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Yank can you think of any facts that I can post in favor of the OS ?
The Pentagon "impact" zone was a direct hit on the Office of Naval Intelligence, which had just been moved to the newly renovated area that was struck. 39 out of 40 investigators were killed, and all of their files and investigations were lost. Among other things, the ONI investigates fraud.
Donald Rumsfeld admitted on Sept. 10, 2001 that the Pentagon had "lost" $2.3 Trillion.
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by dpd11
You guys keep posting and I've even begged, for something I can add to the list in your favor. Kind of says enough right there dosn't it? Might as well put back the fact I deleted.
Can you do anything besides argue ?edit on 22-8-2011 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by Yankee451
Last that I saw they had dropped the figure to under 700 billion and that was dropping almost weekly as they overhauled/data mined the older computer systems.
edit on 22-8-2011 by vipertech0596 because: (no reason given)
Q: There are reports of straw and other debris penetrating cattle, trees and other solid objects during a tornado. Does this occur because of the wind speeds involved, or is there any truth to something I was told which is the "inside" of the tornado is a perfect vacuum that causes solid objects to basically "open up" or pull apart?
A: You're correct, there are confirmed reports of straws penetrating trees or boards in tornadoes. Years ago some thought that tornado winds were fast enough to drive straws into trees, but measurements of tornado wind speeds have shown that they rarely approach 300 mph. The air pressure inside a tornado is lower than the surrounding pressure, but is far from a perfect vacuum. The most generally accepted theory about what happens is that the winds bend trees or boards enough to open up the grains, a straw flies in and the tree straightens up when the tornado moves on. (12-29-96)
Intense winds can bend a tree or other objects, creating cracks in which debris (e.g., hay straw) becomes lodged before the tree straightens and the crack tightens shut again. All bizarre damage effects have a physical cause inside the roiling maelstrom of tornado winds.
Account of Anthony Bartolomey File No: 9110013
Q. When you arrived there, did any civilians report anything to you?
A. Yes. Numerous civilians were telling me that a plane had hit the building. There were
discrepancies as to the type of plane. Some were saying it was a Cessna or Leer jet type, a
small jet plane. Some said it was a large passenger plane. One person actually said that it
was like a military style plane that actually shot missiles into the building.
Account of Peter Fallucca File No: 9110388
The mention of a fireball or something in this account is also unusual.
It was a big fireball or something from the plane I guess, came from across the street in front
of our rig, and as we get out of the rig, there's a cop, city police officer, in the street. He's
telling us, "I'm getting out of here. I just saw a rocket." He said he saw it come off the
Woolworth Building and hit the tower.
Account of Brian Dixon - File No: 9110166
At that point I assumed you can't have two -- it can't be an accident to have two planes. So, I
don't know if there's planes or missiles or what but something was hitting this thing.
You saw debris was falling down.
Account of Chris Kagenaar - File No: 9110014
What happened was then the second plane hit the tower, and it was a loud noise, I mean, it
hit, and at first I was like this can’t be happening. It’s like lightning doesn’t strike twice .
As I’m dropping off the patient, the FBI agent comes up to me and he says, oh, man, I just
heard there’s a third plane coming in.
Account of Felton Jarjean - File No: 9110041
I would say right around that time while we were right under here, under the Westside
Highway and pedestrian bridge, I seen a second plane coming. I’m thinking isn’t that plane too
low? I’m like.. .then I noticed, I seen it turn. It turned and went right in the building. But we’re
behind, like this is the building, it went in, and you see the explosion in the front... ...
Everybody talking about -around that time- there's another plane coming. I mean, we didn’t
know because we didn’t have a TV and we didn’t have a radio. We was just going our way. We
heard it from the FBI agents or agents down there.
Account of Michael Wernick - File No: 9110080
We were there resting five, ten minutes. We heard reports that possibly more planes were
coming in our direction and that was from the FBI.
Account of Sidney Parris File No: 9110347
After that, FBI agent came down the block. He identified some landing gear that was in front of
our rig, asked me to make sure no pedestrians came down the block to interfere with any type
of metals and debris that were there, because they were trying to identify to put the pieces
back together for the plane.
Account of James Curran - File No: 9110412
No, we were on the 16 floor when it was confirmed that another plane hit tower two. At that
point, someone that was supposedly Secret Service, which disappeared, we never knew
where he went, he said there was a third incoming flight.
Account of Warren Smith - File No: 9110223
I also received reports while I was walking up from an FBI agent that there were more planes
up in the air unaccounted for. So I passed this on to my guys that were near me.
Account of Terence Rivera - File No: 9110343
This account is especially peculiar
There was a -- he wasn't a regular security guard. He had a weapon on him. I don't know if
he was FBI or Secret Service and he was trying to put the pants out on one individual that was
conscious. His pants were still smoldering. I took the can, fire extinguisher off the truck and
then sprayed down the pants on the person that was still conscious. At that time, I had asked
him where did this individual [had] come from. He told me when the plane had hit, a fire ball
had shot down the elevator shaft and had blown people out of the lobby
Sometime while we were doing that, that same individual that was -- when we first got there,
that was trying to put the pants out, he came over and he is saying to us that it's a terrorist
attack. You guys are too close. It's a terrorist attack.
Then I went -- that same individual, the security or -- he told me to go over to the command
post and let them know it's a terrorist attack. There are more planes in the air.