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Originally posted by DragonriderGal
reply to post by squandered
Sorry but I gotta scoot for the nite.. I'll get back tomorrow with my response. Sorry!
The spirit was completely innocent and was fully aware of itself. It simply informed me that it didn't want to grow up without a father and kindly wanted my help.
All I know is that the "child" contacted me, so there must be a reason. Maybe, I'll be in the position to ruin her (hopeless marriage).
Originally posted by squandered
Maybe, I'll be in the position to ruin her (hopeless marriage). Maybe my feelings for her will be requited and I should tread carefully, or perhaps I can help her grow into something that a mother should be instead of being promiscuous.
Originally posted by squandered
reply to post by DragonriderGal
Brilliant!
If not, then there isn't much you can or should do, especially if it will whack on your emotional health.
I've been known to channel her. She's put a stop to that but for a while I could almost tell what she was watching on TV and sex - what position she was in etc. I think he's used her channel. It took me while to realise that she was in the driving seat all along.
I caught myself wondering how a few quiet words like that could obligate me. If I entertain the little ones gestures (he's trying to lock onto me) he's gonna behave like every other kid, lol.
One good thing to come of this though, is you have the chance to explore and heal whatever reason there is for you to be so hooked by this person. Family of origin work should help place who she reminds you of and who you are really wishing you could save. Once you figure that out, a person like that won't have the same addictive appeal, and you'll be able to walk by any future relationships with this kind of hook, if that makes sense.
The person in question is every sociopath I've dealt with (for want of a better term) with one (father figure) above all the others - all like her. I've been pursuing the answers through her. I suspect that she created the connection by taking over a part of me - call it exposing a vulnerability but a gland is / was addicted to her and can react to her movements despite distance. She is spiritually powerful yet she is a step away from that part of her nature and doesn't recognise it. The person she represents herself as is nothing like the one behind the scene. She's been trying to corrupt me but the stuff that happens on a deeper level is outstanding!
I suspect that her strong suit, right now, really isn't working for her.
Wow, as a woman reading this I would say you don't care much for women do you? Thats the first thing I pick up off your post. That was pretty harsh what you said.
As for that kid thing.. it just feels fake to me somehow. Like it's hollow. Words suspended in mid air with no connection to reality. I can't get any sense of that experience you've talked about at all. Usually I can feel stuff to some degree.. which is why, at the beginning, I said I didn't get anything. I still don't, when it comes to that baby thing.
Originally posted by squandered
reply to post by DragonriderGal
As for that kid thing.. it just feels fake to me somehow. Like it's hollow. Words suspended in mid air with no connection to reality. I can't get any sense of that experience you've talked about at all. Usually I can feel stuff to some degree.. which is why, at the beginning, I said I didn't get anything. I still don't, when it comes to that baby thing.
I don't understand the kid thing either as it's like a dream. There really is no thread connecting it to anything. It's exactly like a powerful dream symbol. It took 2 seconds to happen and would take 10 pages to describe.
I'm not sure calling it fake is inaccurate. This business with her has been burning me up for years and many of your scenarios fit well. You missed the one about me not having the confidence to confront her with my feelings and her encouragements meeting resistance that I personally wished I didn't have.
Her energy... She mirrors mine and she knows exactly what she is doing. Our connection is not so easy to understand. I'm an artist and she started off as a client. It was the usual business with the client having a crush on the artist, only I had stronger romantic notions.
She lies and manipulates constantly. It took me years to realise. I always thought I was fooling myself but that's how she rolls. Any guy she is with is in the same boat. The things is, bad things haven't transpired. This is hard to explain but therein lies the attraction. I can attribute something to her efforts in regards to my health, business, confidence and general state of being - even if it's to spite her, there she is and God only knows what that brain can concoct.
What I will say is that she takes whatever is on offer and she is constantly being offered the world. She is unique and I've been trying to understand her. She positions herself in a total way. This is a woman who conforms completely yet puts no restrictions on her ego of any kind.
OKAY
This was about a little voice concerned about not having a daddy. I only assume this is her child. I can only go with my initial reaction and that is to 'let well enough alone'. It's safe to assume that the desired affect was instant anyway. I don't think it's as simple as "get away from mummy", or that all my coincidental hang-ups are playing with my psychology. For the purpose of it all, it may as well be as such because that's how it's playing out.
Initially I was merely excited about meeting him.
I think she has a powerful spirit in the background.
And the baby thing might just be something to get attention with. A bit of your own game with yourself, maybe?
Originally posted by squandered
reply to post by DragonriderGal
And the baby thing might just be something to get attention with. A bit of your own game with yourself, maybe?
