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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 08:43 AM
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I am not sure I buy the automatic age-of-consent at 18 to be a magical age where all before and all after are considered entirely different categories of beingness. Violence, sex, crime, and also good judgement come to a person at different ages, if at all. I would be more inclined to having a system of juvenile to adult emancipation in a variable age range, perhaps from 14 to 21 years of age when a person can be judged emancipated given variable circumstances of their nature and upbringing.

I do not advocate that as solely an age of consent for sexual emancipation but that would be included as well. Some "children" start committing heinous crimes at a very young age and can be judged to stand trial as an adult. Some people by familial circumstances leave school early to work and provide for their extended family. I also believe there are some circumstances that should permit a person to go out on their own at various ages and receive adult considerations. I do not know exactly where one should draw the lines but 14 to 21 seems to be an area when most individuals start to come into their own depending on their own development and circumstances.

Not having reviewed all the background material for this topic I am not sure what arguments were being made at that university, but NO, I am not in favor of children being used as objects. But YES, I believe that age of reason, consent, and judgement can come upon us at varying ages. Some should be "protected" much longer than others.


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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by LargeFries
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there was a thread yesterday on this identical topic. it was 'removed for review by moderators':

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Hmm. Kinda confusing, isn't it?

From Versa on that thread:



Paedophilia is not considered a mental illness here in the UK and nor should it be....

Deeming it an illness implies a lack of responsibility on the part of the 'sufferer' it should not be listed as a mental illness but treated as a criminal act. I think its right that it be removed from the mental health classifications.

Its a criminal act and a perversion not an illness.



I don't know much about this phenomenon but I do think it's gone more than epidemic over the past few decades. Scares the poop outta me.

Thanks for posting Partygirl.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by Partygirl


Johns Hopkins University, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Harvard Medical School, and the London School of Economics and Political Science: Some of the most respected names in academia, right? So why were they the source of academic panelists at a "pedophilia-friendly" scientific symposium?

You should see the list of "assertions" in the article...without quoting at length, examples include claims that pedophiles are "unfairly stigmatized," that sex is taken "too seriously" in Western culture, and "assuming children are unable to consent lends itself to criminalization and stigmatization." There are more in the article, see for yourself! They are all horrible like that!


What is wrong with these places? Is this the next cultural engineering agenda? You will start seeing sympathetic portrayals of pedophiles in the movies, etc...it makes me sick just to think about it.

And why are the academics from these ivory-tower elite academic institutions all involved in it? What is this, some kind of conspiracy by child molesters to infiltrate social norms? Illuminati satanists? Or just cultural relativists losing touch with reality (and endangering millions of children!!
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You know if this is what university is, I'm glad I didn't go. More than glad -- proud. It's like they are laughing at you, they hook you on student loan debt (which can't be discharged) and then once you are there you learn all this evil, useless stuff from people who think pedophiles are good.

If Partygirl was in charge of things these "elite institutions" would be boarded up and then re-opened as homeless shelters and libraries for the public! The "professors" who are like a cancer rotting the once-proud Western tradition should be tried for putting children in danger ! ! !


www.americanthinker.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


If you'd bothered to read what the symposium was actually about, you wouldn't be so quick to paint all academics as paedophiles. They weren't gathering to rally support for child molestation at all. The conference was focused on relaying ideas of various researchers and practising psychologists, etc. pertaining to entering pedophilia into the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), as well as discussing the scientific and ethical issues surrounding it - no one was by any means endorsing it. It's incredibly pig-headed and ignorant of you to assume that because such people are gathering at an event about child molestation that they are all pedophiles or supporters thereof and furthermore, that all academics (in attendance or otherwise) must follow that same agenda. Or are you saying that pedophiles are not in some way mentally deranged?

