posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 08:46 PM
This will not be a hate thread, this will not be religious, this will not be biased this will not be used as a way to spread hate, this will not be
sexist, this will be a true discussion, understand?
If you can't follow those rules, you shouldn't post, and invite everyone actually PARTICIPATING, to ignore inflammatory posts also. I mean...
Aren't we tired of never being able to get an actual intelligent discussion without slinging POO?
I understand many of you are emotionally involved with a situation like this, please, use patience, and remove the bias. I have a bias in this issue
too, but this thread does not have to be bias. This is not why abortion is good, or otherwise...
This is about compromise. Even if the compromise is to listen to another's point of view without showering a possibly "ignorant"( look it up if u
think ignorant means stupid...) person with disrespect just because they havnt seen the same info as you, or statistics etc etc. If you want to point
out someone is wrong, show them why, this can be done without names, and maybe you will just show them information they haunt come across. Again, this
goes much smoother when done respectfully, and doesn't end up with pointless egotistical knee-jerk responses.
Don't just state one of the talking points as if that statement alone stands by itself. Add substance, add why this point is so important without
belittling the other (if any) posters. This could earn respect from the same people that just looking for a reason to demonize their fellow man just
because his opinion differs. This isn't the place, hopefully this is the one and only abortion thread where this ACTUALLY stays civil
Note, a differing opinion is not always an inflammatory remark...
I would also like to add for those with a creative imagination, these are a random order, just because pro is first, anti is not any less important
and vice versa
Now, the reasons FOR abortion. (post any that I missed, and I will gladly edit it in)
-rape, incest, etc
-harm to the mother very possible
-fiscally unable to cope with a child
-emotionally,(or because of age) unable to cope with a child
-pure inconvenience/irresponsibility (this is the minority, understand? This will not be a "they just want to ignore their consequences, controlling
women, etc etc thread... Please, I still have faith in a portion of ATS
-no government interference
-your body your choice
There is also the "men don't have a say" but this doent belong in either category. I'd gladly debate someone on this (and still admit there are
exceptions) but you make that choice when you, (no, not sex) decide to get to know, or ignore in some cases, the beliefs of your woman. Is that fair?
If you want your baby and the woman doesn't, all morals aside, you chose a bad woman. (not saying a woman who will abort is wrong, but picking one
that won't listen to you, or take you into account as a father is inherently a bad choice, no? Moving on
Now against ( same as above )
-life begins at conception
-this allows no accountability of irresponsible actions
-if that life bloomed we could have the next Einstein, or hawking
-if u can't afford, put up for adoption etc
-you have a right to your body, not the fetuses
Those are some of the most common talking points, as I stated, I may have missed some. Contribute respectfully and we can have a civilized
conversation. be "cynical," and most likely be ignored if you don't make a valid point. Emotion will pop out, but let's not make it a habit.
Become emotionally entwined in a debate and there is a very very good chance you may miss something of value, does anyone agree?
I am very leery of starting a subject like this, just to have it potentially flamed, spat on, and used to bicker uselessly. That is always how it
seems to go. Let's see that respect, that dignity, and humility that is supposed to be on these boards. Like I said, I have an opinion, but that
doesn't mean it won't change with a well worded and justified response, or that I even have a right to try to preach my beliefs
This is a discussion, if I can't get even a minority to respect that there are millions of perspectives out there, and yours is just as important as
another's, I'll delete the op because there is enough hate in this subject as it is, I don't want a part of that.
Now can we please just keep this huge, "don't be a prick" disclaimer in mind please?
Lots of expectations, I know, but I am tired of reading junk threads, or immediately biased threads on one of the most important social issues we
have, ok? anti abortion can attempt to cram info down people's throats just as much as pro abortion people can, after all, we are all people, one
side or the other
Now,, back to the myriad of perspectives...