Predators with Ph.D.s

Read that locked thread before commenting on this one, if you say any of the controvertial things already mentioned there again here im sure this thread will also get the review lock.

My opinions on this are wellc overed in there already.

That sed, why there is an official conference on this at all i do not know.

You offend a crime you know is wrong (regardless of its position as a mential illness), you are either locked up for knowing that full well, or sent ot a mental home and drugged up 24/7 because you didnt understand the law or your urges.

Originally posted by 547000
A sexually liberal society will allow children to consent to whoever they please. You can't blame them; they're merely following the philosophy of sexual liberalization. In the future the same way we negatively speak out against those who don't think all is right with homosexuality we will with pedophilia. Animals also engage in incest, and since we follow the rules of animals that will be accepted too someday. Not today, not tomorrow, but some time in the future. Watch as our values become updated in the future and we are seen as old-fashioned prudes and bigots against people who are born pedophiles.

A sexually free society will not necessarily subscribe to these beliefs. Even liberals are not always liberal with the sexuality...trust me on that one. I have a couple of ex's who will prove that point, and regarding the animals...
they are sort of programmed differently than we are. Some glitch along the way gave us all manner of forethought and intelligence they do not possess and we use that to set up a society that is in the eyes of a majority of us, ideal. It doesn't rely purely on instinct like animals but prudence and discretion are practiced and in grained. Otherwise you go back to the old days when siblings and children were not considered off limits within the family. Taboo? Yes but perfectly legal. We get better with age in many ways that are not immediately evident. Civilization is a work in progress. It is far from perfect. I am just catching on to the fact that pedophiles and child trafficking is as big a business as guns and drugs. I think a lot of us are.

It is after all beyond the bounds of imagination for most people. You do not consider these things happen if you are decent and ecpect that for the most part everyone else is too. There are those and like I said this is new information coming to light, the trafficking, Chinese Children vanishing in Sweden someone trying to snatch a bunch of Hatian children, the wide spread and advanced child trafficking rings working throughout Europe and Asia discovered in Turkey, our own Franklin Scandal. Children are sweet and sweeter still to some. Forget slaves when you can raise one of your own rather than oppress someone you can train them to be ..."what ever you want them to be" and when you are done with them...well if they never existed in the first place.

Sexually liberal. That is funny in a way when I realize and consider this is something that has gone on for at least a few thousand years, sort of under the wire. Liberal has noting to do with it. It is EVIL and who can afford what it must take to buy a human? Who is the proprietor of this money, owner of this wealth? As you know everything is supply and demand and if there were no demand of children to molest and enslave there would be no supply nor move to make pedophilia acceptable.

You must know too a majority or the poor happen to be Democrats. They can't afford to be Republicans at this time (but the Good old American Dream and Capitalism should get them there one day...another joke) and you may as well lump Liberals in there too. So your liberals, with some few notable exceptions, are going to be your poor.

How many of those you think are buying up people ... children on the black market?


The RICH fuel this child trafficking and pedophilia business. Among those are the most depraved and dangerous and without restraint. They in fact actually do subscribe to a different set of laws as the rest of us. When you do not see a large portion of the human race as equals but lesser creatures who are on a sub level below you, and when you view others as just one small step up above the beasts, you begin to think you have a natural right to subjugate them. You can do what you want to the children as they are just smaller and more delectable forms of the beasts...like puppies, so adorable and desirable. It is just what you do.

I went to the B4U-ACT website and it seems that the aim of the organization is to get these people help BEFORE they molest someone. I in NO WAY condone anyone in any way shape or form having a sexual or romantic relationship with a child. I DO think, however, if someone is cognizant enough of the fact that they have a problem they need to have some way to get help, which it seems that this is what the organization does. I didn't see anything on their website that would indicate that they CONDONE this behavior but are only trying to provide an non-threatening avenue for this people to get the help they need. Don't we want these people to get help and NOT molest children? Or would we rather have them hiding in plain sight? That, to me, is a far scarier option.

Originally posted by 547000
A sexually liberal society will allow children to consent to whoever they please. You can't blame them; they're merely following the philosophy of sexual liberalization. In the future the same way we negatively speak out against those who don't think all is right with homosexuality we will with pedophilia. Animals also engage in incest, and since we follow the rules of animals that will be accepted too someday. Not today, not tomorrow, but some time in the future. Watch as our values become updated in the future and we are seen as old-fashioned prudes and bigots against people who are born pedophiles.

