Sheeple and Ron Paul

Originally posted by davewr25
When I first signed up with ATS, I had originally thought that the majority of people saw the world the same way I do, especially when it comes to government and TPTB. To be honest, I have been nothing but disappointed with people's "political" affiliations because there seems to be a vast majority who seems to think a few things that I personally can understand why my opinion is not the norm, but as far as all these Ron Paul threads popping up, I just can't hold my tongue anymore.

Ron Paul is not a hero, he is not going to save this country, and he is not being conspired against for the U.S. Presidency. To think otherwise is completely absurd. The fact of the matter is this; he is a politician. Even worse, he's campaigning for presidency. Does anyone remember who Barack Obama was before 2008? He was the so called miracle man all for change and fulfilling people's rights but when he got into office, where did all his promises go? He didn't accomplish anything he said he would because he just wanted the sheeples trust. Ron Paul is no different.


You see being elected president ideally is a difficult thing to do. Through the current popular vote/electoral college system that they pretend determines the next president, the idea is that you have to gain people's trust. How do you do this? Fulfill a need. Apply yourself to a demographic. Listen to people. Where does that go when you win the presidency? Out the window that's where.

If you fully believe that Ron Paul or any other presidential candidate will ever be able to properly serve this country, then I am afraid you are wrong because as long as presidency belongs to a human being, greed, personal gain, and puppetry are top priority, not people's views, opinions, or ideas.

Ron Paul is just like every other presidential candidate that's ever existed. He is a fraudulent face plate for a behind the scenes puppeteer with an agenda aimed toward personal gain. Stop pretending that Ron Paul is the greatest thing that could happen to this country because anyone with a brain in their head is smart enough to realize that the greatest thing that could happen to this country besides the abolishment of all corporate greed is simply a constitutional reform in which the people's opinions ACTUALLY matter, not the appearance that they matter.

In summary, Ron Paul sucks. Just like Obama. Just like bush. Get over it. No matter who you "vote" for, we all lose.

My family has been following Ron Paul since his run for presidency in 1989. So he is not an unknown like you said... I love Ron Paul because of the way he wants to do stuff. From his view on economic policies to his extensive knowledge of TPTB and ALL other things in between. He has the mind of ALL well like presidents put together and not one bit of the absurd brains that every hated president has had. And there aint a conspiracy about TPTB not wanting him to become president your #ing stupid and obviously dont know # about TPTB or his view on TPTB. I suggest that you do some thorough research on all subject mentioned in my post. I like him because he does not flip flop. I like him because he has only changed his position on one thing since 1989 and that is the death penalty. I like him and Mitt Romney because THEY truly want to help this country. I like Ron Paul because he is not takin huge campaign donations from people that will only be expecting HUGE future favors that will negatively effect the American infostructure. Ron Paul is a #ing Saint and no one and I mean no other candidate can say that. And he is not a politician he is THE ONLY VOICE the American public has had for decades not the American government. OR should I say the American military industrial complex. He is not another suit waiting to take orders from the TPTB. I could go on forever but really get a life and do some truckin research man. Never heard of Ron Paul, really... the you have never watched a damn minute of cspan or cnn in the past 20 damn years. lol

Originally posted by davewr25
I am not in contrast to Ron Paul in any sort of specific way. That's where the misinterpretation lies. I have no desire to sit and waste time debating who is the correct person to be in charge of the united corporation of America. My standpoint is that politics is an extremely evident attempt to control the masses through perception of choice, when there is no choice. You are voting between a conservative or a liberal. Or a republican or a democrat. Or left wing guy or a right wing guy. It's like asking me to choose between dirt and puke. Yea I have a choice, and I am gonna pick dirt, but does that necessarily mean that dirt is the right choice when I can just as easily have a myriad of other things?

Political parties and affiliations are just an illusion because whether they are on one side or another, yet are all playing for the same team- their own. Republicans pad their wallet. Democrats pad their wallet. What is the difference here?

By claiming that any one stance is right or wrong, you're sacrificing your right as an individual. Take a look at the political parties who controlled the last regimes here in America. Bush was republican, Obama was democrat. Do you see any major changes in the way this country has been run? Are we still fighting wars in the name of "counter terrorism," in countries that have bountiful natural resources for us to pillage when were through "liberating" their people by bombing them to oblivion? General population is who fights in these wars while Barack Obama hides out at camp David with the new validated ability to go to war without approval from congress.

I digress from the point and I apologize, but trying to pin me to one type of person is going to fail because I am an individual. I see the game for what it is, and I think awareness on a site like this isn't too much too ask for. Political stance means nothing when you don't have a voice. Especially when the greater good is commonly mistaken for the wealthy good.

It's all a joke. The political system is a failure. Look at our constitutional rights and how many of them have been exploited and denied since the creation of that document. Freedom of speech? Questionable. Right to bear arms? Most states have had this taken from them. The list goes on and on.

Btw when Ron Paul gets to office do you think he'll repeal the patriot act and stop funding the cias Facebook website to spy on the American people?

