Originally posted by Thinker
"Well I'm disgraced by your stupidity and bigotry, you filthy little pig."

Lets look at the facts

You are stereotyping an entire religion/ethnicity and pretending to hide behind facts.
I have no idea what the situation is in denmark and wouldn't think for a second that its representative of the world as a whole. If your bigoted claims were at all true then those figures would be similar in any country or region with a large muslim population and they simply aren't

The numbers quoted by Pipes and Hedegaard are truly correct; they were quoted in all major newspapers in February this year.

That hardly makes anything they, whoever they are, said true. Provide a link to the original report if you want to discuss it.

Denmark as a whole: 68 % non-danish rapists are Muslim

non-danish
What percentage of the minority population in denmark are muslims anyway? That's a rather important figure to keep in mind, and one that a rational person would've included.

A grotesque overrepresentation: 7.4 % are foreigners.

Ok, and 100% of rape done by foreigners is.....done by foreigners! Wow, how shocking.

In the US, some minorities are overepresented in the prison population. So you think that these minority populations are inherenently criminal then? That is specifically the logic you are using.

The reality is Muslim men seem european women, none muslims women are subclass and believe it's ok to rape them.

A falsehood and a lie propogated by a racist liar.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


In Muslim countries women are not allowed to work. Many do not go to school because they are not allowed to.


If the husband refuses to support her for not having sex, she is doomed. Since she cannot work or earn money on her own, let alone be seen in public without male escorts, she no longer has anyone to care for her.


Thus, he threatens her with starvation and homelessness if she does not comply. Threats to cause bodily harm used to coerce someone are rape.

Skadi, I happen to agree with you but let me play devil's advocate for a moment and lets pretend the whole world accepts this treatment of women as property by Muslim husbands...I think what we are seeing as shown by the crime statistics Thinker put foreward is a trend of brutal rape of women who aren't their wives simply based on the view that regardless whether a person belives as they do, they have the Allah given right to force that belief onto anyone at any time. So it is with sex, so it also is with all other aspects.

I think we have a few that attempt to marr this fact by presenting the argument of marital rape to distract from the point at the heart of this post. Mariatl rape is still rape, yes that I agree. But, the rape of innocent women and girls for some sort of religious validity is at the heart of it all. If, by some means, we are persuaded to accept the less obvious form of rape, then, they see themselves one step closer to forcing acceptance of all out rape and murder if they can religiously justify it.

I think this is but one front in the war or "jihad" declared on the rest of the world. Look, I'm all for someone finding a religion and changing their lives and thats all well and good. But what we see with modern Islam is the evolutionary equivillant of the spanish inquisition. In time, this forced dogma will too be rejected and subside into a more peaceful, self realized faith. For now, we all have to look forward to getting to deal with people so right in their own minds, you too must be forced to submit. This is going to be a long and hard fight.

porn is morally wrong and starring in a porn film is extremely wrong. That girl is not a good rolemodel for young women and this just degrades herself and her gender to be sexual objects. I'm glad she wasn't able to become Miss Norway.

Also, I think we should show some religious tolerance and understanding, in islamic society such a thing is considered much worse than how we consider it and we view such a career as an extremely negative thing.

If I found out my daughter was a porn star I would disown her and I would want to viciously kill the people who were involved in the production of such a thing. Dont tell me it wouldn't cross your mind either if you were in that situation, any healthy person would think that. It would be extremely dishonourable and upsetting thing to happen to someone and ones family.

thanks,
drfunk

drfunk, morally I agree with you. I would be livid if I had a daughter who was drawn into that relm. I woudn't kill her but yes, I'd porbably find the scumbags that got her into it and deal with them. There is a difference in that and condoning rape justified by a religion not everyone believes. If this woman is not their relative, I can't see any justification for hunting her down nor should there be any understanding of this act because of their religion.

We as a global society attempt to be understanding of the week and the minority but there is no reason to be understanding of a group of violent, half-crazed, militant fanatics. I don't care of their feelings are hurt, I don't care if they get offended. They are in no way worried about offending anyone else so why should we be? It goes back to the old cliche of tolerance for intolerance. Its a fools lament.

Originally posted by drfunk
If I found out my daughter was a porn star I would disown her and I would want to viciously kill the people who were involved in the production of such a thing. Dont tell me it wouldn't cross your mind either if you were in that situation, any healthy person would think that.

Healthy people don't disown their children for getting it on and kill the production staff involved.