I couldn't have said it better, we have allowed society to erode to such a degree that we only have ourselves to blame. Liberals will never see the errors in their way of thinking, it has ushered in a new age of lunacy where everything that we believe in, all our morals will be out the window.

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this is just disgusting. Homosexuality can be moral because of the two ADULTS with ADULT minds with consent. children have no desire for sex. this is just wrong.

Edit: i'm playing on the fact that heterosexuality and homosexuality are a way of life. these pedos believe that their fetish is the same.

So if two adults consent to have a duel with pistols, is it moral?

Just wondering because you guys are saying that if two adults consent to something, it's morally appropriate.

Two guys having a duel isn't hurting anyone else. They both agree to any repercussions that happen, etc.

It's just not a good reasoning to base the predication upon. Sorry, find a better idea.

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I would argue that yes, such pistol duel may be moral. Also, sex is very different than duel with pistols, it is not harmful for the involved. Duel with water pistols is a better analogy in this case..

Originally posted by muzzleflash
So if two adults consent to have a duel with pistols, is it moral?

The laws to protect the country as well and indeviduals.

A dual is illegal because whoever wins is a murderer, even if the guy he shot signed a forum saying "is i die dont be harse to the other guy"

Dead people done pay taxes remeber, those wounded, scarred or damaged are subject to care and hostpital, and thats not free.

The system works as long as no ones oppressed, pedos think they are and so i do. Though im happy with that, they arnt. boo hoo.

A pedo can live their entire life having thoughts, if they do nothing at all about it, no one knows and the persons free to live their life (providing the doing nothing about it bit) I do not care is that makes them unhappy.

Im sure theres plenty of people i would love to deliver a punch in the face too, but i know thats not the way to deal with things and im not going to prison for it either. Simply really.

Mental issue or not, you offend, you are a criminal.

reply to post by 547000

Enough with this "you can't compare homosexuality with pedophilia" nonsense.

So, do you want to criminalise homosexuality, too? Or is that baseless slippery slope argument all you have?

Originally posted by Partygirl
I never painted "all academics as pedophiles." That is a straw-man argument. Nice try but no.

I never claimed they were "gathering to rally support for child molestation ." Nope. That's you putting words into my mouth,

And yet that's exactly what you implied:

You know if this is what university is, I'm glad I didn't go. More than glad -- proud. It's like they are laughing at you, they hook you on student loan debt (which can't be discharged) and then once you are there you learn all this evil, useless stuff from people who think pedophiles are good.

If Partygirl was in charge of things these "elite institutions" would be boarded up and then re-opened as homeless shelters and libraries for the public! The "professors" who are like a cancer rotting the once-proud Western tradition should be tried for putting children in danger ! ! !

www.americanthinker.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

You accuse me of saying things I did not say and then insult me for things I never said. Nice. I find the strawman one of the weakest and most pathetic of argumentative tactics.

Just as I find a poorly researched thread with an obvious end-game to obfuscate and promote bias to be the most pathetic and weakest of thread-writing tactics.

What is going on here is that they are talking about de-stigmatizing pedophilia on an academic/formal level, which is the first step to de-stigmatizining it in wider ways in general society. Obviously they aren't there holding a "rally." Only a complete idiot would think that just because they aren't there waving banners, doesn't mean the actions they take are not going to have effects that are going to be very pro-pedophile in the real world. In fact what they are doing is much more effective than any "rally to support child molestors." What they are doing is tinkering with the medical and legal definitions to make the world more pedophile-friendly.

Moreover, "if you'd bothered to read" (your words to me) the list of assertions in the article, I think you would find many of them very, very pro-pedophile in terms of the actual impact that their widespread adoption would have.

Independent or conspiracy based media outlets such as naturalnews.com and others are often so riddled with lies and over-dramatsiations of events that I may as well be reading MSM. I did my own research into the matter - something you should have been doing yourself before this little rampage of yours. Americanthinker.com seems no better than others I have seen. How can anybody with any ability to think critically not see that an article beginning with:

The latest offensive against morality, decency, and sanity in America has been launched by a pro-pedophilia group and several academics who openly advocate for the normalization and legalization of pedophilia.

Is not an article pushing any sort of objective agenda is beyond me. Their only reference that I could see was a list of 'highlights' of the symposium from a catholic league organisation - because I'm sure they're an authority on the matter.

In reference to your bit on 'de-stigmatising' paedophilia on a n academic and formal level - again, no. You are confusing yourself. On an academic and formal level, the psychologists who specialise in the area attempt only to delineate and better understand it as a mental disorder. The public view that 'child molestation is bad', is not something anyone is attempting to remove. The group hosting the event, B4U_ACT, do not even attempt this. One of their goals is to educate people on the disorder, but not to promote it as being an okay thing to do.