You should check your references before you go brandishing them as gospel and tarnishing others with such insulting and blatantly ill-informed accusations.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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The people who are supporting the molesters are merely fellow travellers or attention junkies. They spout understanding and decriminalization and are so open minded that their brains have fallen out.
No laws would be changed to allow children to be taken advantage of. No jury would take into consideration any of the rationalization spewed by B4UACT. Six year olds playing doctor with each other is one thing; six year olds exploring their sexuality with 40 year olds is something else again.
The universities involved may or may not be culpable. Unless the papers from those professors are read, one does not know what they espoused. One solution might be to hold high profile supporters of B4UACT responsible as accessories or coconspirators for any pedophilia of the group members. A prison term for child molestation or kiddy porn will give them an idea of what the children suffer and help them reevaluate their philosophies.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by Muckster
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A sexually liberal society will allow children to consent to whoever they please. You can't blame them; they're merely following the philosophy of sexual liberalization. In the future the same way we negatively speak out against those who don't think all is right with homosexuality we will with pedophilia. Animals also engage in incest, and since we follow the rules of animals that will be accepted too someday. Not today, not tomorrow, but some time in the future. Watch as our values become updated in the future and we are seen as old-fashioned prudes and bigots against people who are born pedophiles.



Comparing homosexuality with paedophilia???

Sorry you are talking rubbish... What consenting adults choose to do in the privacy of their own home is entirely up to them and nobody else’s business. Do you think that a 2 year old has the mental capacity to consent to a fully grown adult destroying their body?? You think that a child who has been abused since birth has ever had a say in what goes on???


Don’t be a fool... This sick depraved practice will NEVER be accepted in civilised society as long as most decent people have the instinct to protect the young.

If you think that this practice could be and should be accepted then you are as deranged as the people who commit these atrocity’s!



Enough with this "you can't compare homosexuality with pedophilia" nonsense. You haven't paid attention to a thing I said so, if you don't die, watch the acceptance of pedophilia in the future. If society no longer believes in absolute truth, they will accept any pleasant sounding lie. People merely have to be programmed by academia and the media.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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I agree that pedophelia seems to have flourished in the recent past. or maybe we just hear about it more because of the internet. regardless, I was thinking; if indeed it is becoming more prevalent in our society who better to figure out what is going on in the minds of pedophiles than this group of well learned academics. in all fairness, those gathered for this symposium do study and treat the human mind. if anyone is going to understand this disease and possibly turn it around I think it is the group that has assembled. I do need to read more about this but I find it hard to believe they have gathered simply to decriminalize or promote it. maybe sometimes this conspiracy POV so many on here have goes a bit too far. I know satan is alive and well but I doubt he has the reach / capability of convening a gathering of the AMA. not yet anyway, not while good people still walk this earth.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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I'm speechless. I was flirted with by a schoolgirl earlier today and it made me feel very uncomftable (I am waaay too old to be seriously considering a schoolgirl)
The thing is that I have rarely inmy life seen a girl/woman flirt in such an obvious and obtrusive way, I should have been looking for the cameras.

I think society is mess'n with the minds of people to the point where I (as a grown man) felt sheepish around a teenage girl, I felt sexually intimidated and I am by no means a prude, I've been walked out on by women on many occaisions for suggesting something that weirded her out


Teenagers and kids are soooo much different today then when I was one, listening to their conversations on public transport makes me blush!

Things are gonna change and I'm not sure we can do anything about it. After a very small amount of research I discovered a few websites on so called "Child Models". If these websites aren't making these girls sexual objects then I'll eat my hat. FYI these websites are apparently %100 legal! I mean damn, c'mon, how can this s@#t be legal???

I'm choosing celebacy and moving into a cabin in the woods, Screw you twisted world... I'm Out!



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 10:03 AM
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I'm choosing celebacy and moving into a cabin in the woods, Screw you twisted world... I'm Out!



Totally understand where you're coming from with that statement.

The world is changing rapidly..not just with technology....but values..some of it for good....most of it....not so much.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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The reason the world's values are changing so rapidly is because of postmodernism. If you believe in no absolute truth or absolute morals, anyone can justify anything by asking why they should be forced to accept your standards of morality. And public opinion can easily be swayed through education and media.
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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by CaDreamer
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the final post in that thread was pretty much pro pedophilia, dropping the age of consent to 13. if this thread stays a civil discussion, perhaps it will stand.

some sick people in this world, its shameful.
governments are the sick people that are all over the world launching attacks that result in the mutilation and murder of children on a daily basis....wheres these kids voice?...its always sex is this and sex is that, when war is the true evil in this world...
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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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A belief is not a fact.

