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reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 08:56 PM by Kitilani

Originally posted by neo96
i love this thread its a classic example of american politics.

stop blaming obama? when hell freezes over he owns it and has since he was elected.

Your reading comprehension quite frankly sucks. No one said stop blaming Obama.

people bring up bush for the deflection tactic.

Or because he actually deserves a good chunk of that blame. Tell me Bush did a great job and left us in great shape. Say it.

When you sit around blaming Obama for EVERYTHING under the sun, the only people that lose out are all of us. When you blame Obama for things say Republicans did and then punish him be electing Republicans, what happens?

Why is the word "Everything" causing many of you so much trouble?

Do you honestly believe blaming any one man for anything and everything that has ever happened is productive?

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 08:57 PM by neo96

reply to post by Ghost375

dodd frank act
consumer protection agency act
care act
numerous "czars"
took over education loans.
the super congress

and the soon to be "department of jods"

lets take the first 2 the fanny and freddy and everyone gets a free home and the manipulatin of the mortgage industry by the government hand and then created more government control as per the frank dodd act of recent.

then the consumber protection agency picks up where the federal reserve leaves off yet another creation by the democrats.

educational loans costs now execeed what the money spent will yeild in yearly salaries.

and lets not forget the supercongress who now has to power to cut whatever it sees fit.

so YEAH ADDED MORE POWER!!!!!!

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 08:58 PM by alexbassguy

reply to post by Fromabove

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but besides perhaps the weather, these are all things that created huge waves that prevent things from getting done, particularly the '10 elections. I agree with you, he's never so much as run a book club - again, HE'S NOT ALL THAT GREAT. Just saying - can one man really create $14.3 trillion in debt, crash the dollar, bankrupt the American public, create one of the most corporately corrupt governing bodies in history, and single-handedly destroy the most powerful nation in the world... in THREE YEARS with NO HELP AT ALL???

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 08:59 PM by neo96

reply to post by Kitilani

my reading and comprehension skills are fine

what is apparently lacking in this thread is reading and comprehending ats terms of your conduct.

i suggest reading them.

every single post is nothing but a personal attack from you

i have better things to do with my time than respond to that nonsense.

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:04 PM by CriticalCK

Originally posted by Fromabove

If it weren't for that, it would be his fault. It would have been because he's never run or owed a business. He's never been a leader such as even the mayor of a small town. He's not done or accomplished much of anything. If it just wasn't because of everything and everybody else.

funny, the politicians who ran or owed business are completely undesirable. running a country is completely different, it requires macroeconomic understanding and welfare maximization, whereas running business requires microeconomic knowledge, if at all, and profit maximization.
the overpresentation of business in us politics is poison to american welfare. revolving doors between politics and business is to blame for the poor living standards among the broad population.

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:04 PM by Kitilani

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Kitilani

my reading and comprehension skills are fine

Then your post was woefully ignorant or at best, off topic. This is about not blaming Obama for EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN.

If you really feel it helps to blame Obama for things other people did, missing socks, you not seeing that game the other night, etc. then you are not going to do anything to help anything. You are just going to sit around blaming people for things. If you think that works, great. Unfortunately the thread says stop blaming Obama for EVERYTHING. It does not say NEVER BLAME OBAMA FOR ANYTHING.

Why you could not get that right if you read it is beyond me.

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:05 PM by EagleTalonZ

Originally posted by Ghost375
I hate to break it to you, Obama isn't trying to take away your guns so he can install socialism..despite what your masters(Fox News and the corporations) tell you.

I'll let you read the article and you can decide for yourself how legit your statement is.
U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

Just food for thought but Bush opposed the treaty. Obama and his cabinet support the UN treaty. The NRA stands adamantly opposed to it and it clearly upset 2nd Amendment advocates.

Originally posted by alexbassguy
Okay, another thing I'm hearing here - four new wars? Where, exactly? Supporting NATO actions in Libya and Syria was not a good idea, agreed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but - I wouldn't call these 'wars' by any stretch - is there an exclusive US occupation going on? I don't think so. And where else are we engaged that I haven't heard about?

Would the U.S. not consider it a war of a foreign nation was bombing us? Our involvements in these wars, NATO/UN approval or not, is clearly an act of war. We considered airplanes crashing into buildings an act of war. Clearly we have double standards it seems.

Just to clear it up though:

US Bombs Libya

US Drone Attack in Pakistan kills 15

US Drone Targets Two Leaders of Somalia Group...

