This is my first post on ATS, just an enthusiast into the subject who has spent some time getting educated on the UFO phenomenon. Over the last two
days I've tried to read all of the content in this thread but unfortunately haven't been able to watch most of the videos shared in it (most browsing
occurs during downtime at work - youtube is blocked). Thus, a short disclaimer that this may already have been discussed or dismissed by an expert in
one of the videos.
Early on in the thread, I believe it was dpd1 who referenced a potential link to a secret military helicopter training operation, and other users have
connected the dots that perhaps it is tied to the Iran Hostage situation. I'm surprised this hasn't been explored (unless I missed it!) more
- The April 1980 Operation Eagle Claw in Iran exposed significant problems within our military on joint-operations (e.g. Air Force
working with Army Rangers working with Delta Force operators + Navy coordination) that led to the ultimately failed mission outcome - specifically, a
helicopter crashing into a parked C130 Hercules fixed-wing aircraft. The C130's were used not only as troop carriers but to carry 18,000 gallon fuel
bladders for refueling. This failed mission (amongst other reasons) resulted in the creation of:
1. The 160TH S.O.A.R. to train US Army pilots in night-terrain flying, low-level penetration, & aerial refueling.
2. USSOCOM or US Special Ops Command, to control joint-missions during special operations
3. An R&D push for more reliable transportation for specials ops, such as VTOL or STOL (short take-off & landing)
(source: en.wikipedia.org... )
Such research, for example, led to Operation Credible Sport
a joint project of the U.S. military in the second half of 1980 to prepare for a second rescue attempt of the hostages held in Iran
using a Lockheed C-130 Hercules airlifter modified with the addition of rocket engines.
The concept used these modified MC130 planes with rocket engine boosters flown by the 463d Airlift Group, which was stationed out of Dyess Air Force
Base near Abilene, Texas
and flew its first test (in Florida) in September, 1980.
Results of the first test:
The reverse-mounted (forward-facing) eight ASROC rockets for decelerating the aircraft's forward speed were situated in pairs on the fuselage's
upper curvature behind the cockpit, and at the midpoint of each side of the fuselage beneath the uppers. ...[pilot error during the flight led
to]...the aircraft's forward flight was immediately reduced to nearly zero, dropping it hard to the runway and breaking the starboard wing's spar
between the third and fourth engines. During rollout, the trailing wing ignited a fire, but a medical evacuation helicopter dispersed the flame and
crash response teams extinguished the fire within eight seconds of the aircraft stopping, enabling the crew to safely exit the aircraft. 74-1683 was
dismantled and buried on-site for security reasons, but most of its unique systems were salvaged.
I'm not sure what kind of propellant ASROC uses (e.g. chemical? hydrazine? idk)
Relatedly, Bell Helicopters, including the division that created the Osprey, is based out of Fort Worth, TX. A quick internet search randomly turned
up, i.e. Juergen Schmidt's linkedin page (don't spam him!) which includes the following work history:
Range Support Master
October 1975 – February 1980 (4 years 5 months)Esfahan, Iran & Hurst, Texas
Directly supervised 8 range support specialists while conducting weapons loading and downloading during live fire exercises with IIAA (Imperial
Iranian Army Aviation) AH-1J Cobra Helicopters. Also supervised first echelon maintenance on fire control and weapon systems.
Helicopter Instructor Pilot
US Army & C-Co 1/160th SOAR (ABN)
1980 – 1996 (16 years)Ft Cambell, KY & Worldwide
Master Aviator with 8+ years Special Operations. Flew in direct support of National Command Authority while assigned to C-Co, 1/160th SOAR
So... conclusions? Perhaps there was a special Ops training exercise in Texas preparing to rescue the hostages in Iran using this new delivery
system. Maybe a helicopter towing a satchel of the 18,000 gallon fuel bladders hit an electrical line, and was snagged. The fuel could be burning
while the helicopter was still above, giving the appearance that the craft was "bobbing" in place, and scorching the road below.
Image of a fuel bladder (correct me if this is the wrong "bladder"):
Or, perhaps one of the rocket-equipped STOL experimental aircraft had issues and had to fire the rockets or make an emergency landing on the road.
Just some ideas from a wannabe-internet-detective.
edit on 30-7-2013 by mrzasa because: formatting