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"GOP: No tax hikes -- except for the poor"

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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by Obamas2ndTerm
reply to post by wardk28
 


The poor do pay taxes, the poor pay taxes every time they fill their gas tanks, every time they buy anything that isn't food, every time they get a paycheck. The poor pay taxes. It's only a Conservative misnomer that the poor don't pay anything in taxes.

See, this is how they get you to justify raising taxes on the poor, they make you believe that the poor pay no taxes when it's simply not true.


When someone says, "50% of the people don't pay tax", someone always jumps in with your argument. A smidgen, a spot, maybe a tittle, of intelligence tells a person that they mean "50% of wage earners don't pay income tax."

That argument is getting a bit old. But it's still funny, though, because when people put it precisely and say "income tax" instead of just "tax", those pesky facts get in the way and the argument from the left seems to dribble away. Leaving sweet silence.

/TOA




posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
So, let me get this straight.

I pay 25% of my income into taxes. I pay another 11% toward health insurance for my family. I put another 15% into my retirement fund. That leaves me with 49% of my income to go toward savings and checking to pay bills. I took my FIRST family vacation in 8 years last July.

So, you're telling me that I need to pay MORE in taxes? Isn't my 25% enough? Tell me, what did the crack whore, or white trash hooker do to deserve taking MORE of my money? Why should I have to pay for them to do drugs, crank out kids like rabbits, and sit around and smoke cigarettes? That 25% should be reduced to maybe, MAYBE 10% at the MOST! I'm sick of paying for people who want to sit on their asses and blame someone else for their woes.

I recently got an $11,000 bonus. The first bonus in 6 years at my company. The "gubment" took 35% of it! Now, tell me, what scumbag on welfare worked 7 days a week for 2-1/2 years to earn MY money? I know I worked that. What scumbag welfare leach missed their son's 16h birthday, their son's promotion to black belt? I did. Yet, these people think they deserve money I worked for? And they want more? Bull#.

I'm a non-degreed engineer. I joined the Navy out of high school, got an education there, and worked my way up from an electronics technician. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING was given to me. I earned everything. Now that I'm making six figures, you people think I make too much? You people think I should give my money to a crack whore? No thanks!

How much is "too much"? What income level is "okay" with you thieves? Put a figure out there. Let us know how much money an individual should be allowed to earn before you think it's "too much". $20k? $30k? $100k? What's your number? And, what's the incentive at that point to do anything but sit on our asses and get fat? Is that the Utopia you're shooting for? This is why I'm saving as much as I can, so I can get "off grid" eventually and be done with psychos like you, who want to steal other people's money that they work hard for.


Hey man, I think you really do not have to pay more taxes !!! you already pay enough !!! but who do you think wants you to pay more taxes ??? tell me, who ?? we can NOT consider someone like you to be RICH !!!
is that clear ??
RICH = for me it is someone that can live with the intrest of his capital = means = someone having at least 5.000.000 $$ in the bank and a big home of his own .... 5.000.000 % at 5 % = 250.000 $ /year = 21.000 $$ a month ...... that is being rich man !! a normal person gets some 2.000 $ a month ??...
So, the one with 21.000 can pay more taxes no ??? why not 25 % like you ??? does he pay 25 % ??
sure he doesn't, he pays very little but I do NOT know exactly what % sorry.
That is being rich and getting tax cuts from GWBush .... nobody wants you to pay more taxes, just the richest ones a big bit more !!!

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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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reply to post by The Old American
 


Are you insinuating that I have no intelligence? What a trollish thing to say.

However, ignoring that trollish remark, I'll reiterate, that people who are poor, do indeed pay income tax. A single person making below the poverty level will indeed pay income tax on his 1040 EZ form, he will get back a sizable percentage of that tax, but some of it actually goes to the Federal Government.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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Your ignorance of the tax law is obvious. I am so tired of Lib cry babies. BO and Dems have done more short and long term damage in 2 years that rep in the past 2 decades.

