Where Is The Otherside Of A Universe That Never Ends?, page 3
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reply posted on 5-9-2011 @ 02:44 PM by Solomons
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Not really, the egg came first, laid by the ancestor of chickens, or something along those lines. As to the question the OP raised, i do not think there is an end to the universe/universes...impossible to try and wrap your head around such an idea simply because our pattern seeking brains tend to clog up at such a thought, but i believe it to be so. Same principle of energy cannot be created or destroyed i guess, it simply is.
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reply posted on 5-9-2011 @ 03:21 PM by Illustronic
Originally posted by Solomons
reply to post by Sailor Sam


Not really, the egg came first


The egg obviously came first.

When your right brain detaches from your left brain you will understand there is no end to the universe, of course at that point you would be unable to report back to us your findings.

If the egg broke, it became finite, if the egg hatched, it became infinite.


reply posted on 5-9-2011 @ 04:11 PM by Ophiuchus 13
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blocula, first congrats on a deep thought out question. It sorta recharges the minds when many of all KINDS within this universal energy containment try to evaluate this location fully.

What's ironic is Earth gets all this talk of it being a DOOM prison DOOM smh. I know you heard this conspiracy befor if not then 1 has shared, and how HUMANS ENERGY is so low in this universal HOME shared by many that they sometimes are called sheeple due them not knowing the full TRUTH of this 3dimensional location Earth in which is called home. Deep. Its amazing how many ENERGIES GROW in what are considered fluids/liquids/hyper accelerated plasma etc... Just look @ how some scientist seek a big bang*theory (heat heh?) So 1 tends to view it more like a fluid type to set up internally. With that as anothermember posted if you launched a probe up up up and couldn't fully understand how the launch location fit in into the entire set up the original location of launch can end up above where it started. Again deep. R would view there being access port to intra the universe interior. Now these who can would have to be given this or taught or bred this from a HIGHER INTELLIGENCE what some would consider creator. And any immature energies still developing within may yes encounter what they would observe as a wall barrier containment. And they may push thru it, but due to what some on Earth would call density or positive negative maturing energies they may go thru but if it not when universally accepted they may end up going thru and re entering the point or little Universe they forced passage the.... So prison? school? hey maybe thru SPIRITUAL cycles development YOU Gain these secrets in which your soul seeks. Like i said nice thought keeps the conscious growing.

NAMASTE
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reply posted on 5-9-2011 @ 04:31 PM by OmegaLogos
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Explanation: Uhmmm

1stly it may be a confusion of terminology... The Universe is LIMITED to what we can OBSERVE and that is mediated by the speed of light!

Beyond that there IS the Cosmos! Please do NOT confuse the two! Inflation during the Big Bang means there are bits of EXISTENCE that we can and never will be able to observe directly.

2ndly it may be a confusion on what is local and what is not!

At the Big Bang singularity ... it was all that is all in one spot and we can say that everything was local to itself!

What was beyond this was what ever was nonlocal to itself and due to quantum mechanical rules already in existence there was inherent uncertainty to what was truely local and what wasn't! ie nobody knows just exactly how big <1planks length is.

It was a standing wave that was in superposition of all states local and nonlocal. This wave had nodes at 0% and at 100% of its wavelength.

It was self aware, as all states self observe, and this forced it to collapse itself to a more certain state towards total entropy! It quantum mechanically tunneled to do this.

The non-localness is subsumed with the local reality and is the substrate for it as everything starts at 0% which in ISOLATION is non-local to everything but in totality is inside of locality ... its called a hole within the whole!

Personal Disclosure: The otherside is on the inside and its the 0% on mark on whatever we decide to measure!
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reply posted on 5-9-2011 @ 09:34 PM by Sweetmystery
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Hi Blocula,

