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"GOP: No tax hikes -- except for the poor"

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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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When we decided to live in complex cities with garbage removal, school systems, police departments, paved roads, skyscrapers, technology such as internet, etc.

What you propose is possible if we all still lived in a log cabin we built ourselves and raised/grew our own food. Somewhere along the line we decided to progress and evolve.

Why are you attempting to return to a much simpler time (life in the womb) when you should focus on developing as a actual organism. Can't go back in once you get out...




posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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Big government "tax and spenders" came around in the 30s and even earlier. You were certainly not around to remember what life was like for adult Americans before the age of "big government."



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by ISHAMAGI
And people wonder why the middle and lower class vote Democrat.

I've long said both Democrats and Republicans will tax you to death but at least the Democrats will give you something for it. This article illustrates exactly why I can't understand how everyday people vote Republican.

When someone tells me their Republican I ask "Are you rich?" If they answer yes then I say "At least you have a good excuse."


Because the Demoncrats are male hating bigots. I could make the argument that being a Caucasian male is worse but the only difference between Caucasian American males and African American males is that atleast the Democrats are upfront with the fact that they hate us.

Look at the stimulus, who got it? White women and bankers.

Healthcare legislation; who benefits? White women and bankers.

The democrats still stand for "white" aka Anglo Scott Irish supremacy, just of the Matriarchal kind. And if voting Republican means the death of the tyrannical American Matriarchy then so be it. Sometimes I think TPTB are right for wanting to wipe out all you male hating bigots.

Sure they might use the media to peddle misandry but it doesn't mean you ignorant sod's have to lap it up.

www.the-spearhead.com...

That said though I can imagine another round of purging in the Republican Party soon.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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what i propose it a returnn for self reliance and how has all that worked out for everyone but made them more poor and more dependent upon government.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:09 PM
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great that you bring up the 30s and the new deal and governemnt creations of fanny and social security.

policies that have made people dependent upon the government instead of themsevles.

it is all about the money and we dont have it.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by neo96
 


When we decided to live in complex cities with garbage removal, school systems, police departments, paved roads, skyscrapers, technology such as internet, etc.

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You left out the part where we decided that half of the country should work while the other half leeches.

The main problem today is that an average joe will lose around 1/3rd of their paycheck to the government. So for a 1/3rd of your work life, time, is spent working for the government to subsidize bad behavior.

A third of a check for the middle class and the rich are two different things. After that third is taken out the middle class joe might not be able to pay all his bills while the rich guy is eating caviar. The poor guy gets a check in the mail that came from both the middle and rich joes. Why are we attacking rich joe instead of making lazy joe get an effing job?

Here is how we fix the economy. STOP TAXING INCOME. Now people will actually have money to pay their bills. Middle class will actually start spending money again which will increase sales tax revenue. Increasing revenue by taxing more income is just stupid. The only reason we have to do it today is so that lazy joe gets free internet and cell phones with their free meals and house.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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you are misinformed. The wealthy pay on average 18% according to Forbes. The middle classes, when you add 15.3% to the tax tables you show, gives them a tax rate in the 30-40% range. The difference between what the middle classes pay (higher) and the wealthy classes pay (lower) is an entitlement for the wealthy, if you believe in a flat tax.
The wealthy have special tax breaks for capital gains and dividends, where they get most of their income.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:21 PM
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What if that group does not believe in money, or they collectivize it.

There very much so are ways around it. And I don't really see how spiritualism has anything to do with it. After all, if anything spiritual could be actually observed, you could alter it. And if you could alter it, destroy it. That makes the spirit as useless and pointless as a grain of grass, bound to dust from whence it came.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by neo96
 


When we decided to live in complex cities with garbage removal, school systems, police departments, paved roads, skyscrapers, technology such as internet, etc.

What you propose is possible if we all still lived in a log cabin we built ourselves and raised/grew our own food. Somewhere along the line we decided to progress and evolve.

Why are you attempting to return to a much simpler time (life in the womb) when you should focus on developing as a actual organism. Can't go back in once you get out...