2011 tax rates:

Tax Single Married Filing Married Filing Head of Household
Rate Joint Separate
10% Up to $8,500 Up to $17,000 Up to $8,500 Up to $12,150
15% $8,501 – $34,500 $17,001 – $69,000 $8,501 – $34,500 $12,151 – $46,250
25% $34,501 – $83,600 $69,001 – $139,350 $34,501 – $69,675 $46,251 – $119,400
28% $83,601 – $174,400 $139,351 – $212,300 $69,676 – $106,150 $119,401 – $193,350
33% $174,401 – $379,150 $212,301 – $379,150 $106,151 – $189,575 $193,351 – $379,150
35% Over $379,150 Over $379,150 Over $189,575 Over $379,150

So Rich people pay a tax rate 3 time larger than poor people. What are you crying about. OH! New idea for the Democrats. Rich people should have to pay 3 times more for for gas, bread, food, and shelter than poor people.

OH! I have another idea a rich Democrats must give all belonging's to poor people until they are offically poor. There can not be any democrats that are rich. No democrat can make more than $12,150 a year and can own a 15 year old car only.

I have a jobs works bill for the democrats. I feel that there is a terrible problem with sewage and waste. Because of this increasing problem I think an official butt wiper should be assigned to every home in America. I could save the economy.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by shtf2012
 


i must have a different definition of what the word meek means.


yep i remember right they are the ones who dont covent someone elses property (money)and going and tax the rich tax the rich.



You know i have seen the poor and the rich side of life myself.
Never complained about taxes in my life even though as a single man i had no tax breaks to take advantage of much.
And am probably in a higher tax bracket than most.
I just don't understand people like you and others that make such a big deal of it.
As long as i have food ,shelter i am content to know that some of my taxes were going to help those less fortunate.
I know the system is manipulated by some people.
But for others they need the services that our taxes provide.
But with some of you people the greed just seeps out of every thing you utter.
My friend in the end we all put on our britches the same.
And in this big old world there has to be have nots so that you and i can have.
Be thankful and have some humility ..... or don't, it is after all your soul.
Money ain't gonna help you with the big guy though.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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I can't believe how blatant and in your face these so called representatives of the people are flaunting their lack of concern for the common person in the US. What is even more absurd is the common folks who still support these criminals and blame the other side for the problems that have come about.
This issue also brings to mind the propaganda that I am sure most of you have seen stating that the poor aren't really poor because they have such fantastic technology like refrigerators or microwaves or a TV.
It is sickening that the super rich are trying to put the blame on the poor and are doing everything in their power to accelerate the growing gap between the two.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by rgzing
reply to post by inforeal
 


Your ignorance of the tax law is obvious. I am so tired of Lib cry babies. BO and Dems have done more short and long term damage in 2 years that rep in the past 2 decades.

2011 tax rates:

Tax Single Married Filing Married Filing Head of Household
Rate Joint Separate
10% Up to $8,500 Up to $17,000 Up to $8,500 Up to $12,150
15% $8,501 – $34,500 $17,001 – $69,000 $8,501 – $34,500 $12,151 – $46,250
25% $34,501 – $83,600 $69,001 – $139,350 $34,501 – $69,675 $46,251 – $119,400
28% $83,601 – $174,400 $139,351 – $212,300 $69,676 – $106,150 $119,401 – $193,350
33% $174,401 – $379,150 $212,301 – $379,150 $106,151 – $189,575 $193,351 – $379,150
35% Over $379,150 Over $379,150 Over $189,575 Over $379,150

So Rich people pay a tax rate 3 time larger than poor people. What are you crying about. OH! New idea for the Democrats. Rich people should have to pay 3 times more for for gas, bread, food, and shelter than poor people.

OH! I have another idea a rich Democrats must give all belonging's to poor people until they are offically poor. There can not be any democrats that are rich. No democrat can make more than $12,150 a year and can own a 15 year old car only.

I have a jobs works bill for the democrats. I feel that there is a terrible problem with sewage and waste. Because of this increasing problem I think an official butt wiper should be assigned to every home in America. I could save the economy.




Ill add to your post.


When it comes to donations and charity, Republicans donate and contribute almost twice as much as liberals. Proving once again how liberals are Hypocrytes and liars.