If you read the website of B4U_ACT, you'll see that nothing the do or say is in anyway pro-paedophlia based. They are a group of people who work to source mental health services available to people who self-identify as being attracted to minors before they do harm. They are not giving them a pat on the back (subliminal or otherwise) and telling them it's ok to feel like this, that they do not have some kind of problem or that it's society's fault they cannot have sexual relations with children. Neither B4U_ACT, nor the academics in attendance at their symposium, were there to voice pro-paedophilia arguments.

Even ignoring their website, if you read the biographies of the key note speaker, Fred Berlin, you'll see that he is not supporting of paedophilia. He is a psychologist who specialises in sex offences. A list of his publications will in fact show that he treats sexual deviations as just that - deviations, or a mental disorder in need of treating.

Please keep your remarks less personal and stawman-ish in the future. Thanks.

Only if you'll promise to actually do research in the future. Thanks.

Originally posted by Partygirl

Predators with Ph.D.s

www.americanthinker.com

On August 17 of this year, the pro-pedophilia group B4U-ACT sponsored an event in Baltimore attended by researchers, professors, mental health professionals, and "minor-attracted persons" (MAP, a euphemism for "adults who crave sex with children"). These individuals endorse the adult molestation of children, consider this sexual perversion as normal, and advocate for the declassification of pedophilia as a mental illness by the American Psychiatric Association (APA).

(visit the link for the full news article)

These are the End-Times. Obviously the God or Gods who created Adam and Eve in eden are going to put up with this much longer. "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?" Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters."

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power."
2nd Thessalonians 1:8


"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God ; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof : from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth : men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further : for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
— II Timothy 3: 1-9


"And there was war in heaven : Michael and his angels fought against the dragon ; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not ; neither was their place found any more in heaven."
— Revelation 12:7-8

reply to post by Partygirl


Oh yes partygirl something is definitely going on, and don't be surprised that those who want to change things both for good or evil end up being attracted to positions in this society were they can do exactly that.

And why are the academics from these ivory-tower elite academic institutions all involved in it? What is this, some kind of conspiracy by child molesters to infiltrate social norms? Illuminati satanists? Or just cultural relativists losing touch with reality (and endangering millions of children!! )

All of the above. But It takes all kinds and there will be all kinds.


If pedos want help in changing or learning to control there way and urges that should be offered to them. But this pedo as being normal or socially acceptable thing has been done in the past by many other civilizations and it always leads to many problems and troubles, so it should be both a mental illness and a crime.

And as so it should be first treated as a mental illness before it becomes a crime, really changing social norms or what you call something to become more in the norm is just social programming. And all of society and societies are all social programming, so that is not the case being argued.

The case is that pedos as the the norm or even acceptable should not be socially excepted, because of many reason. And if anybody wanted to find those reason just look at the past and past societies were pedos and children used for sexual exploitation was socially acceptable and you will see that in pretty much all cases it lead to bad places, and much heartache and drama.

Really sorry but I don't think it is acceptable or should be a social norm no matter how much some want it to be both on the top of the pyramid and the bottom, though with the magic of social engineering it could be done. And it wont really be all that hard to accomplish considering the sheep like nature of most of humanity, but I don't think that it should be allowed to happen or to be accomplished.

I am all for people doing what the hell they want, and I truly don't care if they even were into bestiality and all kinds of other things, but seeing as humans are just animals I think it would be best to stick to something that would not cause so much headaches and heartaches, and in the long run lead to lots of drama to say the least. And so the it is time to consider that some behaviors and people should not be accepted as being in the norm or at all.

Let the future entail what it will. Because at the end if they did not want it as such it never would be as such.

But yes partygirl in a world of idolaters the top of the pyramid is always looked on as being right, or in the know, things become so much more predictable. As above and so bellow they are incapable of doing anything without first there idols giving them the green light, and so we have all these silly games and circle jerks going on all pandering to there idiocies. Because they are unable to accept there own deeds or pay for there own actions, and so there must always be something that they can put the blame on, hence there idols are always in the right, and in the know.

You can expect more nutty things coming down the wire.