U.S. Resumes Missle Attacks in Yemen

So in addition to Iraq and Afghanistan, add these four that Obama authorized. There you have it.

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:05 PM by alexbassguy

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Ghost375

dodd frank act
consumer protection agency act
care act
numerous "czars"
took over education loans.
the super congress

Dodd-Frank Act - passed because 2000-2004 Congress created many loopholes to create the lending crisis you were referring to. Don't know if you know this, but all of that happened under Bush, around 6 years ago, and can be directly attributed to lax lending laws instated in that time period. The DF Act was instilled to prevent such an occurrence in the future.

CPA Act - Yes, new comitees are never good or cheap. It would be nice if Wall Street wasn't so f***** up that we had to install a video camera in its room.

Care Act - null point, not even really his doing

Czars - OK, here's one I'll give you. Silliness.

Education loans - Not sure what you're getting at here, it merely locks the interest rates so the Fed can't jack our students out of thousands.

Super Congress - see CPA Act

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:08 PM by alexbassguy

reply to post by EagleTalonZ

OK, fair enough, absolutely. All acts of war, without a doubt. But I don't entirely blame him, simply because the primary prerogative of American foreign policy since the 40's has been 'Let's play World Cop!'. He's simply following the status quo - again, NOT A GOOD THING - but not really surprising or out of the question. As far as the world's concerned, that's our job. Which is why I'm a huge RP fan. Cut that **** out. And as for the arms treaty issue - that's totally out of Obama's hands. Yell at HilDogg for that one. I completely support second amnd rights - the UN should never dictate our domestic arms policies, that's just ludicrous.

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reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:12 PM by Ghost375

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Ghost375

dodd frank act
consumer protection agency act
care act
numerous "czars"
took over education loans.
the super congress

and the soon to be "department of jods"

lets take the first 2 the fanny and freddy and everyone gets a free home and the manipulatin of the mortgage industry by the government hand and then created more government control as per the frank dodd act of recent.

then the consumber protection agency picks up where the federal reserve leaves off yet another creation by the democrats.

educational loans costs now execeed what the money spent will yeild in yearly salaries.

and lets not forget the supercongress who now has to power to cut whatever it sees fit.

so YEAH ADDED MORE POWER!!!!!!

Care act: "This bipartisan legislation clarifies that states continue to have the authority to make their own alcohol-related decisions as enshrined in the U.S. Constitution and protects against supplier discrimination – as consistent with Supreme Court ruling. The CARE Act reaffirms WHO should make decisions regarding alcohol regulation, not WHAT those decisions should be"
seems to make sure that the states keep their powers...

Czars: We all know Republicans started the Czar trend, but I shouldn't be blaming them. Care to cite how many czars and what powers they actually hold?

Super Congress: created by Congress the night before we default on our debts. If the president didn't sign, DOOM! hehe, kidding but not really.

Dodd-Frank bill: as far as we know, this bill was designed to protect consumers. So unless you can find some real facts from the bill...your only complaints with this bill are conspiracy theories(key word is theory).
And in case you didn't realize, we HAVE to regulate the SICKOS who are in charge of our financial institutions. They do some messed up stuff when they aren't regulated.

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:12 PM by johnsmanville

He is the captain of the ship.
A very unskilled captain.
It is the goal of Obama to have the
American citizens be completely
dependent on government in hopes
of never losing control of this country.
Steering this country the WRONG way..

The presidents are the fall out boys.

Obama is our fall out boy
and he is doing a terrible job
in over three years, the country
has went WAY down hill..

Stop pointing fingers every which way but Obama..

Yes it is his fault because of his policies.

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:15 PM by syrinx high priest

the republicans were so ashamed of bush, they are just lashing out like children now

the funny part is when they criticize obama over libya, a page right out of their own book

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:15 PM by alexbassguy

reply to post by johnsmanville

*sigh*, how many times must I say this....

Which policies?

When?

How?

What do you constitute as 'going downhill', and how can you relate it to things Obama has done?

If you can't answer these, you're no better than Bachmann on Meet the Press. (Did anyone see that? Good God, she's scary.)

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:19 PM by Annee

Originally posted by alexbassguy
Fair enough point. But how do you think he played into it? From my perspective, he's just been trying to do what he thinks is right and best for the country. At least he's been kind of trying to get corporate taxes raised, fewer causeless tax breaks, etc., but he encounters so much resistance from the GOP House that he simply can't. Examples?