Here is the article



Republicans give more than twice what Democrats give in charitable contributions.


In 2008 Arthur C. Brooks wrote a book that included information on this very question and found that even though on average Democrat households have higher incomes, the Republican or Conservative households donate more of their income. Republicans also donate more blood as well.


www.realclearpolitics.com...


Read more: wiki.answers.com...




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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Gorman, were you under the impression that Gates is a true philanthropist when he throws 10 billion into vaccinating people in third world countries? He is very big into depopulation agendas. Vaccination is just his favorite way of downsizing humans.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by Obamas2ndTerm
reply to post by wardk28
 


The poor do pay taxes, the poor pay taxes every time they fill their gas tanks, every time they buy anything that isn't food, every time they get a paycheck. The poor pay taxes. It's only a Conservative misnomer that the poor don't pay anything in taxes.

See, this is how they get you to justify raising taxes on the poor, they make you believe that the poor pay no taxes when it's simply not true.


When someone says, "50% of the people don't pay tax", someone always jumps in with your argument. A smidgen, a spot, maybe a tittle, of intelligence tells a person that they mean "50% of wage earners don't pay income tax."

That argument is getting a bit old. But it's still funny, though, because when people put it precisely and say "income tax" instead of just "tax", those pesky facts get in the way and the argument from the left seems to dribble away. Leaving sweet silence.

/TOA




Lets see you retort this:

If 50% of wage earners don't pay income tax what does that say about their wage? It says that they make so little money..............here it comes.............................that they shouldn't have to pay any taxes!!!!!

It really isn't hard...



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Its not that they make so little. Its that most dont make anything at all, wellfare, ssi, food stamps, etc.
This is turning into a nation of freeloaders, and its the riches fault. After all, they pay for 90% of it all.


USA becomes Food Stamp Nation but is it sustainable?

news.yahoo.com...



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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I'm not buying it. He funds such things. He doesn't do it. At least I've ever heard a direct quote of him saying go forth and depopulate the Earth by force. He's like the lot of the rich. Lots of words, but no say.

Those vaccines are not doing much at all for sterilization. If anything they are having the opposite effect. Africa's population continues to explode and be one of the fastest growing ones on Earth. It does not have a united government like China, so population control is impossible. It does not have a common culture, so cooperation is impossible. Africa is a land of violence and everlasting war as a result of Colonization, and if those wars stop, and everyone's vaccinated, the population will explode tenfold.

I can tell you that much. Africa will be a source of much argument in the future. Would not be surprised to see a lot of deals between the African Union and China. China has excess males, Africa has a few nations with excess females. When all is said and done with its wars, a lot of men will be dead, with a lot of widows. The two can solve their own problems.
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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 


Its not that they make so little. Its that most dont make anything at all, wellfare, ssi, food stamps, etc.
This is turning into a nation of freeloaders, and its the riches fault. After all, they pay for 90% of it all.


USA becomes Food Stamp Nation but is it sustainable?

news.yahoo.com...




Again, you're missing the forest.

If it were as you state, they make nothing......WHAT do you expect them to pay taxes with, foodstamps?

How would it look if the husband were the sole provider of a family, the wife doesn't work. What is HER income? How will she pay for anything...when her husband holds all the money?

Even better...

If you have three children and send them all to the store. You give the oldest $20 for all three of them. Who is going to pay for their goodies when they get to the counter and WHY? I'll answer for you: The one you gave the $20 to will pay for all three because HE HAS THE MONEY.

The rich should have to pay for everyone because THEY HAVE THE MONEY!!!! If they don't want to pay for everyone they should insure the money is distributed about so that everyone has money and can pay for themselves. Currently, they are sitting on mountains of money complaining (and having crazy poor people complain for them) about having to pay for everything. Well duhhh....what is everyone supposed to do pull money from out their arse?

If your oldest doesn't want to pay for his siblings goodies he has to break the $20 and give them their own money. Or are they supposed to pull money from out their arse?