Originally posted by newcovenant

A sexually free society will not necessarily subscribe to these beliefs. Even liberals are not always liberal with the sexuality...trust me on that one. I have a couple of ex's who will prove that point, and regarding the animals...
they are sort of programmed differently than we are. Some glitch along the way gave us all manner of forethought and intelligence they do not possess and we use that to set up a society that is in the eyes of a majority of us, ideal. It doesn't rely purely on instinct like animals but prudence and discretion are practiced and in grained. Otherwise you go back to the old days when siblings and children were not considered off limits within the family. Taboo? Yes but perfectly legal. We get better with age in many ways that are not immediately evident. Civilization is a work in progress. It is far from perfect. I am just catching on to the fact that pedophiles and child trafficking is as big a business as guns and drugs. I think a lot of us are.

It is after all beyond the bounds of imagination for most people. You do not consider these things happen if you are decent and ecpect that for the most part everyone else is too. There are those and like I said this is new information coming to light, the trafficking, Chinese Children vanishing in Sweden someone trying to snatch a bunch of Hatian children, the wide spread and advanced child trafficking rings working throughout Europe and Asia discovered in Turkey, our own Franklin Scandal. Children are sweet and sweeter still to some. Forget slaves when you can raise one of your own rather than oppress someone you can train them to be ..."what ever you want them to be" and when you are done with them...well if they never existed in the first place.

A sexually free society will not subscribe to these beliefs? Have you read the bible and what is your take on the verses in there on how a man is suppost to act and treat his fellow man. And how he is supposed to be the caretaker of wife and family.
This is why the economies around the world are crumbling. Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, Greece, the list goes on they are CRUMBLING! Europe is about to be Destroyed, don't you watch the news. The United States of American probably is not that far behind. We are taught BEHAVIOUR economics, which isn't far from Darwinian thinking. This is descended from Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations and on "The View of Man." Basically that we are no different from four-legged, screwing pleasure humping loving animals, that is the Empire's view of humanity today still. God created us in his image (Gen. 1:27) Since when did Be Fruitful and multiply, degenerate to Doctors and Lawyers with P.H.D's trying to back up their free-will to molest and terrorize children.

Legal this moral degeneracy that we are witnessing until the end comes. And it is coming. Economy is based on stability, a countries stability and it's credit, and how can you have stability and credit in a society that is ruled by filthy low lifes who have no morals and no one to fear for their actions?
"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of earth, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrathe of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand:
— Revelation 6:13-17

"And as were the days of Noah, so shall be the coming of the Son of man. For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall be the coming of the Son of man."
— Matthew 24:37-41

Look, there's plenty of grown men out there who, while they are not traditionally thought of as "pedophiles", they certainly show a lack of respect for the boundary put in place by our government on this issue.

Dad works as a welder, and he remembers when Brittany Spears was 16 years old. The guys at his work were posting up as nude as possible pics of her, and counting down the days until she was legal. The same thing happened for the Olsen Twins. There's a few others from the Disney Channel that get this same treatment there, too. Baby bro went to a free concert with his mum, when he was 16, where this fiddle player announced her 18th birthday to the crowd, and all the 40 year old men went wild in cheering for this little fact. (His description called them a field of Pedo-staches (mustaches).) Had a gay buddy from high school that took one glimps of my baby brother (who was 10-12 at the time) and told me to call him when the boy turned 18. There's a whole group of men out there who will not go near a kid for sexual reasons, that would hit on a kid the moment the age was lowered because they don't have a reason not to.

These laws are put in place to give these kids a barrier before they have to deal with potential predators. A lot of 16 year olds are ready for sex, but not the emotional baggage of a relationship. With the barrier at 18, it gives them a buffer.

Now, since I looked like an adult when I was 12, (people thought I was my dad's wife, for the love of God), I can remember what it was like dealing with men who didn't know better. That was scary enough, but the ones who were still interested after they found out I was 12?!? I'm greatful I had a dad that threatened people's lives for some of the crap that went on.

There is a thread "Are Homophobics Gay?" that says those who protest against gays are gay themselves.

To me Homo / Pedo they go hand in hand.

IMO, as I am allowed an opinion within the T&C's I think that both Homosexuality and Pedophilia are closely linked, very closely linked.

Both to me are not my choice but their are people who engage in these things.

I can not state a solution as it has gone on since the beginning of man.

But one overlaps the other.

I do NOT agree with either but I have a feeling that Pedos will eventually get the same rights as the gays did. I can see that sexualization of children is becoming widespread just like the advertising of gays did in years past before they were granted untold power and protection by the law.

Gays and Pedo's are attracted to same sex or children just like men and women are attracted to each other. No disease just socially unacceptable. Now 1000 years ago and you would be perfectly accepted. Just wrong timing for both these groups.

Originally posted by Six6Six
There is a thread "Are Homophobics Gay?" that says those who protest against gays are gay themselves.

