Should National Service Be Re-introduced In Britain?, page 1


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reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 01:04 AM by AQuestion
reply to post by Dr Expired



Dear Dr Expired,

Should we require that all people spend a few years in slavery, I mean compulsory public service? My answer is no. Not all youths were responsible for what happened, only some. What if we went back to what did work, letting parents raise their children and rewarding good behaviour rather than bad behaviour?


reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 01:17 AM by Dr Expired
reply to post by TheThirdAdam


National service doesn't automatically mean serving overseas, it could be used as a home defense guard and ironically be used to keep civil order.
Once the youth realise that they can protect as well as destroy, they may like themselves better.


reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 01:48 AM by TheThirdAdam
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Then I am in total support! Is this something that your gov is seriously proposing? I think it's a wonderful idea, young people should get a sense of civil service to help them better appreciate the free world that they were lucky enough to be born into... good post


reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 02:04 AM by OmegaLogos
reply to post by Dr Expired



Explanation: S&F!

100% agree and I'd go even further and make them all do 3 yrs of Cadets [15yrs-18yrs] before they do their 3 yrs of national service [18yrs-21yrs]. I'd also raise the drinking/smoking age to 21yrs and the voting age also to 21yrs.

Only when they have served their country and earned their status as a citizen should they get a say in the system and enjoy the luxuries such a system provides for them.

Personal Disclosure: My statements should be taken as though they apply regardless of gender.


reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 02:13 AM by Dr Expired
reply to post by TheMaverick



You make an excellent point about instilling fear into children when they cross the line, sometimes it can help the child examine his/her actions...a lot sharper than if they were not brought to face the ire of the authorities or parents.

Children need to understand there are consequences to every action.


reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 02:15 AM by Dr Expired
reply to post by OmegaLogos



Yes excellent post there, I star thee for such enlightened insight.


reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 02:20 AM by TheThirdAdam
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You do bring up another exellent point, but I do not think that the problems are brought on by social services or the threat thereof, moreso my generation's failure to take their resposiblities as parents. Somewhere along the line we decided that it was acceptable to act as though training our children to be decent human beings was a secondary priority. Instead we started giving them labels like "ADHD" and medicating them.

When we were growing up, our parents version adderal was a good swift kick in the ass like the one that you just described... Nowadays, it's seems that parents have better things to put their efforts toward. I will tell you this, as a father of two, I will have social services take them away before I let that kind of hellian behavior go unchecked in my house. Other parents may not agree, but one thing is for damn sure, they won't ever see my son smashing up a store on the evening news!

Sorry to rant



reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 02:35 AM by lifeissacred
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He was talking about the option in some prisons in America for younger offenders to endure a military style prison sentence with drill instructors and a strict program.

As for my opinions on national service, it could straigten out some youngsters but it shouldn't be compulsory, it should be decided on by the parents whether they want their children to take part (I'm willing to bet most would).
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reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 02:51 AM by TheThirdAdam
Originally posted by lifeissacred
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He was talking about the option in some prisons in America for younger offenders to endure a military style prison sentence with drill instructors and a strict program.


I was unaware that they did that anywhere other than on TV... I stand corrected


As for my opinions on national service, it could straigten out some youngsters but it shouldn't be compulsory, it should be decided on by the parents whether they want their children to take part (I'm willing to bet most would).
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I partially agree with you here, maybe some contingencies having to do with a juvenile record and/or federal benefits/assistance

sry, i know i've put out a ton of typos


reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 03:04 AM by TheThirdAdam
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While I do think that you have an excellent idea, I think that more than anything what needs to happen (on both sides of the pond) is a justice system that carries real consequences and is not primarily concerned with the money making aspect of it all...

Everyone get fines and/or probation that isn't taken seriously. The last thing they want to do it seems is actually give an offender any hard time because it cost to put someone through the correctional system, wheres the will make money if they give them probation. How do they expect to be taken seriously? Thats how it is here anyway


reply posted on 12-8-2011 @ 03:07 AM by EvanB
Originally posted by TheThirdAdam
Originally posted by EvanB
No

The country cannot afford it nor does the PROFFESSIONAL army want it.

Maybe a form of a bootcamp style prison for offenders would be more appropriate, similar to the ones in the US. They have good results and instill the same discapline as military service.


No not similar to the ones here... These kids need to have the fear of God put in them, not sit around and watch tv until meal time. I think you have a misconception of our prison system in America. The only thing they worry about here is getting raped in the showers, but now they give them a chem solution that prevents an erection, so no worries really... It's sort of an empty consequence that just breeds more criminal behavior because all they have to do inside is learn from each other better methods of crime


There are penal bootcamps in the US which have had great success in transforming delinquents lives.

They are prisons, but based on marine/army basic training on steroids! Obviously there is no weapons training, but fitness and total discapline is enforced in much the same lines as a british military prison, where you are up at 5am, on parade by 5.30am for inspection, then PT, group punishment for individual discapline infringements, having to ask permission even to go to the toilet, military drill etc.

They have to make the grade and "graduate" the program, and those who continue to be an asswipe end up doing the program again, getting kept back until they do.

This is what I think is needed with young offenders with a chip on their shoulder. They soon learn discapline and self control, and when they are not being beasted on a run or parade ground, they are having classes on how to conduct their lives, numeracy and literacy what they missed by being asses at school.

You dont graduate the program, you dont go home.. Then after care at home too.. If the parents are morons then they get to do the program too!
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