary history of modern organisms (and even in some instances such as the recovered gene sequences of mammoths, Neanderthals or T. rex, the evolutionary history of extinct organisms). These reconstructed phylogenies recapitulate the relationships established through morphological and biochemical studies. The most detailed reconstructions have been performed on the basis of the mitochondrial genomes shared by all eukaryotic organisms, which are short and easy to sequence; the broadest reconstructions have been performed either using the sequences of a few very ancient proteins or by using ribosomal RNA sequence.
Phylogenetic relationships also extend to a wide variety of nonfunctional sequence elements, including repeats, transposons, pseudogenes, and mutations in protein-coding sequences that do not result in changes in amino-acid sequence. While a minority of these elements might later be found to harbor function, in aggregate they demonstrate that identity must be the product of common descent rather than common function.
Originally posted by jeichelberg
reply to post by Nosred
Who denied that apes (the debate over placing Pan in the hominid strain is still open), are not related to man...As far as I am concerned, I am related to a fern...I believe that for a fact...
Originally posted by Nosred
Originally posted by jeichelberg
reply to post by Nosred
Who denied that apes (the debate over placing Pan in the hominid strain is still open), are not related to man...As far as I am concerned, I am related to a fern...I believe that for a fact...
Then what is your problem here? I'll ask this again: Are you sure you know what evolution is?
Originally posted by jeichelberg
I believe I have stated this may be a matter of semantics...I have a problem with understanding how a deer turns into a whale...and do not use my POOF or PRESTO as a matter of time...I do not believe it matters if you give it a billion years...a deer would not change into a whale...gradually or suddenly...