What if the only misinterpretation lies in the fact that not only on this page but others you consistently contradict yourself. What if Ron Paul does not take HUGE campaign donations because a pay off like that only lengthens the special interest control of theunited states and only continues to shrink the already microscopic subjects of democracy and diplomacy? Going against Ron Paul is like saying that you want the united states to continue its dive into a fascist Government controlled Bankers, TPTB AND SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS like the current Socialist government. You saying what your saying is that you side with the corrupt government or you just dont give a crap. You might as well live in a third world country and not give a damn about hope, peace, justice and the American way. And yes he will try to stop the facebook debocal. He has already extensively covered the subject of internet privacy as well as our civil privacy if you had any research ability or even cared about this country you would watch cspan and cnn and all you questions would be answered, you assumptions would be proved wrong and you would see the light. Any person with common sense would see that this is not opinion but rather how things ought to be. And if you dont know what I am talking about get your head out of politics because it dont belong and you should damn well know it

And you are right you are an individual, not someone who considers themselves part of the American people. Jusst truckin kill urself already. You make me sicker than than the government does with ur naivety you arrogant little infant. Go back and play in the sand box cause your cant roll with the big dogs yet.

Originally posted by davewr25
When I first signed up with ATS, I had originally thought that the majority of people saw the world the same way I do, especially when it comes to government and TPTB. To be honest, I have been nothing but disappointed with people's "political" affiliations because there seems to be a vast majority who seems to think a few things that I personally can understand why my opinion is not the norm, but as far as all these Ron Paul threads popping up, I just can't hold my tongue anymore.

Ron Paul is not a hero, he is not going to save this country, and he is not being conspired against for the U.S. Presidency. To think otherwise is completely absurd. The fact of the matter is this; he is a politician. Even worse, he's campaigning for presidency. Does anyone remember who Barack Obama was before 2008? He was the so called miracle man all for change and fulfilling people's rights but when he got into office, where did all his promises go? He didn't accomplish anything he said he would because he just wanted the sheeples trust. Ron Paul is no different. I have to agree, you don't get the publicity he does unless there is some kind of sinister agenda behind it. He can talk about all the conspiracies in the world. The truth is these people at the top are pulling all the strings

You see being elected president ideally is a difficult thing to do. Through the current popular vote/electoral college system that they pretend determines the next president, the idea is that you have to gain people's trust. How do you do this? Fulfill a need. Apply yourself to a demographic. Listen to people. Where does that go when you win the presidency? Out the window that's where.

If you fully believe that Ron Paul or any other presidential candidate will ever be able to properly serve this country, then I am afraid you are wrong because as long as presidency belongs to a human being, greed, personal gain, and puppetry are top priority, not people's views, opinions, or ideas.

Ron Paul is just like every other presidential candidate that's ever existed. He is a fraudulent face plate for a behind the scenes puppeteer with an agenda aimed toward personal gain. Stop pretending that Ron Paul is the greatest thing that could happen to this country because anyone with a brain in their head is smart enough to realize that the greatest thing that could happen to this country besides the abolishment of all corporate greed is simply a constitutional reform in which the people's opinions ACTUALLY matter, not the appearance that they matter.

In summary, Ron Paul sucks. Just like Obama. Just like bush. Get over it. No matter who you "vote" for, we all lose.

Ron Paul is 76 years old today (born August 20, 1935).

With all due respect, isn´t that really way too old to be running for the presidency?

All I can say is "well said!".
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reply to post by davewr25

Comparing Ron Paul to Obama, seriously?

Ron Paul who is an 11 term Congressman, whos voting record backs up his rhetoric for the past 30 years. He has single handedly educated an entire generation on sound money and the flawed "Federal Reserve" via their printing money out of thin air and what he calls the hidden tax on the Middle Class aka inflation. Ron Paul who has been the lone crusader against two of the most protected establishments in our government's history: the "Federal Reserve" and the war for profit industry known as the Military Industrial Complex...

Obama??? He served 2 years as a Senator to then be anointed as President hand chosen by globalists like Henry Kissinger and George Soros.

Please, never speak Ron Paul's name again.

reply to post by davewr25


So uuhhh... vote for someone else and don't read the threads that involve him. Ive been a Ron Paul supporter for several years myself. I didn't just change my mind all of the sudden.

reply to post by galdur

Brother, hope comes in all forms. While the vessel is older, the mind is sound.

While I agree with you that he is up in years, this man's ideals and moral strength are too important to be ignored and as Americans we have to make a decision: support someone who is worthy or support the typical puppet to lead the 2-headed 1-party system.

Although I really like Ron Paul and support what he is trying to do, such as stop his government from killing people in unjustified wars and at least attempt to fix the fiscal mess, and get back to the constitutional rules of federal government. BUT as honest and well meaning as he is, he is only one man, he said the other day he is tying to change history, that is enormously hard to do. I have huge respect for this man.

