People are focusing on the religion when they should be focusing on the issue at hand: Aylar

First of all, has anyone actually seen her 2nd (and last) porn film (the one that got her in trouble)? Well I managed to download it. It's great a video which of course I watch religiously .

In any case, Aylar knows what she is doing. First off she is participating in a censorship campaign spear headedby Theo Van Gogh (recently murdered by Muslim extremist) to 'enlighten' Islam.

Aylar speaks perfectly speaks three languages and has received her degree. Besides being a completely smoking porn star, she is well educated.

I wonder how long it will take for people to realize that these Muslims are not "extreme" but that they are only following the teachings of the Qur'an and applying the Sharia. Anyone who leaves Islam are to be put to death. So called "Moderate" Muslims don't understand their own ideology and probably have never read the Qur'an.

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
I wonder how long it will take for people to realize that these Muslims are not "extreme" but that they are only following the teachings of the Qur'an and applying the Sharia. Anyone who leaves Islam are to be put to death. So called "Moderate" Muslims don't understand their own ideology and probably have never read the Qur'an.

Ummmm....NO? Did you read my previous post? The one where I showed that the Quran DOES NOT teach muslims to do that? I am reasonably well versed in the "ideology" and HAVE read the Quran. Sure, the muslims who have sworn to "Hunt down a Porn star" probably ARE extremists. But they aren't following Islam.
Simulacra, it is probably just my way of thinking, but I am questioning the "education" of someone who feels the need to parade their body around in public. Besides, I don't think Islam will take too well being "enlightened" by a former(?) pornstar.

Originally posted by babloyi

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
I wonder how long it will take for people to realize that these Muslims are not "extreme" but that they are only following the teachings of the Qur'an and applying the Sharia. Anyone who leaves Islam are to be put to death. So called "Moderate" Muslims don't understand their own ideology and probably have never read the Qur'an.

Ummmm....NO? Did you read my previous post? The one where I showed that the Quran DOES NOT teach muslims to do that? I am reasonably well versed in the "ideology" and HAVE read the Quran. Sure, the muslims who have sworn to "Hunt down a Porn star" probably ARE extremists. But they aren't following Islam.
Simulacra, it is probably just my way of thinking, but I am questioning the "education" of someone who feels the need to parade their body around in public. Besides, I don't think Islam will take too well being "enlightened" by a former(?) pornstar.

These instructions seem very explicit:

4: 89. They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,

9:5. Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

5:49. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires, but beware of them lest they seduce thee from some part of that which Allah hath revealed unto thee. And if they turn away, then know that Allah's will is to smite them for some sin of theirs. Lo! many of mankind are evil livers.

8:12. When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.

49:6. O ye who believe! If an evil liver bring you tidings, verify it, lest ye smite some folk in ignorance and afterward repent of what ye did.

Freedom_for_sum, you have obviously never done a book report in school.
You can't just pick and chose random sentences from various chapters and combine them into one "chapter" to prove your point. You have to look at least one sentence before and after the one you wish to elaborate to even have a clue what is going on.
Nice copy/paste, btw.

So yeah, here we go:

(4:88) Why should you divide yourselves into two groups regarding hypocrites (among you)? GOD is the one who condemned them because of their own behavior. Do you want to guide those who are sent astray by GOD? Whomever GOD sends astray, you can never find a way to guide them.

(4:89) They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies.

(4:90) Exempted are those who join people with whom you have signed a peace treaty, and those who come to you wishing not to fight you, nor fight their relatives. Had GOD willed, He could have permitted them to fight against you.Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them.



The next one you quoted, 9:5, from a completely different story and chapter, actually talks about instructions given to Mohammad when he was fighting the idolworshipers ( to which christians and jews DO NOT count, btw )

Here is a sentence before and after that one:

(9:4) If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous.

(9:5) Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

(9:6) If one of the idol worshipers sought safe passage with you, you shall grant him safe passage, so that he can hear the word of GOD, then send him back to his place of security. That is because they are people who do not know.


5:49 is Allah smiting unbelievers, not men killing eachother. That is a completely different story all together.

