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Originally posted by trig_grl
reply to post by anumohi
Dogs are good but geese are better! My family had 5 geese when i was growing up and when someone would come to the fence the pack would go running towards them honking and ready to bite! VERY good and loyal.
Originally posted by cypherx82
For straight home defense, go with a shotgun with 00 buck. The most popular ones are the Mossberg 500/590 and the Remington 870. Relatively cheap, too.
For SHTF, a good (and extremely cheap) rifle is the Mosin Nagant. It's powerful, accurate, reliable, and the ammo's cheap. Not to mention the bayonet can help in a pinch. You can find these at gun shows and online, but I got mine at a Cabela's. $100 for the rifle and all the accessories. (1936 Tula 91/30 if you care.) Just make sure to clean the barrel after shooting corrosive ammo.
A good semi-auto would be a Saiga (or any civilian Kalashnikov, WASR, MAK-90, etc.) or even an AR, though AR's can be expensive.
As for traps, NEVER set any outside a SHTF scenario. If you got a home intruder with one, you'd be crucified in court. Also never fire a warning shot. If you ever need to shoot, it's a desperate measure and so you need to shoot to kill.
Originally posted by circuitsports
A gun is a tool of last resort. if you have the ability to - run. You may be facing a number of people who have more experience than you do.
If you do get a gun for personal defense I highly recommend a pistol preferably a 9mm glock model 17 with 147 grain subsonic rounds either ranger xp or my personal favs speer gold dot +p in the highest capacity your state allows. If your state only allows 10 rounds you may want to consider a 45 and depending on your hand size you should look into either a glock 21 or M&P45 with a trigger job (the stock one is mush)
This is down to a couple of unfortunate reality's, a shot gun has very limited numbers of shots lots of recoil and it's possible you'll be shooting essentially blind into a dark room at someone who you can't see and the long barrel will be an easy thing to grab from the side and will highlight you in the doorway. You could use a flashlight attached to it but unless you've practiced with moving in a house with a long barrel weapon your going to expose a lot of body area in a doorway to an attacker.
Using a rifle or supersonic rounds from a pistol it's likely that some of them may find there way into your neighbors home while your ears are ringing not a good idea.
In shtf I would get an decent 308 semi auto rifle like a ptr91 and a glock. The 308 will give you standoff distance over most other things if you absolutely have to use it. It's also a great hunting round.
Originally posted by circuitsports
reply to post by tangonine
I do not pretend to be an expert but I am aware that trained professionals like the police have a 3 in 10 hit average in shootouts - which are typically line of sight short distances and with ambient or daytime lighting.
If you have 3 people in your home with 9 rounds in your shotgun I hope your a good shot.
As for a first tool I believe you arent familiar with the average home invasion or robbery situation, your first tool is your head. Your house is filled with things that arent worth your life so collecting yourself and your family and getting out of danger is your only real priority.
Stopping to engage in a possible gun fight with prepared criminals is your last resort, remember you are playing there game, you are reacting to there moves.
A friend of mine trains women for defensive situations and she found about 80% of the women who used a firearm for protection had it taken away and used against them vs over 90% that were successful at running away. You might think you can beat these odds but is your life worth it?
Which btw comes to the second most important tool your health, you may be smart enough to handle a situation but you should be fit enough to handle it as well especially in a shtf scenario?edit on 17-8-2011 by circuitsports because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by canselmi
After my home was broken into, I bought a pistol which did make me feel safer. Later I also bought a Doberman, and let me tell you, I definitely feel much, much safer with the dog than the gun.
The dog will hear things that I don't. She is always alert, ready and most importantly can respond immediately. (I may not be near my gun when someone breaks in). When I'm in the shower and think I may have heard a noise, I'm not worried because I know no one can come inside my house without the dog letting me know.
Originally posted by circuitsports
I do not agree with this training regement - a very wise man once said "practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect"
The ShinSung Dragon Slayer
The ShinSung Career 707 9mm
The Sam Yang Big Bore 909
Airguns are a lot more finicky about ammunition than firearms as a rule, so it makes sense to try a few different bullets to find the one that works the best in your specific gun. There are a variety of bullet weights and shapes available to the big bore airgun hunter. You can use pellets that are made to order for these guns; I shoot the 170, 200, and 220 grain versions through the 909. You can use bullets that are made for muzzle loaders, which opens many options, or if so inclined you can also caste your own bullets. As mentioned, for the Career 707 the bullets are limited to the 77 grain Eu Jin, but the Fire 201 can shoot a much wider range of bullets, including cast bullets made for automatic pistols. For the Dragonslayer, the TC and Hornaday 190 grain roundball works very well, as it does everything I want with respect to accuracy and terminal performance.
Benjamin Rogue .357 Air Rifle.
What game can be taken?
The Rogue is ideal for a variety of game, from raccoons and prairie dogs to coyotes and hogs up to 200 pounds.
How much recoil is there?
The Rogue has a recoil similar to a rimfire rifle.
Can any .357 caliber bullet be used?
Due to the unique barrel rifling of the Rogue, only soft lead bullets without lubrication in .357 caliber should be used.
Can the Rogue be filled with a hand pump?
No. The Rogue's regulator requires a slow but constant supply of clean dry air so a scuba or HPA tank is recommended. Because the Rogue has a capacity of 3000psi, we recommend a 4500psi tank. We offer fittings for most power sources.
Are the electronics waterproof?
No. All electronics are conformal coated to make them weather resistant.
How quiet is the Rogue?
Depending on the settings of the EPiC panel, noise levels average 88dB. This is similar to a .22 rimfire. For comparison, the normal talking voice is 60-70dB.
Is it legal to hunt in my state with the Rogue?
Nearly all states allow some form of hunting with airguns. We recommend you consult your state regulations and local ordinances before doing so.
Originally posted by thinkingthing
We have been putting off getting a gun for a while. Debating the issue. Neither of us have really ever handled a gun before. We know nothing about the subject and are quite intimidated by it. We do plan on getting one real soon, but have been so busy with moving, starting new jobs, registering kids in school, etc. I am afraid the SHTF scenario may go down before we get around to buying one and learning how to use it.
What are other effective ways of protecting ourselves and our belongings? Assuming a shelter in place situation. I plan on getting pepper spray and a good survival knife. What are some other things I should consider?
Also, what if I'm caught totally off guard? What are the best makeshift weapons and methods of protection, using common household items?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!