Originally posted by Grumble
I am a middle to upper middle class Democrat. My number one reason for being a Democrat is to help defeat the Republicans. I once considered myself
to be Libertarian, but with age I realized this was foolish in the sense that Libertarians will never take power, and foolish in the sense that most
people in fact do need rules and regulations to behave decently. Freedom is definitely best taken in moderation - I can handle it, but most
First of all, thank you for your intelligent reply. I too consider myself Libertarian yet do not vote for their candidates for the same reasons that
you have listed, but I do this mostly because (especially in the presidential election) it would really just be a wasted vote. They have some very
good ideas and values on a lot of issues but others are simply just not realistic. I think their philosophy needs to be perfected in order to be taken
On specific issues, I am a Christian, and I believe that means I should support charity, love, peace, and tolerance (the basic values Jesus taught).
Charity = entitlements. Love = doing things because you want to help (not because there is something in it for you). Peace = anti-war. Tolerance =
anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, etc.
I agree with you on everything that you say that you believe in except for one thing and that is your pro-entitlement stance and this is the game
changer for me when picking a party that has a realistic chance of winning. My original question was actually based primarily on this issue. I vote
republican because I (theoretically) like their stance on government spending and taxation.
I feel that both parties have a great deal of corruption in their ranks, but what really bothers me about the left is their tendency to run for office
on promises of increasing entitlements, new social programs, and other “charitable” spending. You cannot deny that these programs are often
abused by those who could do without them, just as I won’t deny that there are many who honestly do need them for survival.
Those who make promises in order to gain favor with voters are usually democrats, and doing this, I feel, is the same as buying votes, only they are
buying them with other taxpayers money (who probably didn’t vote for them anyway). Do you see the irony there? Also, I consider myself to be a very
giving person who is willing to help anyone that I can in need, but when you take money from someone else by force of law to give to another it ceases
to be charity, in my opinion. We may disagree on this but as I have said, I’m not here to convert anyone, just to learn.
I do believe that many of the programs should be in place. I think that the social security, disability, and unemployment benefits that we pay along
with our taxes are good in the same sense that mandatory car insurance is good and protects others from being financially responsible for you. Hell,
maybe government healthcare would work if they did that way and kept the same standards that they use in the private sector.
I guess I would think that a person in your financial position would lean more to the conservative side because of the left’s spending habits, but
you seem to be a very practical and intelligent person and I respect your opinion.
I find the hypocrisy of the Christian Right to be galling. The very term is oxymoronic. The bat# crazy Tea Party Republican dominionist voices like
Michelle Bachmann are preaching selfishness, hatred, war and intolerance. In my opinion these people are definitely not Christians, but they are
convinced that are right and the rest of us are the anti-Christ (how ironic). Underneath all of this Fox News-esqe propaganda campaign is the GOP's
real agenda, which is the improve the profitability of those who fund the party. It is essentially a department of Corporate America, and it is
destroying this country
These clowns are just ridiculous
And, by the way, the most disgusting thing the Republican party represents is anti-intellectualism. The idea that knowledge is dangerous is creeping
into our political discourse, and this is a very, very frightening trend. We cannot allow the know-nothings to control our country.
Could you please elaborate?