Connecting the Dots: Titanic, 9/11, Banksters, NWO, Illuminati, and the Phoenix, page 2
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reply posted on 4-9-2011 @ 02:28 AM by Skewed
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I would not make your final decisions based off of the floor plan and the triple screw reference. Having been on a few military ships, I can say that it is very easy to lose your bearings and get turned around.

However, there are markings to help people navigate the interior of the ship, once you get the hang of it, it is rather simple and you will never get lost. I did not see these markings in the documentary. Now, maybe at that time they did not use the markings and this is the reason for the use of them now, the documentary failed to include them or both and some people did not understand how to read the markings. There could be other reasons also.

Triple screw. A screw is what the things are that make the ship move are called, a propeller. Seeing a reference to triple screw on a blueprint of a ship that had three propellers is certainly feasible.

This ship, however, did have a few design flaws.
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reply posted on 4-9-2011 @ 02:53 AM by MaryStillToe
reply to post by Afterthought



S & F

However, the 3 men who died on the Titantic were likely just as evil as the men who wanted to create the Federal Reserve. No more and no less. They probably didn't want to sacrifice their individual power for the greater evil plan and they were taken out. You see people doing evil things all the time, never realizing they are just a pawn in an evil scheme who will get killed or sold out when their purpose is served. There is probably so much more to the world's richest and most powerful than we'll ever know. Strauss-Kahn, Murdoch, Madoff, Gadafi... wonder how these current people fit into the on going scheme of things.


reply posted on 4-9-2011 @ 10:50 AM by TWILITE22
reply to post by Afterthought

I have always wondered how do we know what stories from the Titanic were true?I not talking about first hand accounts from the survivors,I'm talking about the the stories of how Benjamin Guggenheim died?Who gave the account of his words that he would die like a gentleman?I mean it's quite plausible it happened that way,but then again if we are talking about conspiracy could it be possible that could have happened another way?


If this is a conspiracy,maybe some people on the Titanic were there to make sure Guggenheim didn't survive,as well as the Strausses?If I were to make up a story on how someone of such class,money and was highly respected,I would definitely make up some noble death.What I'm trying to ask is could they have died another way,could someone there have made sure that theses people opposed to the Federal reserve never made it off the ship and was murdered,so they made up this story of heroic death?I know this is really far reaching but it's always been a thought because of the admirable way they died.
Probably not,but I just wanted to throw it out there to see if anyone else may have thought that it was possible.


reply posted on 8-9-2011 @ 01:38 PM by Afterthought
First, I'd like to thank everyone who contributed to this thread with your thoughts and opinions.

From reading the replies, it seems as though most have appreciated and do share my opinion that the sinking of the Titanic is, at the most, a suspicious event even if it didn't go down quite the way I explained in my OP. Maybe the ship's corridors weren't intentionally designed to confuse the passengers. I tried studying the blueprints I found, but my eyes started to cross since I couldn't get them to zoom in as well as I would've liked. Anyways, I certainly didn't expect everyone to agree with my theory as this would've led to a very boring thread.
Needless to say, I still believe that the sinking was by design as well as many other events that we're seeing today.

For those who are still interested in how the Titanic, 9/11, and the banksters are tied together as a means of bringing about a New World and the rising of the phoenix from the ashes, I would like to delve into the Jesuit part of this conspiracy.

The following are a few of the websites with information I found regarding the Jesuit agenda and how this group may be tied into events that have led to many, many deaths and tighter controls upon the people:


The Jesuits have designs to take control of the entire Earth, in order to bring everyone under the authority of "god" on Earth, the Pope. This theme is seen in the movie Star Wars, but it is not the "dark side" that is to be feared - it is the dreaded JEDI, led by their "Jesuit General", YODA. The "spiritual exercises" of the JEDI knights reflect the mind-control techniques at work in real-life Jesuitism. (see link to book, Codeword: Barbelon for perhaps the best book on the subject of Jesuits ).

www.fossilizedcustoms.com...

This website here has a rather interesting introduction:

I would urge anyone to read the book "The Jesuits" by Malachi Martin, a respected Catholic theologian, and writer, an ex-Jesuit himself.

Then they could see how the Jesuit Order employs its conspiratorial tactics to enslave humanity!

Yes, they do operate with conspiracy. They agitate and lead in revolutions. They infiltrate and undermine. They even murder other Catholics if they stand in the way of their agenda.

They are fashioned originally on a Military Order – and have the aide of the Western world’s oldest religio-political force behind them – the Vatican.

www.mail-archive.com...@listserv.aol.com/msg40932.html

Sure, this is a Wikicompany link, but still a fascinating read about 9/11, the Vatican, and the Jesuits.
wikicompany.org...:Vatican_&_Jesuits

And this website is another interesting read:

The Jesuits’ CFR is extremely dangerous to the continued existence of the American Republic. A few patriots like Chester Ward and President Kennedy rejected their malicious plans and fought their agenda. Kennedy paid for his disobedience to the Jesuits with his life. Some of the past CFR members who were either Jesuits or Jesuit pawns to do their bidding are Dwight D. Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, Adlai Stevenson, Hubert Humphrey, and George McGovern. Current members of the Jesuit CFR include Federal Reserve Bank chairman Alan Greenspan, Congressmen Newt Gingrich and Richard Gephardt, both presidents George Herbert Walker Bush and his son, George Walker Bush, Vice president Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Supreme Court justice Sandra Day O’Connor, Joseph Lieberman, and John Chafee. (Chafee was the man who introduced gun laws after Waco, remember?) Bill Clinton, of course, is a member of the CFR.

www.pacinst.com...

Quite a good blog write up titled "Bush Appoints Another Jesuit Catholic World Bank Chief"
www.rense.com...