The only way forward really is to become a partial constitutional communist society. All the government has to do is nationalize ALL corporations. Only allow private businesses with unlimited liability(but low taxes). Since the corporations lied, and are cheating Americans out of billions of tax payer monies they no longer deserve to exist.

I am going to call all the "free capital" and other "libertarians" here liars/useful idiots. Corporations once upon a time where given limited liability in exchange for WAY HIGHER TAXES! While private businesses paid lower taxes but had unlimited liability.

That said I still think this civilization should be destroyed; because let's face it, most are nothing more then mindless non-sentient animals(the majority of the population). I call many animals because they are bound by petty chauvinism like an animal is bound to instinct. And as animals they are simply consuming too much resources. Of course things would be different if they were sentient biological organisms but sadly that is not the case.

And what is worse, the vast majority have no intention of ever evolving beyond being simple animals. Things like conscience, morality and fairness are utterly over-ridden by basic biological/animalistic instincts. Everytime a human animal takes pride in the fact that they are nothing more(nor will ever be) anything other than an animal I cry a little inside. So much wasted potential.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:27 PM
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Where in the world is this system of self-reliance?
Places like Somalia and Afghanistan.

We live in a post-modern civilization where going out and shooting rabbits and building log cabins like Daniel Boone is passé. People grow up in a civilization of towns and cities and go to school to be trained to live and work in a modern system of cooperation and where people have to rely not only on the government but Industry, agriculture, politics, and other intuitions of interdependence.

I am afraid your ideas are anachronistic, because NO ONE is and can be totally self reliant unless they want to go off in the woods and live by themselves

Good luck
But watch out for the wolves and rattlesnkes becasue republicans even get out there somtimes like vice president Dick Cheney and ex-president Bush.
edit on 23-8-2011 by inforeal because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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The numbers don't lie. Tax revenues went up after the tax cuts were put in place. The money didn't come from the taxes that were cut, it came from the fact more people were put to work. Not really a hard concept to grasp. Just because someone makes 20k a year, doesn't mean they should be exempt from paying anything. You know what would be really fair? A national sales tax of 22% on all consumer products. This covers the majority of Americans and make sure everyone is paying their fair share.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 



what i propose it a returnn for self reliance and how has all that worked out for everyone but made them more poor and more dependent upon government.


Self reliance like in no public education, road and rail systems, CDC, product testing, FAA, FDA and other agencies that protect the public.

How could we fight our wars without a government that knows best how to spend our tax dollars helping those scum that profit in blood and lives of our youth.


costofwar.com...

There's where the waste of tax dollars is going but you want to blame it on the poor.....



edit on 23-8-2011 by whaaa because: code v7v



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Gorman, were you under the impression that Gates is a true philanthropist when he throws 10 billion into vaccinating people in third world countries? He is very big into depopulation agendas. Vaccination is just his favorite way of downsizing humans.


You know this to be fact?? Where is your source? I'd say this is one steaming pile of hearsay.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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i see a bunch of souless people who keeps draining the water supply til nothing remians

and shouts at the top of their voices i want my free crap and theres hardly anyone left to take from.

and then they will come for you.

i remember america back in the day where a man asked for nothing but to be left alone and live how he sees fit

what american has become is a bunch of people pushing a souless government for a souless greed of people who are either too stupid or too lazy to make it on their own.

thats the country we live in today and that is what is destroying it.

how did americans ever make it before the entitlement mentality came around seems to me americans were richer and smarter til the push for big government tax and spenders came along.





What you have is a bunch of people, who never really grew up, like DZAG, who still think mommy and daddy should provide, and that they still have no responsibilities, other than taking from what somebody else earned. How anybody could ask for a hand out is beyond me. How anybody could continuously ask for a hand out is pathetic



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by wardk28
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The numbers don't lie. Tax revenues went up after the tax cuts were put in place. The money didn't come from the taxes that were cut, it came from the fact more people were put to work. Not really a hard concept to grasp. Just because someone makes 20k a year, doesn't mean they should be exempt from paying anything. You know what would be really fair? A national sales tax of 22% on all consumer products. This covers the majority of Americans and make sure everyone is paying their fair share.


