honour killing tends to be quite a stupid localised cultural thing...

In india hindus have been known to do this as well as muslims. Its just a stupid and badly disguised exzcuse for controlling ones womenfolk through violence. It is very rarely men who are killed for 'shaming' anything/anyone...

Wow, honor killing. Damn, maybe Ted Bundy wasn't a serial killer, he was just performing a bunch of honor killings. Damn, according to their rules I could wipe them all out. Not by killing the men, but the women. Basically do to the middle east what china has done to itself. Kill off all the women, the men have no way to procreate, they vanish off the planet.

Originally posted by Qoelet
honour killing tends to be quite a stupid localised cultural thing...

In india hindus have been known to do this as well as muslims. Its just a stupid and badly disguised exzcuse for controlling ones womenfolk through violence. It is very rarely men who are killed for 'shaming' anything/anyone...

Wow, I never knew this. I'm a hindu myself, but I've never heard of hindus killing their own children in a mistaken sense of duty or any such thing.

Care to provide examples of this going on in India?

I know that abortion due to the child being a girl is a problem in India, but that's not quite the same thing, and it certainly isn't because of some sense of honor.

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'Honor' killing is NOT exclusive to muslim culture. I have heard of this in India and Brazil. And in Brazil it has nothing to do with religion. If a man feels a woman has 'violated' his honor he can use that argument in his defense. I remember hearing about this several years ago in Brazil, things may or may not have changed there since then.

It really has to do with the fact that many cultures see women as second class citizens. Some of them see women more as property than human.

Texan, Dan Leach, is reported to have killed his pregnant girlfriend Ashley Nicole Wilson [confessing after seeing "Passion of the Christ"] because he was EMBARRASSED at having a physical relationship with her.

Could it be that a lot of heterosexual guys are not 'all there' upstairs?
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Originally posted by slank
Could it be that a lot of heterosexual guys are not 'all there' upstairs?

are you implying that homosexuals posses better ability to reason?

Originally posted by Indy
I will do my duty as a human and provide her shelter

Selfless sacrifice award for this man... a real philanthropist!

Originally posted by bhagavadgita

Care to provide examples of this going on in India?

I don't think you need to look very far in a society that has "untouchables".

Originally posted by bhagavadgita

Care to provide examples of this going on in India?

I don't think you need to look very far in a society that has "untouchables".

I think we see many people who let their political views interceed on every subject they touch and I think thats what stemmed Ashler's comments. In the eyes of many, if we admit there is a credible threat from militant Islam against women and free countries throughout the world, then, to them, we help justify GW Bush and his actions. That is neither here nor there. Even Hillary Clinton, Tom Dashle, and Bill Clinton have admitted the threat is viable so lets not make it our mission to make excuses for these killers based on a short-temr political goal which, in the big picture, will make little difference. The truth is, this is happening in our world today and refering to a savage time in civilization to somehow validate it serves only but to remind us of how far we've come in any respects and how awefull these kinds of acts are. If you find it acceptable for militant muslims to hunt anyone based on their gender and measure of personal freedom, you are wrong.

All I know is that girl looks hotttttttttttttttttt.

Maybe she can do some american stuff lol j/p.

Originally posted by Hellmutt
An 18-year-old Iranian girl was strangled to death by her own father about a month ago at Furuset in Oslo. The reason for the murder was a culture clash between father and daughter. The Fadime case in Sweden 6 months ago, where Fadime’s father killed her because he did not agree with her lifestyle, also directed focus on honor killings among Muslims. [...]Should we adjust to them or should they adjust to us?

This calls to mind the story [probably apocryphal] of a british man in india, back when it was a british colony. He had prevented (or was part of the governemnt that prevented or whatever) a woman from commiting sutee upon the death of her husband (she was going to throw herself on his funeral pyre thereby killing herself). The britisher expressed that he was appaled at this, and an indian man said 'you must understand, this is our way, our tradition', to which the britisher replied c.f 'it is our tradition to forbid such things'.

Or some such. But you get the point.

Besides, the above is a muslim girl in -Norway-, not Iran, and honour killings are obviously unjustifiable and disgusting.

Haha Indy that was great .

All I know is that girl looks hotttttttttttttttttt.

Maybe she can do some american stuff lol j/p.

So who won the Miss Norway contest?

EDIT:
OK, I see this thread was about to derail here for a second (see below).
So this single post is gone now so we can get back on track. Who won the bloody contest anyway is not the issue here, so lets move on...

First of all, of course I donīt approve rape (did anybody get that impression?).
The point is that there are "western" laws and rules and ways, and there are muslim laws and rules and ways. They donīt mix well.
I say: They should adjust to our ways when they choose to move to a western country. We should not have to adjust our ways to suit their "needs". I.e. building mosques, practice sharia-laws and so on. When we are "there" we have to adjust to their ways (except for the raping stuff ), and we canīt even mention Jesus in public without getting into serious trouble. Christ, by posting this thread I probably qualify to get my arms and legs chopped off (and maybe more than "just" arms and legs).


[edit on 2004/8/24 by Hellmutt]

They are out raged when an arab female gets into porn, but when 200 people are murderd by their bombs they are pleased.

They are also not disgraced for raping european women.

Originally posted by Thinker
They are also not disgraced for raping european women.

Well I'm disgraced by your stupidity and bigotry, you filthy little pig.

If we'd all like to see this topic continue, lets keep the sexual tone down as well as stop the name calling. If this deteriorates into a chit-chat conversation about how hot a porn star looks, then it'll go to chit-chat. I suggest that last post be edited and the slur taken out against the poster of the former topic. That kind of hot headedness might work where you're from but it won't fly here. People can have their opinions and even state facts that you wish kept secret. A persoanl attack when you have no recourse is not the answer on ATS.