Good luck. I've posted - - show me all the things Obama has actually accomplished - - then we can discuss what he has done wrong or hasn't done.

Not once has anyone bothered to do so.

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reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:19 PM by Glinda

I do agree with one sentiment in the original post--this President DOES have (profoundly) limited capabilities. This becomes apparent anytime he goes off TOTuS.

Trouble is he campaigned for this job...and all it entails. Did he actually think HE COULD 'heal the planet, lower the seas, yada yada?' Has he NOT been out campaigning and raising money? Why is he doing THAT if he can't (or his supporters can't) handle criticism?

Truman said the 'buck stopped with him' Obama complains that its not his buck (but he will gladly take YOURS for his next campaign.)

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:20 PM by Glinda

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:21 PM by EagleTalonZ

Originally posted by alexbassguy
reply to post by EagleTalonZ

OK, fair enough, absolutely. All acts of war, without a doubt. But I don't entirely blame him, simply because the primary prerogative of American foreign policy since the 40's has been 'Let's play World Cop!'. He's simply following the status quo - again, NOT A GOOD THING - but not really surprising or out of the question. As far as the world's concerned, that's our job. Which is why I'm a huge RP fan. Cut that **** out. And as for the arms treaty issue - that's totally out of Obama's hands. Yell at HilDogg for that one. I completely support second amnd rights - the UN should never dictate our domestic arms policies, that's just ludicrous.

edit on 21-8-2011 by alexbassguy because: (no reason given)

Now that we have established agreement on those issues, I agree. Obama is a puppet at the hands of hidden masters. The bankers, etc. JFK paid the price for not playing well with others. Obama gets the blame because he is the POTUS. It is very true that the blame goes way back. One more thing - his fear tactics regarding the debt ceiling. That was complete bs and fear mongering. Trying to scare the elderly and seal his reelection in 2012. Those darn Repubs and Teabaggers are gonna cost everyone their money!! OH NOES!!

We have to work our butts off to make sure Ron Paul DOES get in so we can end the stupidity. I have a feeling it would be very risky to take him out. Though "heart attacks" and "car accidents" are not beyond TPTB. Hopefully that doesn't happen.

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:21 PM by Kitilani

Originally posted by neo96
numerous "czars"

Yup that sums it up right there.
Thank you for that.
Nixon started the Czars and Obama has yet to have as many as Bush had but you blame Obama for them.
How is that working out?

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:25 PM by PLASIFISK

The prez bashing is good for a laugh though! But to think some people really think the prez makes all the decisions. Huh.... So what of the think tanks oh and shhhhhhh lets not mention the government within the goverment. Lol the president isnt even privy to alllll the information, secret information that circulates in our agencies. So sheeple i mean people who bash the prez are doing exactly as they are controlled to do. Now with all this being said , i do support the prez. And that whomever is holding the position. Well because i know he only controls what he is allowed to control. Hahahaha most importantly and on a personal note, what are you, have you, yes YOU done to better this country?! ( for the one who live in America)

Most of the bashers just want an audiance to feel they have made some type of impact. Like i said i will laugh all day at them. Lol one thing for sure they are not the fortune 500 type, or mentor to anybody.

Jeez. If you wanna bash someone go on capital hill . Im sure youll find more than enough treachery on those senate buildings to last you a life time. Hahaha.

S&F to you OP.

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:27 PM by CriticalCK

Originally posted by alexbassguy
reply to post by EagleTalonZ

OK, fair enough, absolutely. All acts of war, without a doubt. But I don't entirely blame him, simply because the primary prerogative of American foreign policy since the 40's has been 'Let's play World Cop!'. He's simply following the status quo - again, NOT A GOOD THING - but not really surprising or out of the question. As far as the world's concerned, that's our job. Which is why I'm a huge RP fan. Cut that **** out. And as for the arms treaty issue - that's totally out of Obama's hands. Yell at HilDogg for that one. I completely support second amnd rights - the UN should never dictate our domestic arms policies, that's just ludicrous.

edit on 21-8-2011 by alexbassguy because: (no reason given)

I beg to differ. These are no acts of war. the US is not in war with yemen, somalia and pakistan. lybia could be interpreted as war, but its much different in terms of scale, cost, deathtoll, foresight, insight and justness as compared to the wars the hawks in the GWB era started.