When I was a little girl, I used to think about this the same way too--- and because I was still a child, I didn't get too hung up on the intellectual part of it. I would simply 'see' how there had to be something on the other side...but that if you reached the end of that, and climbed over it, there must be something, there cannot be nothing--- Ok, so one day it hit me so strong and the Wonder of It has never left me ever since--- I realized that that there had to be "something" that came from no-thing--- and that had to be for certain, because its impossible to have any thing without it comeing from something--- so this Original Source is sourceless, this First Cause, is causeless, This First Isness, had no beginning, and that means it has no end (it could not end if it did not begin) So, suddenly in great Wonder I realized that God is the name for this Source that has no source to It----and "God" is just a name for this extraordinary impossible mystery that we cannot grasp. Yet that Source that has no source must, by all means, be All That Is. This is why we came up with this idea of "God" in the first place, although that word has gotten really messed up, like people think God is big ruler on a cloud...But, no not at all, God is more like this Mystery that is even beyond our ability to comprehend, that is what makes it God as it is so scared and unbelievable and Awe Inspiring---My good friend,William Samuel, wrote a lot about metaphysical things, and he called this Uncaused cause "Godhead All" meaning that everything comes from Its Isness, Its Being, and everything is included within Its Being, and there nothing out side of this Being because this Isness has Always Been, and cannot go anywhere else, there is no other Where of It, It is the Whereness of Being ---and there is no other, no otherness to Its ALL encompassing totality---It IS Every thing, and It is beyond even infinite---It is beyond anything and everything we could ever think or imagine and YET all we think and imagine is happening 'because' of this Beingness that has no beginning and no end and Is All That Is--- It cannot have 'otherness' because It is the only thing that really exists and Its exists AS everything and all the universes, and all the bubbles colliding and all the universes of other dimensions and it includes time and space and past and future of but none of things are really 'any thing' real, because nothing can 'compete' with Something that is All and Something that no one can ever touch or comprehend or know--- Ok, I am exhausted now too! Yikes! What a great thread, I thought I was the only one who ever thought about all that---But, as I say, if you think about REALITY as Godhead All, then it helps to 'see' that God is just another name for ONE Without Another---

Some believe it is Infinite Divine Mind, or One Consciousness That One is All and Always was and Always will be.

Therefore, its quite lovely too, because God is the Warp and Woof of everything, we don't have much to worry about or be afraid of!! Its very cool to see this! The Life becomes joyful and rich and wondrous and meaningful in very deep incomprehensible ways--- I am just sort of always delighted with Life and I don't too concerned with stuff----I mean this Godhead Being is really Love in the Ultimate way, because really It is All One, Single, Alone, Only, Total, Whole, Complete In Is Beingness That Is the Isness of All That Is.

Even a big bang has to come from Something that "lights the fuse" --- so There IS Something without a source and I call it God. The ancients used to wonder these things too, and they called it The Ineffable---That is a great name for "God" or Totality or That Which Is.

That's my take on it! Love, SweetMystery
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reply posted on 6-9-2011 @ 12:07 AM by CeeRZ
reply to post by blocula


This is one of the reasons I am no longer religious. It is a question no religion can answer. What is beyond "space"? And don't say outer space.... because then what is beyond that? And that? And that? Is it just that our puny minds can't comprehend infinity?

And SweetMystery - you just about wrapped up my beliefs in a nutshell. I am not religious, but it's near impossible to not believe in something bigger. I won't say God, because that's just a title for something we don't understand. Guess I don't feel the need to believe in beards and bellies because that limits what I do believe into something that is so much more.
Sorry - not turning this into a religious thread, just more expanding on the "expansion" of the universe and how it affected my entire life.
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reply posted on 6-9-2011 @ 01:02 AM by Sweetmystery
reply to post by CeeRZ


Hi CeeRZ yes, I understand what you are saying;

I think the whole of society everywhere will eventually come to realize that religions were created to control the people, just like secular governments --- its the same, just under different guises. There is Something Remarkable about Life and there is a kind of First Reality or Unseen Principle which has nothing to do with religions and yet It is Such a Strange and Incomprehensible Mystery --- That makes it 'sacred' to me, profound is sacred, something no 'man' can control or get hold of or change or find, or capture and put in a cage---Some thing humans cannot alter or blow up or kill or get to, or even grasp mentally, Something far beyond the human and yet What ever It is, it right here, because It is being all this--- That is Something very Beautiful and Marvelous and Unbound and Free ---Maybe if humans let go of their religions and looked at the deeper Reality that is an Unchanging Presence wherein all things change---We would not need governments and religions and we would tune into our Divine connection with Mystery, we'd have a New way of Life on Earth. Some say that because this Unseen Presence is Here, and there is nothing that does not come from Its Beingness that it makes us all the same Self in a way, one self or part of One Being, makes us That Same One, so we would not all be hateful and divided by labels and a false sense of separation that makes for wars and all the rest of the foolishness of human society. That is why I love a thread like this, it helps us to brake out of the old view and maybe we can move to New Views of Reality by just these constant nudges to wake up to some very amazing Truth that would dissolve the lies just by discovering a Living Fact---Who could control us with lies and fear if we know the Truth and Lived closer to Reality and more pure uncontaminated Understanding.

I don't think this gets off track of the thread, I think there is something perfectly related between space and cosmos and our inner thoughts that take us to glimpses of edges of the universe and Something Divine---as long we don't get it mixed up with bibles and religions and ideologies and all that--- It has got to explored at the deep level -- We are braking free from the old false views--- Maybe in these days we are all the New Explorers finding the New Land of Real Truth, uncovering the lies and leaving the old world of false authorities, controlling governments and religions all behind. I hope so!

Thanks for this thread all of you, SweetMystery
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