It would be extremely dishonourable and upsetting thing to happen to someone and ones family.

Having your honour 'besmirched' doesn't justify killing in modern society.

it's a pretty healthy reaction to me, it shows that i have emotions and would be upset at such a thing. You can't say "healthy people don't disown children for getting it on" because i would want for my daughter a healthy relationship /marriage where sexual intercourse is safe and appreciated between two people, not where odd sexual acts with multiple partners who she most likely just met and could carry a variety of diseases in all sorts of places on some smutty set that's in some guys garage that's available at blockbuster video or on the net for everyone to watch my daughter do such things. That Nygdan isn't healthy and if you think that is healthy you obviously don't care about your family and have no concept of love.


Doesn't mean i would do it but i sure as hell would contemplate it. I still would disown my daughter and maybe after a few years i might talk to her again.

I think that these "honour killings" are wrong but i do not like to carry a "holier than thou" attitude many westerners seem to have when concerning cultures or customs that aren't ours. We must try and see the world through their eyes and /or perspective. I gave an example of how damn pissed off i would be if my daughter was involved perhaps it would be infinitely worse in an islamic society.

I also note that the threats aren't from her family.

thanks,
drfunk

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Originally posted by drfunk
it's a pretty healthy reaction to me, it shows that i have emotions and would be upset at such a thing.

No, you stated that would disown her and kill the production staff. If you had so, 'i'd be terribly upset, etc etc' then that would be healthy, but fantasies about murder simply aren't.

You can't say "healthy people don't disown children for getting it on" because i would want for my daughter a healthy relationship /marriage where sexual intercourse is safe and appreciated between two people, not where odd sexual acts with multiple partners who she most likely just met and could carry a variety of diseases in all sorts of places on some smutty set that's in some guys garage that's available at blockbuster video or on the net for everyone to watch my daughter do such things.

That [the porn industry] Nygdan isn't healthy and if you think that is healthy you obviously don't care about your family and have no concept of love.

Ok, you have no idea what you are talking about or who I am and what I am like. You just switched it from 'i want to kill people who have done something I find unhealthy' to 'porn is unhealthy'. You obviously don't know anything about family or love if you would disown your daughter for doing this. Not wanting her to do it and not supporting her in these actions are reasonable but disowning her? And killing people? You might think its healthy, but you'll still get the chair.

We must try and see the world through their eyes and /or perspective. I gave an example of how damn pissed off i would be if my daughter was involved perhaps it would be infinitely worse in an islamic society.

Its understandable to a degree, but to pretend that anyone who's not worked up into a murderous rage is somehow the one who is sick is rather silly, and yes, in these 'honour killing' socieites the punishment would be much worse. They would murder her. There are even examples of women who have been raped in these socieites who are put to death, while the rapist is left alone.


Doesn't mean i would do it but i sure as hell would contemplate it. I still would disown my daughter and maybe after a few years i might talk to her again.

I think that these "honour killings" are wrong but i do not like to carry a "holier than thou" attitude many westerners seem to have when concerning cultures or customs that aren't ours. We must try and see the world through their eyes and /or perspective. I gave an example of how damn pissed off i would be if my daughter was involved perhaps it would be infinitely worse in an islamic society.

I also note that the threats aren't from her family.

thanks,
drfunk

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Ok, you have no idea what you are talking about or who I am and what I am like. You just switched it from 'i want to kill people who have done something I find unhealthy' to 'porn is unhealthy'. You obviously don't know anything about family or love if you would disown your daughter for doing this. Not wanting her to do it and not supporting her in these actions are reasonable but disowning her?

My attack has always been on the porn it is extremely unhealthy. If you knew something about parenting you would know that you raise your kids with morals, values and consequences for actions. If fimy daughter were to make a film I would feel enraged, disgusted and I would denitely not want to see her for a long time. I would find the slime who dare dishonour my family and I would want to deal with them. I would have feelings of murder in me and I would want them dead for doing this. She would pay for the consequences and I would show my gross disapproval and the dishonour she has brought herself and her family by not wanting to see her for a long long time.