I will add one more variable, it is possible that this man is a chosen vessel by God to help advance bible prophesy, if this is true nothing will stop him from being elected the next President. But then maybe his idea's hinder the advancement of bible prophesy in which case he truly has no chance of being elected, it is a sword that cuts both ways, right now.

reply to post by davewr25


What you say about most all politicans is true,that being said the statement you make that if we don't think like you we are "sheeple" or don't have a brain,then saying "Ron Paul sucks" make me belive your nothing but a"Shill' for the left bashing someone that has proven himself and can totally beat the clown in office now.

To compare him to Obama shows you know nothing about him and you are just talking out your backside slick.

Try being civil in your opinion's and you might not come off so obvious.

I apologize for wasting people's time. I had no intention of boiling any blood but by simply stating that political stance is pointless, suddenly I'm an arrogant infant with poor role models. Again, I am not bashing Ron Paul. I don't know how hard it is for people to understand something like that.

I dont have a solution to the current political system, but if you think this is working, you are wrong. I think asking me what my solution is with a kind of sarcastic hint is what's wrong with the entire country. Instead of patronizing me for thinking I have all the answers, why not accept that it takes more than one person to make a change, which is actually the main point of this whole thread. No one person has the answer to the problems in this country, and Ron Paul is no different. I understand that many of you believe he Is the best chance we may have, but presidency changes people. Especially when they are not the ones pulling the strings.

I don't believe I have contradicted myself once or had the intention of bashing Ron Paul to "troll" people, I was simply ranting and stating my opinion. I admit that I must have put this in the wrong forum but simply because I didnt know there was a rant forum.

I am not an anarchist as I've stated earlier. I just wish to see reform. The only problem is I don't see how reform is possible in our current feudal empire. I'd like to see this game of chess played when all the pawns quit. Not much of an exciting game then is it?

Most people on ATS know that Ron Paul isn't going to save the USA, it's the ideals that are resonating with the masses.

Ron Paul himself says it's about the people and the majority that need to make the changes.

Until people understand that they need to empower themselves instead of an elite group, then we will have representatives, but times are starting to change to self-empowerment and a less fearful populous.

From the time we are born we are conditioned to pick a role-model or live vicariously through a sports figure, movie star, or other figures of power and fame, all the while losing or questioning our own existence. It's time people understand they are not better or worse, just different and with difference comes diversity.

Peace out,

RT

Originally posted by davewr25

Ron Paul is not a hero, he is not going to save this country, and he is not being conspired against for the U.S. Presidency. To think otherwise is completely absurd. The fact of the matter is this; he is a politician.

And you wanna talk about naivety? To me? You are the one with that problem clearly because if you believe in the "American" way, you must be wealthy because that is the only American way. That and bombing countries in the name of counter terrorism when it's really just terrorism.

I was able to talk circles around you even when I was actually an infant, done.

reply to post by davewr25


Ron Paul has never been a politician, and his record proves his worth. Obama's record didn't, before and after.

reply to post by GmoS719


Heres the problem with comparing RP to Obama...

They are NOTHING like one another.

1. Obama used magnificent generalities like hope and change, talking points, promises just like every other phony ass president before him.

2. Obama was extremely well funded and had MASSIVE (and I mean seriously huge) coverage by the media and pretty much every single other form of visual media.


Im taking my chances with this guy but for the first time in history, at least so it seems, a person steps up to the plate to face the REAL issues which invlolve deconstructing this control grid that we live in.

In summary, Ron Paul sucks. Just like Obama. Just like bush. Get over it. No matter who you "vote" for, we all lose.

Only from the mouth of a loser.

If you can't at least muster the will to do something about it, then you deserve to rot in your own despair.

He's not going to save the country.

But I hope he can put us in the right path, because right now we are screwed.

reply to post by davewr25


Brilliant and SO very well said. Thank you.

Hey ATS moderators. Gonna warn me for this one? You've warned for less.

Originally posted by davewr25
I apologize for wasting people's time. I had no intention of boiling any blood but by simply stating that political stance is pointless, suddenly I'm an arrogant infant with poor role models. Again, I am not bashing Ron Paul. I don't know how hard it is for people to understand something like that.

I dont have a solution to the current political system, but if you think this is working, you are wrong. I think asking me what my solution is with a kind of sarcastic hint is what's wrong with the entire country. Instead of patronizing me for thinking I have all the answers, why not accept that it takes more than one person to make a change, which is actually the main point of this whole thread. No one person has the answer to the problems in this country, and Ron Paul is no different. I understand that many of you believe he Is the best chance we may have, but presidency changes people. Especially when they are not the ones pulling the strings.

I don't believe I have contradicted myself once or had the intention of bashing Ron Paul to "troll" people, I was simply ranting and stating my opinion. I admit that I must have put this in the wrong forum but simply because I didnt know there was a rant forum.

I am not an anarchist as I've stated earlier. I just wish to see reform. The only problem is I don't see how reform is possible in our current feudal empire. I'd like to see this game of chess played when all the pawns quit. Not much of an exciting game then is it?

To late,and to say you were not bashing RP implys you need to re-read your own post.

I have read this post twice and I still don't get parts of it.Do you preview what you write??

I think it's more like a Paul-Placebo effect in some way.
I THINK I will give him a chance for the primaries just to see what happens.