We are not animals, is that not obvious?



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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I didn't say we were. I said if we accept it. I don't.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien
Hmm i think the only reason these people are respected is because simply those around them hold high regard to them, their colleagues give them power, im studying biomed at university, and honestly you should go to university but anyways imo my professors, and acquaintances are retards, i would never hold them to high regard or even respect them because theyre doing the same course i am, i just smile, nod, and do the work.

i think they support paedophilia because its, either for social engineering, or either they're being paid to do it, or maybe they're just plain crazy.
Who's to say these PH.D folks are even human?
Sciences are a hard course to undergrad in especially psychology, and if they have ph.d's,welll.... im guessing they're reptilian, since humans wouldn't do this........well.....maybe, but then again, do pedos really have the intellect and will to study at university, not only that, but do a BS, Masters, and Ph.d, then go and promote paedophilia?
Always good to keep an open mind.


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So, you're saying anyone with an advanced education in any of those fields are reptilians? Reptilians don't exist and a youtube video is not proof.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by DAVID64

Originally posted by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien
Hmm i think the only reason these people are respected is because simply those around them hold high regard to them, their colleagues give them power, im studying biomed at university, and honestly you should go to university but anyways imo my professors, and acquaintances are retards, i would never hold them to high regard or even respect them because theyre doing the same course i am, i just smile, nod, and do the work.

i think they support paedophilia because its, either for social engineering, or either they're being paid to do it, or maybe they're just plain crazy.
Who's to say these PH.D folks are even human?
Sciences are a hard course to undergrad in especially psychology, and if they have ph.d's,welll.... im guessing they're reptilian, since humans wouldn't do this........well.....maybe, but then again, do pedos really have the intellect and will to study at university, not only that, but do a BS, Masters, and Ph.d, then go and promote paedophilia?
Always good to keep an open mind.


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So, you're saying anyone with an advanced education in any of those fields are reptilians? Reptilians don't exist and a youtube video is not proof.
at this moment in time we cant prove reptilians do or dont exist, but they very well might and if they do, they are empowered by our denial of them......



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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I'll warn you - I'm going to play Devil's advocate and take a few of my own experiences well out of context, and you will probably be offended. Just letting you get over the shock for a moment, now, so that you can apply a little less emotion to what I'm about to say.


You should see the list of "assertions" in the article...without quoting at length, examples include claims that pedophiles are "unfairly stigmatized," that sex is taken "too seriously" in Western culture, and "assuming children are unable to consent lends itself to criminalization and stigmatization." There are more in the article, see for yourself! They are all horrible like that!


Because everyone out there with an attraction to someone younger than them is handing out candy from the back of a van in front of elementary schools.

If I take a few parents I have run into and use them to develop my image of what all parents are like... then I could easily come up with the idea that children should be taken from their parents and raised by computers, or packs of wild wolves (either would be better than some parents I've seen). No sex is involved. Yet the relationship is horribly damaging to children and destructive to society and future generations.

Likewise, I can point to plenty of abused women in this world - abused by their husbands, boyfriends, etc. For whatever reason, they continue to return to these men (and sometimes the role is reversed and the man is abused by the woman). I contend that it is an abuse of the evolutionary adaptation that drives women to "adapt" and "accept" their surroundings (opposed to the males' tendency to 'fix' things and enforce their ideology). It is a clearly destructive phenomena and runs rampant through all walks of society.


And why are the academics from these ivory-tower elite academic institutions all involved in it? What is this, some kind of conspiracy by child molesters to infiltrate social norms? Illuminati satanists? Or just cultural relativists losing touch with reality (and endangering millions of children!! )


It probably has something to do with one's desire to teach. To someone with the desire to teach, children inherently offer a relationship supportive of their desire to teach.

I'm a calm, reserved, person with a lot of knowledge. I draw kids like a magnet, particularly girls (I believe this is because they have much more loud/rowdy male figures in their life that are less approachable). I don't even have to do anything - just sitting down will have kids using me as a jungle-gym.

When I try to teach them something, an amazing thing happens - they listen. When they need help with something - they ask.

Fast forward a few years, and those same kids will be too cool to listen to anyone, and too proud to ask for help. This continues well into adulthood.