Along this same line, with pedophilia, there are those who don't go for children that are counting down to the age of legal sex. When you're willling to go that far, you're nearly in the same boat.

But there's a victimization for some of these poor guys (NOT ALL). Some kids look far older than they are. Guys are generally sight-triggered, and you get this teeny bopper that is as well endowed as your wife jiggiling hr wares in your face, it's hard not to respond to it. Male teachers have this pretty bad--they can't fuss a kid for exposing too much of themselves without being accused of enjoying the view. It sucks.

Originally posted by AllInMyHead
I went to the B4U-ACT website and it seems that the aim of the organization is to get these people help BEFORE they molest someone. I in NO WAY condone anyone in any way shape or form having a sexual or romantic relationship with a child. I DO think, however, if someone is cognizant enough of the fact that they have a problem they need to have some way to get help, which it seems that this is what the organization does. I didn't see anything on their website that would indicate that they CONDONE this behavior but are only trying to provide an non-threatening avenue for this people to get the help they need. Don't we want these people to get help and NOT molest children? Or would we rather have them hiding in plain sight? That, to me, is a far scarier option.

That is exactly what they are doing and I am glad someone else in this thread bothered to look into it some more. Star for you.

They very clearly state that they are trying to help people who recognise that they are attracted to minors and wish to remedy it before something bad happens. They are in no way supporting paedophilia. If anything, they're taking quite an altruistic and humanitarian approach to giving these people help and preventing or 'fighting' paedohilic urges.

It makes you wonder - if the OP or others here did read their website, would they perhaps rather these people didn't get help and wait until something does happen? That is, if they are caught.

Wow so sick

Don't know if we are reincarnated but if we are I hope to god I'm allowed to remember not to have any kids in a future where this sort of thing might be normal.

Originally posted by Diamonquecharm
Wow so sick

Don't know if we are reincarnated but if we are I hope to god I'm allowed to remember not to have any kids in a future where this sort of thing might be normal.

dont think like that, the joy and inherrent nessesity of children makes any obsticle worth overcoming.

Dont let it happen and say "oh well no more kids while this goes on"

When you should be putting a vote in a box, singing a petition or posting on a thread what you think should be done to pervent it hurting innocents.

Also to the people comparing pedophilla to earily homosexuality, you are incorrect. Compare that innocent child to a suiside bomber at the same age.

They dont fully understand and its not fair.

reply to post by Partygirl

You should see the list of "assertions" in the article...without quoting at length, examples include claims that pedophiles are "unfairly stigmatized," that sex is taken "too seriously" in Western culture, and "assuming children are unable to consent lends itself to criminalization and stigmatization." There are more in the article, see for yourself! They are all horrible like that!

Why don't you actually take the time to actually examine the points they are trying to make rather than label them all as "predators" and conclude everything they say is horrible?

I agree that anyone who abuses a child deserves any stigmatization they receive, but it can often be very excessive and in some cases down right silly. Men have been charged for having consensual sex with a person only a few months younger than them but under the legal age. In the eye of the law the "child" wasn't able to consent and the "predator" is charged with some sort of sexual offense and will most likely be put on a sex offender registry afterwards.

Sex is taken far too seriously in some circumstances, children themselves can even be charged as sex offenders. In every state of the union if you have sex and you are a minor you are likely committing a felony. The age group with by far the largest number of convictions for sex offenses are people between 14 and 20 years old. We even go so far as to put some of these kids through therapy which basically teaches them sex is bad. Also see this thread.

This brings us to the key question: can "minors" consent to sexual activities? Firstly, how do you know if you are an adult or a minor? Perhaps it's your age, but that only applies to certain nations. In other parts of the world you may be considered still a child or already an adult. No one can really say when you hit a certain age you are now officially an adult. Some may say the true sign that a person is no longer a child is their intelligence, but there are 10 year olds smarter than most of us here.

In fact, when you get right down to it, what actually matters to people is appearances. This is proven by the fact that there are many people who wish to put a stop to the fake child pornography. The fake stuff is basically people who look really young but are actually over the legal age limit to be involved in making pornography. There was even a thread on ATS about it once, and 90% of people were disgusted and expressed their hatred towards the "predators" that were behind it.

We believe that children don't have sexual freedom and can't make their own choices. Even when we have two people consenting to a perfectly natural act that probably brings them great joy and pleasure, the law can decide to step in and deem that it is wrong and blasphemous if one or both of the people involved are considered by law to be "minors". There is no flexibility or understanding, simply knee jerk reactions and a harsh punishment often worse than a murderer may receive.