8:12 is what angels are allowed to do and it is a metaphor of them cutting brain from body, leaving body led only by basic instincts, no logic of mind. They cut fingers so the hands are not capable of useful work and of commiting evil again. You might wanna read a bit about that.

(49:6) O you who believe, if a wicked person brings any news to you, you shall first investigate, lest you commit injustice towards some people, out of ignorance, then become sorry and remorseful for what you have done.

Uhmmm this is clearly a comandment not to believe everything people say, one should CHECK first if it is true, then act upon it. If you only act and do not check the info first, you might regret it later.

paperclip,

Out of curiosity, what's your view on Muslim women choosing to marry Non-Muslims/anyone within the context of tolerance? What's your view on the consequences of such a decision?

[edit on 13-9-2005 by Ross Cross]

I'm a bit surprised your talking about Norway and related deaths to some prositutes. How bad is it there or are you talking about isolated incidents (bad as that could be) or is a growing problem?

Thanks,

Dallas

Originally posted by Dallas

I'm a bit surprised your talking about Norway and related deaths to some prositutes. How bad is it there or are you talking about isolated incidents (bad as that could be) or is a growing problem?

Thanks,

Dallas

I wasn´t talking about prostitutes but about "honor killings". And it´s not just Norway, but also Sweden and Denmark. "Honor killings" is when family members kill women (sister or daughter) who they feel have become too much influenced by the western way of life. If they are i.e. dressing "too sexy" and/or dating non-muslims. But keep in mind that this is not all muslims but the extremists and fanatics. These "honor killings" have occured more than just a few times in Scandinavia. It is a problem. Many girls are hiding and live in fear of being killed by their own family.

If I were briefed to defend the position of most of the posters here -- conformity to some subset of societal values -- and to attack Moslems for failing to abandon their religion and adopt this conformity instead, there are many things one might say.

But I'm not sure I'd feel I was presenting the best side of this religious position, by complaining that Islam is tough on porn. That, surely, is one of its virtues.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

I am an indian living in london, my parents came from india just before i was born, now if they want people like me to stick to the old tradition so much, they should not take us out to another country, another civilization, another society, expose us to people with a completely different set of values and expect us to stay the same! I think these people should take a test, with the first question. If your daughter disagrees with your lifestyle will you (a) try to understand where she is coming from and meet halfway or (b) choke her to death.

i tottaly agree tht killing is something really disgraceful and its completely forbidden in Islam. but if shes muslim she has to adhere to the islamic teachings. getting naked in public is not freedom , and as a matter of fact islam gives women their complete freedom but in the most proper way possible. and people who are against this amazing religion should learn more about it then they judge

Wait..... I though Muslim Porn had something to do with Camels.

But seriously.....This woman obviously is an independant thinker and deserves the right to be free from silly religious opression

Originally posted by Hellmutt
Porn star hunted by extremist Muslims...

You know what's funny?

I clicked this link and after seeing that picture, I realized I DLed a porn of her last week.



I dont want to post a link since I'm not sure about what the ATS policy on adult content is, but anyone can find it if you just google "winner of miss norway"...

It's a damn good porno.

I'd severe all contacts with my daughter if she ever did such a thing as this girl. No money for you (you shameful disgrace). Now don't start the "compassion" BS my daughter would be raised in wealth and luxury and that wouldn't stick. FACT

honour killings are a bull# exaggeration like this story by the west to make islam look bad. I as a Muslim, know that honuor killings are a Sin and nto tolerated...there are 1 billion muslims in the world, if a few do kill their daughters, they in NO WAY represent the majority...Its just like the pedophile priests...are they an accurate representation of christianity?
Besides, any father in his right mind would be disgraced to see his daughter doing pornography. And This girl isnt considered a muslim girl if she does pornogrpahy and therefore this point just ruins the credibility of the topic...and proves it is bias...she isnt muslim, she never was and never wil be...there are plenty or non muslim iranians..there are christians and bahri's to name a few...
finally she doesnt want to be considered an iranian or a muslim, look at what she said..she wants to be considered another nationality...
this topic is rubbish...

can you post a link to her work please