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by beezzer
 


the earth the trees and the plants and bugs are people man

its funny how that works isnt it

all those have a persons rights hence they are people

but corporations cant be deemed a person.

typical hypocrites.
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The Earth has human rights?

No, apparently, the only right the Earth has is to be abused by idiots who forget that we have to
live here.

Tell me how a corporation is a person, Neo?






People are not forgetting that we live here, but just drive outside of town some time and observe the large amounts of unpopulated areas of forest, plains, mountains, and you will see that the environmentalists have overblown certain things, and Al Gore's CO2 theory is totally bogus, so bogus that even he put a mansion right on the beachfront because he knows the oceans are not going to rise. When our stupid politicians and the Environmentalists get together they do stupid things like give our land to the UN for safekeeping. I feel so much better knowing that Koffi Anan has control over Yellowstone National Park and certain buffer zones around it.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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How can anyone assume the oceans won't rise? We are discovering entire cities that were submerged by the ocean.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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Your logic is faulty. Last time I checked, Warren Buffet was not my family member, and I am not his responsibility.As much as I dislike the man for his abuse of power and his association with POTUS in dirty dealings (yes he has insurance dealings he benefited from Obamas policies), it is not his responsibility to take care of me.
He will one day karmically pay for his abuses, but that is another story for another day.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


How can anyone assume the oceans won't rise? We are discovering entire cities that were submerged by the ocean.



You are referring to Atlantis of course, and Lemuria. That is another story. But Al Gore's little theory is full of holes and he knows it and that is why he put a mansion on the beach.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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i see a bunch of souless people who keeps draining the water supply til nothing remians

and shouts at the top of their voices i want my free crap and theres hardly anyone left to take from.

and then they will come for you.

i remember america back in the day where a man asked for nothing but to be left alone and live how he sees fit

what american has become is a bunch of people pushing a souless government for a souless greed of people who are either too stupid or too lazy to make it on their own.

thats the country we live in today and that is what is destroying it.

how did americans ever make it before the entitlement mentality came around seems to me americans were richer and smarter til the push for big government tax and spenders came along.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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No, this is not about helping the poor and disenfranchised. Republicans do give to charity and lots. They just prefer not to have money forcibly taken from them. That is the diffierence between true charity and the bs of the Democrat Party Socialism that masquerades as caring for the poor. Printing money like Niagra falls and devaluing the dollar ultimately hurts the poor more than it does the rich.
Also, the money is not just going to help the poor. It is being diverted in many many other ways. For Instance, the Stimulus goes into bureaucratic enforcement of HIPAA laws and upgrading databases so that Big Brother can monitor all of our electronic health records. It's more Socialism and very Orwellian. Think I'm kidding? I'm not.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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Classic over emotional leftist outright lies. You, OP, are using the class warfare talking points to speak half truths and twist facts. Obama does not want to save the middle class or poor. He is not the answer to any problem by raising taxes on anyone. Raising taxes on the "rich" will cause alot of small business owners to FIRE people because the govt is taking that paycheck from the business owner. Tax breaks and loopholes are written by the same politicians that fool you into thinking they care about you. A flat tax/fair tax system should be implimented and make a concrete corporate flat tax rate. That way everybody pays taxes. Who would impliment a tax system like that? The REAL tea party...not the one that exists in your little world that is created by the MSM and your democrat zombie makers.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Your logic is faulty. Last time I checked, Warren Buffet was not my family member, and I am not his responsibility.As much as I dislike the man for his abuse of power and his association with POTUS in dirty dealings (yes he has insurance dealings he benefited from Obamas policies), it is not his responsibility to take care of me.
He will one day karmically pay for his abuses, but that is another story for another day.




Tsk, tsk, tsk!

Glancing at your avatar I presume you consider yourself elevated and perhaps looks up to Atlantis? Generally such a person is spiritually developed.

Someone spiritually developed is aware that indeed we are all family members (in fact we are all one entity) and are responsible for each other. That's right, you're sharing this plane with over 3 billion versions of YOU!

My analogy still stands: Anytime there is a group of people, the one with the money must pay for everyone or else give everyone their own money. There isn't any way around that.



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