Exactly. And I hope you meant that the national VAT would replace income tax...?



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by neo96
 


Where in the world is this system of self-reliance?
Places like Somalia and Afghanistan.

We live in a post-modern civilization where going out and shooting rabbits and building log cabins like Daniel Boone is passé. People grow up in a civilization of towns and cities and go to school to be trained to live and work in a modern system of cooperation and where people have to rely not only on the government but Industry, agriculture, politics, and other intuitions of interdependence.

I am afraid your ideas are anachronistic, because NO ONE is and can be totally self reliant unless they want to go off in the woods and live by themselves

Good luck
But watch out for the wolves and rattlesnkes becasue republicans even get out there somtimes like vice president Dick Cheney and ex-president Bush.
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thanks info appreciate that and please englighten what somalia and afghanistan have anything to do with your op as in the gop "Raising taxes"



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 



what i propose it a returnn for self reliance and how has all that worked out for everyone but made them more poor and more dependent upon government.


Self reliance like in no public education, road and rail systems, CDC, product testing, FAA, FDA and other agencies that protect the public.

How could we fight our wars without a government that knows best how to spend our tax dollars helping those scum that profit in blood and lives of our youth.


costofwar.com...

There's where the waste of tax dollars is going but you want to blame it on the poor.....



edit on 23-8-2011 by whaaa because: code v7v


everyone has links heres one for you as well but i bet you wont bother looking at it.

www.usdebtclock.org...

so lets do the math

15 trillion social security liability
20 trillion on the presecription drug plan liability
79 trillion in medicare liability

for a grand total of over $115 trillion of liabilites which means unfunded which means the government has made 115 trillion dollars in promises it has no way in hell to ever pay for.

and your talk to me about chump change of the cost of war.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 05:11 PM
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Right, we're just a bunch of moochers who want handouts.....

The poor people need to suck it up, keep funding trillion dollar wars, let the rich people hoard their money and STFU! They're so annoying, always asking for money: "Mommy, daddy, we're $14 trillion dollars in debt, the country needs your money to keeps funding the wars!", and the rich people are like "This is MY money, I earned/inherited it ya lousy fools! I don't care if you lose your house, leave me alone, I have stacks of money to count!"

:shk:
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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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because they indoctrinate in schools film and tv that the government is here to save them.

they arent rocket scientists and apparently they cant add either.

everyone with half a brain knows you cant spend more than you make that is unless government is their savoir.



"I am a Liberal, and I am a devout Liberal. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Government. I believe that that government gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Government set by stealing from the evil rich and feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church of government' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Government in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals." Liberal prayer 2011


the above is what you and i are fighting agianst.


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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Your logic is faulty. Last time I checked, Warren Buffet was not my family member, and I am not his responsibility.As much as I dislike the man for his abuse of power and his association with POTUS in dirty dealings (yes he has insurance dealings he benefited from Obamas policies), it is not his responsibility to take care of me.
He will one day karmically pay for his abuses, but that is another story for another day.




Tsk, tsk, tsk!

Glancing at your avatar I presume you consider yourself elevated and perhaps looks up to Atlantis? Generally such a person is spiritually developed.

Someone spiritually developed is aware that indeed we are all family members (in fact we are all one entity) and are responsible for each other. That's right, you're sharing this plane with over 3 billion versions of YOU!

My analogy still stands: Anytime there is a group of people, the one with the money must pay for everyone or else give everyone their own money. There isn't any way around that.


bullcrap... if I earn the money, you and the rest of the slackers have no right to what I've earned. If you can't go out and earn you own keep, then sit in the gutter and die for all I care. Those that actually work to support themselves and their families owe nothing to anyone. They can freely donate to whomever they wish but you aren't entitled to anything they have. This entitlement mentality is what got us into this mess in the first place.

There are millions of ways to better yourself and support yourself and your family... ranging from getting an education (yes you can learn stuff for free) to finding a job no matter how low on the pay scale to starting your own business. There's no excuse for an able bodied person to not earn their own keep. For those truly in need, we have charities.



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