So, for someone who enjoys passing on what he knows - it's only natural that he be drawn to children, as that is going to be a fulfilling and rewarding 'relationship' (that is meant as a social relationship). For some, the added desire to protect and nurture leads to the desire to be more than just a teacher.

For others, it is the draw of 'power' - to be held in such high esteem by their 'partner.' Some just like to have the final word in things, and others are more perverse in their desire to be in control.

There's a whole spectrum of mentalities out there.

Do I think it is a good idea to get sexually involved with someone under-age? No. Children are too impressionable and teens are just guano-loco. You're better off waiting until they have a more genuine appreciation for the stable presence of people in their life... unless your goal is just to 'hit it' - in which case, I liken anyone like that to an animal, regardless of the ages involved.

The point is that not everything can be painted with the same brush.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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The season for the symposium is not relevant.
the statements and conclusions stand for themselves.


Pedophiles enjoy preying on children due to their own shortcommings.
They do not feel acceptable to people of their "equal", and have a need to be dominant or superior than their "partner".

They use their age and experience to trick children into "consent" and use pseudoscientific data such as provided by the symposium in questioin to validate their atrocities..
This is the rape of your children we are discussing.



BTW, some animals neat their young...and some slay and eat their spouse after sex.

Still think saying " We are animals" is justification for child abuse?


So saddening.
Anyone with children knows how supporting pedeophilia as a "normal" condition is insanity, and akin to supporting forced rape.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by hypervalentiodine
If you'd bothered to read what the symposium was actually about, you wouldn't be so quick to paint all academics as paedophiles. They weren't gathering to rally support for child molestation at all. The conference was focused on relaying ideas of various researchers and practising psychologists, etc. pertaining to entering pedophilia into the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), as well as discussing the scientific and ethical issues surrounding it - no one was by any means endorsing it. It's incredibly pig-headed and ignorant of you to assume that because such people are gathering at an event about child molestation that they are all pedophiles or supporters thereof and furthermore, that all academics (in attendance or otherwise) must follow that same agenda. Or are you saying that pedophiles are not in some way mentally deranged?

You should check your references before you go brandishing them as gospel and tarnishing others with such insulting and blatantly ill-informed accusations.


I never painted "all academics as pedophiles." That is a straw-man argument. Nice try but no.

I never claimed they were "gathering to rally support for child molestation ." Nope. That's you putting words into my mouth,

You accuse me of saying things I did not say and then insult me for things I never said. Nice. I find the strawman one of the weakest and most pathetic of argumentative tactics.

What is going on here is that they are talking about de-stigmatizing pedophilia on an academic/formal level, which is the first step to de-stigmatizining it in wider ways in general society. Obviously they aren't there holding a "rally." Only a complete idiot would think that just because they aren't there waving banners, doesn't mean the actions they take are not going to have effects that are going to be very pro-pedophile in the real world. In fact what they are doing is much more effective than any "rally to support child molestors." What they are doing is tinkering with the medical and legal definitions to make the world more pedophile-friendly.

Moreover, "if you'd bothered to read" (your words to me) the list of assertions in the article, I think you would find many of them very, very pro-pedophile in terms of the actual impact that their widespread adoption would have.

Please keep your remarks less personal and stawman-ish in the future. Thanks.
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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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wow when its some slack jawed neaderthal raping children its wrong and he should be destroyed but when a bunch of educated rich pieces of garbage want to get together they form the "super adventure club."
come on people where was the angry mobs how in this day and age tolerate crap of this magnitude.
they really think its ok because they are educated and rich .where is my torch and pitvhfork



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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Keeping pedophilia out of the DSM IV will not make it socially acceptable. Instead, it will keep those convicted of pedophilia, out of the the looney bin, and in with the general prison population.
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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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If it isn't classified as a mental illness then they won't be offered "treatment" and counseling and such. I don't think it's a move towards legalizing or normalizing at all. If they aren't considered mentally ill then they will just be criminals subject to the usual penalties without all the expensive treatments and accompanying sympathies.
Being a murderer doesn't necessarily mean you are mentally ill either...They don't try to "cure"you...They just throw you in prison to rot. Sounds okay to me.



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