No. I'm putting it down to something that I happened to witness which has already had it's affect. I'll talk with someone about this later. He'll be able to see a thread. My guess is that this will never be spoken of again.
The rest of what you said, yeah. I'm trying to be upfront so a lot of the issues are already obvious to me. Sometimes I feel like I can never again be affected by a situation like this.
There is a powerful spirit behind her and she does have amazing qualities that I admire on a very sane level. None of that means I should be close to her or that she has answers to my needs, I know. Her preferred demeanour just makes my needs greater. I'll call it motivation. At heart she has my best interests, I know this.
This thread has helped me with the romanticised addiction. I'm moving forward in many ways - from having a knot where I should be enjoying easy, generous feelings - I'm the only one preventing this, yes. The main issue was always being able to open myself up - to demand that I'm worth being taken seriously and she became a target because of her peculiarities that I mentioned above.
The underlying issue may stem from my childhood but in gaining clarity I feel like I am finally able to see how the whole thing was worth while, including a long history of guilt. Now I can see how so many people have lost hope and just accept that they are the bad guys when it's not actually their natural instinct.
Thank you for giving my thread some of your time and patience (especially since you don't accept the premise). Evidently this is what I wanted to talk about anyway.
Originally posted by squandered
reply to post by DragonriderGal
I have... moved on the issue
I was going backwards for a long time. I was more mature in my teens than I had become. She put up with the stupidity without letting me get away with it. To her I'm good at what I do and it attracts her, so that's the point from which my feelings grew. Through her I gained clarity as I had nothing to offer the other person. It actually works.
So I called him and he played his game and none of them worked. I sorted her out so she couldn't claim to be my superior I was behaving more-or-less normal. I may well have diminished my worth in her eyes by standing up to her but as providence would have it, I profited in other direction far beyond my own expectation. Without the extra drive nothing would have happened.
Something I haven't mentioned.
She came by (6 months back) and the jealousy started rising and I was like "huh, I'm already over that", then something came through my scalp down my body to my genitalia. I watched the same thinking move through her. I put up a block after the fact and looked inside to see an orange cone. I tried to block it because I didn't ask for it but all I did was hurt myself and I rubbed my head. She said "ah, you too". We both took credit for the spiritual powers, lol. (She had just spent a month mediating in a retreat). Whoever did that, may have had something to do the this.
Originally posted by squandered
reply to post by DragonriderGal
Thank you. If I'm in denial the two inexplicable occurrences aren't related. I'm trying to gain clarity. The child's voice suggests to me that with all things in life that there is far more going on than what meets the eye. I have absolutely no vested interest in making this argument.
I spend way too much focusing on my past. You have to deal with things in a sane way, otherwise you fester and I have been festering for too long. The cloud is lifting.
Here is a little poem I wrote about this topic.
................................................................
23 years since I threw the pieces into the air
23 years to see them self-assemble
23 years of wandering
God knows
Close the page
Watch the wheels turn
Breathe a long awaited sigh
No more need to wear their shame
Now everything has become as clear as day
Those thoughts that burned me, don't hurt me now
No longer do I need to crawl knowing that I was always safe
Re-embrace the feelings of loving kindness
Every dream and every hope has been honoured
If needs must, needs will-out, and all will be made right
Are you still 23??
I saw this lack of understanding in my masters program where the younger folks just couldn't get the whole concept of FOO
I guess I should have suspected you were still a young pup. So much of what you say is kind of floaty and disconnected
Originally posted by squandered
reply to post by DragonriderGal
Are you still 23??
NO!!!
Lol, I'm serious with the # 23. You can take me quite literally. I was a well adjusted kid but some events in my family when I was a teenager were all too much and I seriously felt like I had no control or cohesion. I saw myself throwing all the pieces into the for safe keeping! Of all things!! At that stage every one close to me was literally paying out on me. I was the youngest and most trusting and I clearly remember walking up a hill saying "that's it" I will watch these pieces land and organise them myself - thinking ahead 20 years.
At 23 I was a terrible boyfriend to a beautiful and loyal girl from a loving family. Life was a matter of extremes back them and I was still winding up for bigger extremes.
I saw this lack of understanding in my masters program where the younger folks just couldn't get the whole concept of FOO
I had a car accident and broke my back but in hospital I actually felt that the injury was insignificant to the troubles with myself and my dad - worse for me. He was on a pedestal until I was well into my 30's. Well, it took 23 years....
I had decided way back when, that things become more than what they are after the fact. I often wished I had left home much younger. I think the FOO business is actually complex.
I guess I should have suspected you were still a young pup. So much of what you say is kind of floaty and disconnected
Lol, ah luv ya
You should have seen me when I was actually 23 then :-)