If you have a daughter and you found out about this don't tell me you wouldn't have thoughts of bloodlust and revenge for the perpetraitors of this, even if you wouldnt act on them 95% of normal fathers would have the same reaction.

ts understandable to a degree, but to pretend that anyone who's not worked up into a murderous rage is somehow the one who is sick is rather silly

this is not pretend this is the normal reaction nearly all fathers would have and it isn't silly it is the perfectly normal, natural thing to occur.


thanks,
drfunk




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The issue here is lack of family relations. Also a lot of contestants take the Miss Norway seriously, and to have a slut participate demeans their sense of self-value. IMO their should have been a complete ban and a hefty fine, for devaluing the other contestants.

This is a single case. The slut's case has been highly elaborated. Personally I don't care, and neither does anyone else. If a woman wants to chose the path of a slut and be grouped together with the bums of society that's their choice.

I see bums everywhere in downtown Toronto, and yet I walk past as if they don't exist. The idealogy of being a slut is to get attention, which is what this slut has achieved. She is in no way a liberator of women. Why would women want to demean their self-worth to gain bum-status is beyond me.

Originally posted by drfunk
I would find the slime who dare dishonour my family and I would want to deal with them.

Ok, have fun in jail then.

If you have a daughter and you found out about this don't tell me you wouldn't have thoughts of bloodlust and revenge for the perpetraitors of this,

Didn't say I wouldn't be upset, but that still wouldn't mean ravenous thoughts or murder are 'healthy'

their should have been a complete ban and a hefty fine, for devaluing the other contestants.

The issue isn't what the miss norway panel is going to do, its that muslim men in the country are threatening to murder this woman because so once had sex or something on film, to defend the 'honor' of muslims. Are you agreeing with her being executed for being a 'slut' as you say?

I'd gladly provide her shelter.

Seems to me, these terrorists are following this porn star around in the hope of getting laid, before they die for their pathetic cause and end up being eternally buggered by Satan & co.

Sat+ Sun next I am going to Tunisian family--23 years relations

8 girls + 2 boys = 10 kids right? (for me 2+2=5 ) Ouuuff

never problem,every body free. You in US realy speak a funy

story!!!

PS. And please remember good my ex is an Maroco woman

the last one . Please stop your vacoum speach

could you at least try to make some sense? Your posts are comming out as complete gibberish. Sometimes they can be understood, but every so often one comes out, like the above, which might as well've not been posted, because its so incoherent.

When you are in Norway you should follow norwegians laws. No laws can be set above norwegian law when you are in Norway. Quite simple, isn´t it?

Aylar, the girl from the initial post in this thread is now all over the norwegian news. Because she took off all her cloths in the middle of the street in Oslo today. They took lots of pictures of her while people with big eyes was walking by . Pictures are available in many norwegian mainstream media. But I can´t provide links for you here, and I think you know why...

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And the most vile kind!

Its patently obvious now that Shimon bin Gray and Septic Mullah are in league with the nefarious al-qaida and militant islam! I demand that they stop their blatant attempts to turn the internet into a cyber caliphate and let the pictures go free!!


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Originally posted by Ashlar

Originally posted by Bleys

Originally posted by Ashlar
im not a muslim, but if i had a daughter who became a porn star; i would kill her

Well, with your winning personality I doubt you'll ever be given the opportunity to consumate a relationship let alone produce offspring.

how would you know anything about my personality let alone whether i am married or not and whether i have kids. you need not embarrass yourself any further.

You've told us enough.

Through your own admission you have no problem with the fact that:

a) You would murder because of your own beliefs
b) You would murder your own again, because of your own beliefs.

That in a nutshell the ultimate in intolerance and I'd rather be embarrassed any day than share space with you; through not ascribing your prejudice to the views of fellow guests, you pay the civilised world a hefty compliment indeed.

Peace be with you and with those who have yet to meet you.

The idea of bearded turbaned chasing that woman through those streets really got me laughing.
This a very complex issue. On one side pornography may seem morally wrong to many people, but on the other, no one should have their life in danger for something that is not really destructive to other people.
I would just like to remind everyone that just because a someone who calls themself muslim does something, doesn't make it right in Islam. This goes for so called "Muslim Organisations" "Muslim government" and any sort of "Secret Police" that professes to be muslim. And just to tell you, nowhere in the Quran is rape justified. In fact, men are commanded to treat women kindly. While it is recommended that when one spouse wishes to "do it" the other shouldn't deny them (This goes for both men AND women), there is no set "punishment" where you don't have to support them. Women are allowed to divorce without giving any reason, and they are entitled alimony.
So it is unfair to say "Islam says this" and "All Muslims are rapists" and "Islam supports rape". That simply isn't true