And last, but not least:
"Supreme Court Furthers Jesuit-Nazi/Fascist Agenda for U.S."
pepehateme.wordpress.com...

So, considering that the Titanic conspiracy alludes to the idea that Captain Smith may have been a Jesuit and was dutifully sinking the Titanic because the Jesuits charged him with this deadly, suicidal task might not be that far fetched after all. The Jesuits are also believed to be linked with 9/11, the assasination of John F. Kennedy, the Vatican, and the banks.

Is it that extraordinary to believe that the Jesuits' control may have been jump started by the sinking of the Titanic? Was it indeed a mass-ive blood sacrifice designed to solidify their control?

Again, I welcome all opinions and viewpoints equally and will be interested in any further evidence that is offered no matter which side of the coin it falls on.


reply posted on 10-9-2011 @ 04:56 PM by Sphota
Just to play devil's advocate for the OP, while I too would think this to be an over-the-top, elaborate way to 'off' a few inconvenient people, I have to wonder...Many here have said there would have been more convenient ways of doing it with a higher probability of success. However, out of the context of an unreachable boat, how else could the three richest men in the world be killed without suspicion of foul-play? It is interesting that JP Morgan owned the parent company of the ship.

The other thought I have is regarding the semblances between the literary prescience of Titan and the actual story of the Titanic. Was the book a popular one, or obscure? If it was obscure, it may have been an ideal plot summary for such an exercise in contrived conspiracy. I suppose, if you were as insanely rich and sociopathic as the Bankers and Robber Barons, you would probably come up with all sorts of elaborate "fun and games".

Also, I think everything is an experiment, whether intentional or not. That is, every new disaster, whether wholly manufactured, fostered and promoted, or totally coincidental allows for the opportunity to study the various biological, geological and social sciences. If you sit around in your arm chair all day, what more could be interesting than discovering new patterns and theories, even if it results in the deaths of your fellow man who you don't care about anyway. So, it can easily blur the line and I can see why - even though I find this story hard to swallow - it becomes hard not to see everything as a conspiracy and not just a coincidence. Mostly because every disaster has a major opportunity for gain for many people, independent of whether it was planned or not.

So was this fortunate happenstance for JP Morgan, or deliberate conspiracy. It really doesn't matter as to the current situation, right?


reply posted on 10-9-2011 @ 05:17 PM by MasterGemini
reply to post by Afterthought



Joe Biden the Vice President of the United States of America is a big time with Jesuits

Obama’s Jesuit Connections Surface
www.sodahead.com...


No wonder Edmund Burke wrote that the Jesuits are “an infectious ‘plague’ requiring ‘the precautions of the most severe quarantine.’ “

Even Pope Gregory IX had to admit: “The Jesuit foxes have various faces, but they all hang together by their tails.”

Enough of that.. Lets see what the author of Codeword Barbelon reveals about Obama’s Jesuit foxes:

“Obama’s Chicago mentor” is “Gregory Galluzzo – a ‘former’ Jesuit priest….” [Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor and featured writer for the Pope's American neo-fascist Executive Intelligence Review, Webster Tarpley, mentions Galluzzo in his book, Barack H. Obama: The Unauthorized Biography.]
“Obama’s Chief Speechwriter, Jon Favreau, was Jesuit-trained.”
“Obama’s Senior Military and Foreign Policy Advisor, Maj. Gen. J. Scott Gration, was Jesuit-trained.”
“Obama’s Deputy Communications Director, Dan Pfeiffer, was Jesuit-trained.”


Moscow Jesuit Celebrates Ash Wednesday Service with Vice President
www.jesuit.org...



Joe Biden’s son was Jesuit-trained at Georgetown University and is paid to lobby for the Jesuit University of Scranton. Joe Biden was also given an honorary degree from the Jesuit University of Scranton (1979) and from the Jesuit Order’s St. Joseph’s University in Philadelphia (1981).


Boogey Man
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reply posted on 12-9-2011 @ 10:18 AM by Afterthought
reply to post by MasterGemini



Thanks for posting that information about Biden. Fascinating stuff since there's a video of him admitting that he's a Zionist.

(In case it didn't embed corrrectly: www.youtube.com...)

I'm wondering if there's a connection between the Jesuits and Zionists.
Are they one in the same or two groups working towards the same goals?


reply posted on 1-2-2012 @ 03:26 AM by IrnBruFiend
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Titanic turned out to be a conspiracy; this one does appear to have information pointing in that direction. One of the most intriguing things about Titanic is the Californian vessel; another JP Morgan owned ship just 9 miles away that the survivors reported seeing after the ship sank! You can watch the raw footage on YouTube, and many of them report seeing this ship not far in the distance that lay idle and didn't respond. This ship did nothing to help the survivors and sailed right off once the ship sank. Sort of reminds me of the cheering Israelis who were arrested on 9/11, and let go by the police under mysterious circumstances. I think the Californian was there to ensure the Titanic went down.

The Carpathia was the ship that saved the survivors, which was around 60 miles away from the accident and not owned by JP Morgan. I think the Californian is an elephant in the living room pointing to a conspiracy - most likely a plot to ensure minimal opposition to the Federal Reserve in 1913 by killing off the richest people at the time who are in a position to object. In some ways, the story itself does appear to have a fairytale like quality to it, so I'm not surprised there was a book written before the disaster which pretty much word for word outlines what happened to the Titanic! Somebody probably got the idea from that book, a sort of blueprint of what they would orchestrate and sell to the public.

Whether or not there were explosives on board who knows. Perhaps Bruce Ismay was in on it too? Seeing as he was the director of White Star Line at the time and the most high profile male survivor. Still have many unanswered questions; however, reasonably certain this was a conspiracy.
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