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reply posted on 16-9-2011 @ 11:53 AM by Nicolas Flamel
reply to post by muzzleflash


I don't think that anyone said that ALL dinosaurs had feathers, but some dinosaurs did have feathers:

more than twenty genera of dinosaurs, mostly theropods, have been discovered to have been feathered.


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I do think they were all warm blooded though, and some of their descendants are still here.


reply posted on 16-9-2011 @ 12:04 PM by muzzleflash
Originally posted by Nicolas Flamel
reply to post by muzzleflash


I don't think that anyone said that ALL dinosaurs had feathers, but some dinosaurs did have feathers:

more than twenty genera of dinosaurs, mostly theropods, have been discovered to have been feathered.


Link

I do think they were all warm blooded though, and some of their descendants are still here.


I won't argue against the warm-blooded claim, it makes perfect sense I agree.

And yes you are correct sir, about 20 of them were shown to have feathers, it was the transitional specimens as outlined in my prior post.

I was not yelling at you sorry, I was yelling at the guy who said that all of them had feathers. So I apologize for getting hot headed and not being more specific in my direction of that post. It was meant to debate with that one guy in particular, and I did not pick a fight with you for obvious reasons because you actually are doing research.

People are taking your OP out of context though, you have to admit. (This is due to pre-conceived notions getting in the way). There is also a lot of this "they all had feathers" going around lately and it's simply a half-truth at best. Only the transitional specimens begin to show this.


reply posted on 16-9-2011 @ 12:13 PM by muzzleflash
reply to post by Nicolas Flamel


You have to admit there is half a dozen comments of people claiming that 'all' dinosaurs were entirely bird like and feather covered...
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This is the fault of modern TV shows trying to pitch half-truths and misconstrue them. I have seen many of these shows they have become popular in the last few years.

The accurate ones will show it is transitional, but some of them are showing them as fully bird like and it's very disheartening.
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reply posted on 16-9-2011 @ 12:21 PM by Nicolas Flamel
reply to post by muzzleflash


With so many dinosaurs species, it's apparent that not all of them had feathers.

With regards to the mass media, one of the most famous dinosaur movies, Jurassic Park, got it wrong. The Raptors in that movie had no feathers when in reality they did. So it cuts both ways.


reply posted on 16-9-2011 @ 12:22 PM by muzzleflash
Originally posted by Nicolas Flamel
Originally posted by Haxsaw
nice find, but all the evolution crap is just nonsense, you have to have more faith than a creationist to believe in evolution in its entirity.


You are entitled to your opinion and religious beliefs. But what is the difference between creationism and the study of evolution?

To be a creationist, you have to have faith.

To be a evolutionist, you have to do meticulous and hard work at the university level. Any paper you try to publish will be ruthlessly analyzed by your peers and can make or break your career.

Maybe "God" is showing us the complexity of life on earth? People who seek out this complexity and the inter-relationships between life, past and present, become evolutionists or biologists. I still think anyone can believe in God while at the same time exploring the complexity of life in an analytical way.


Good points. However I would like to say that just like dinosaurs with feathers, creationism and evolution are similar in a few ways, as it is probably a mix of both.

Most evolutionists believe in the Big Bang, so it would be accurate to say they are a combination of creationist and evolutionist.

Also, most creationists believe that God created us so that we could learn about it's creation, so they are also a combination between creationist and evolutionist because they believe in the evolution of spirit.

It's a huge mix and I don't really see any absolutes here, it's all in the grey/gray zone.


reply posted on 16-9-2011 @ 12:24 PM by muzzleflash
Originally posted by Nicolas Flamel
reply to post by muzzleflash


With so many dinosaurs species, it's apparent that not all of them had feathers.

With regards to the mass media, one of the most famous dinosaur movies, Jurassic Park, got it wrong. The Raptors in that movie had no feathers when in reality they did. So it cuts both ways.


I agree.

The media has really screwed it up for paleontology and they did not depict the facts very accurately.

It's up to us to repair the damage they created.



reply posted on 16-9-2011 @ 12:27 PM by muzzleflash
reply to post by Nicolas Flamel


Now, about that sample of amber you showed us in the OP...

Has anyone placed a monetary value on it yet?

I would like to say it has to be worth over a million dollars at the auction at least. Hell, some establishments or collectors may pay more than that for this sample. Maybe upwards of 5 million $ US.

Maybe I am low-balling it, but that is only because the market in amber samples is pretty saturated and there are some really cheap ones floating around available today. The more rare a sample is, the higher it's value becomes significantly however.


reply posted on 16-9-2011 @ 12:34 PM by muzzleflash
Originally posted by Nicolas Flamel
Originally posted by marsbeatsmoon
According to this warm blooded/cold blooded is old world thinking. Dinosaurs could have been a combination of both...
endothermy


Very good point. I used the term warm-blooded to make it more user friendly and less technical. But you are right, life never ceases to amaze me.


It's fine, because we totally don't have a good understanding of this yet, but I also agree there are combination theories that seem to fit the bill the best for most popular dinosaur examples.

That would be a good thread to debate and research for though, so if one of you guys decide to make it I will come and help dig up some studies and discoveries that will aid in underlining this information. Something like this could prove difficult however, especially considering the amounts of information we would have to wade through.

I would expect that we may find out in the future it is another transitional issue with varying degrees.


reply posted on 16-9-2011 @ 12:36 PM by muzzleflash
Originally posted by Nicolas Flamel


Even stranger, some scientists, rightly or wrongly, are "activating" dormant dinosaur genes in living birds like chickens. They got them to grow teeth for example:

They say these animals will be destroyed while still embryos.

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This just adds more proof for the relationship between dinosaurs and birds.
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I have never heard of this until now. Thank you for the information Nic, this is incredibly fascinating. Jurassic Park here we come!

I just hope they kill it. Just imagine if stuff like this got loose and bred. (If it can even breed after being altered in such a manner).

But like Dr Ian Malcolm's Chaos Theory states :


"Life...uh....find's a way."
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