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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Praetorius
She did, I looked it up later.
As far as what Ellen White supposedly said,
You can look it up on the E.G.White Estate web site where they have a searchable data base.
I don't know about, "silly" but back then it was a real problem people worried about and thought all these people who did not have a chance to accept the Gospel were going to end up in eternal hell fire.
So, she said something she thought sounded better to her.
She contradicts herself in the example I gave on the SDA Church thread I started, where at one time she said that babies become like they were never born and then she seems to think if the parents (or maybe just one) go to heaven, then so will the baby.
There is an OT word, cherem, which the KJV translates sometimes as, utter destruction. It can be a way of giving things to The Lord, just by making them unusable by people. It is used in the story of Ahab and the king of Syria, where the prophet says that the king was supposed to be utterly destroyed. This just meant, killed.
Second death is only in Revelation, which I don't take literally, and could mean to me, going back to Hades.
I think you suffer from an OT fixation where everything demands a punishment. My advice to not think like that and to study forgiveness. There may be something like, a lack of reward.
I get that, you don't want to take the word of an unnamed person "at church". I was just throwing in the other bit as general information, how to find the quotes.
I'm not doubting you, I just always throw a 'supposedly' or 'allegedly' or some such onto something that I haven't verified myself - no offense intended.
I don't believe the unsaved will share in *any* of this, as the bible simply does not promise it to them.
Unsaved, is that a word? We have these neat little concepts because people want things tidy, but they are not necessarily true, because truth is messy.
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.