Did Fox News remove and hide their debate polls because Ron Paul was leading them?

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Paul needs to be our President. In Indiana, most Republicans I know want Ron Paul as President.

Originally posted by BlackOps719
Ron Paul has millions of supporters. Deal with it.

If he does, why is it that he got 1.6% of the vote in the Republican primaries back in 2008? or better yet, 440,000 votes in 1988? And let me remind you, you're the one claiming tha he has millions of supporters.

Ron Paul just sin't as popular as people make him out to be on this forum. We have a flood of campaigners on this forum and we're under the assumption is the republican nominee already, this was the same attitude back in the 2008 elections. I agree with walking fox, internet polls are easily slanted or controlled and Ron Paulers make a good example of this by flooding them with voters (that same percentage doesn't seem to turn up come election day).

I do believe it's rather low for anybody to pull a poll out online because they feel it's beginning to get unfair, then nature of that is no different than election fraud and obviously Fox has made efforts to cover this up as have other media groups. That being said, when it comes to online polls and ron paul supporters, I call BS, because they have a way of manipulating polls away from reality and the nature of this is no different to what fox news is doing.

Believe you me, Ron Paul loses incredibly badly in the actual elections not because the establishment is "keeping him down", in reality nobody can stomache the idea of eliminating minimum wage and medicare, his policies, many of them, are just not favourable to the public. Believe you me, most of the folks I know are republican voters, conservatives, they know who ron paul is, my family members know who he is, they just don't see any favourable reason to vote for him. Ron Paul probably won't win the election, I doubt he'd even get 5% of this republican primary, it will be no different from 2008 or 88'. Paulers can delude themselves to believe otherwise as they did the years before..... but then again I could be wrong, anything is possible...... Sarah palin could win the republican nomination next year. Anything is possible.

Ron Paul is Crazy, and Fox is whitewashing it!!!!! Because Liberty is the craziest extreme idea since civilization began. First off, those of you who want Paul to win, but say he can't, stop repeating the MSM message. Think about it, like jedi mind tick the MSM say, "you saw nothing." you REPEAT "I saw nothing." STOP IT." and stop being defeatest the individual has more power than you accept. Second I love Israel, believe Yeshua will return there, but also believe it's not our fricken role to protect them. Many say "Yahweh will bless those who bless Israel." And you would be correct. When did that translate to "God will protect those who protect israel in order to manipulate the people and grow the military industrial complex in order to enslave the world with debt taking away liberty's I endowed to you." Smart! GROW UP. Fact is, RON PAUL is the ONLY, I reapeat, ONLY nominee that if we allowed Iran to get nuclear weapons and they NUKED, or ATTACKED us or threatened that to the USA. He is the only Nominee that would get a Declaration of War. You know what that means We know our mission our goal and our enemy. WE KNOW WHEN WE WIN. It wont be drawn out, it will be quick and to the point.( And Just For Refrence Guaranteed Despite Who Wins Iran Will Get A Nuke, just saying) All these other canidates that want to have interventionism, it's a war, but it's drawn out, the goals change, the mission changes, and it goes on and on and on. It's more of the same. The fact is, if Paul doesn't win and help us as a nation remember where we came from and how special our liberty truly is, if we can't remind eachother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We as a nation will end up like all other Empires. This is a fact. If you dont address the financial numbers and the writing on the wall your BLIND! We are done without a leader who see's the truth. It will end up in revolution, which will be anything but 1776 i'm afraid, b/c too many people have a left vs right, me vs them, rich vs poor, black vs white mentality. It will be blood shed, it will be tyranny!

nevermind the polls. an applause meter is all you need to figure this out.

GO DR PAUL!

I just followed your link, voted for Paul and the results were


Ron Paul 39.58% (15,424 votes)

Newt Gingrich 23.53% (9,171 votes)

Mitt Romney 13.33% (5,195 votes)

Michele Bachmann 9.69% (3,778 votes)

Herman Cain 8.09% (3,151 votes)

Rick Santorum 2.96% (1,153 votes)

Tim Pawlenty 1.7% (663 votes)

Jon Huntsman 1.12% (438 votes)


Total Votes: 38,973

Read more: www.foxnews.com...

Limbaugh calls Paul: Nuts on parade!

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Neo-cons are starting to blame liberals for Ron Paul's success. They don't want him there.

Believe you me, Ron Paul loses incredibly badly in the actual elections not because the establishment is "keeping him down", in reality nobody can stomache the idea of eliminating minimum wage and medicare, his policies, many of them, are just not favourable to the public. Believe you me, most of the folks I know are republican voters, conservatives, they know who ron paul is, my family members know who he is, they just don't see any favourable reason to vote for him.

My father is the same way...die hard republican...thinks Ron Paul is a whack job. He's a conservative who draws SS and medicare. Can't live without them....he's not going to vote for anyone who wants to privatize either one. He is also quite religious, and often talks about Israel.

Ron Paul simply doesn't fit with most republican voters.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Believe you me, Ron Paul loses incredibly badly in the actual elections not because the establishment is "keeping him down", in reality nobody can stomache the idea of eliminating minimum wage and medicare, his policies, many of them, are just not favourable to the public. Believe you me, most of the folks I know are republican voters, conservatives, they know who ron paul is, my family members know who he is, they just don't see any favourable reason to vote for him.

Since when has a President ever accomplished everything they say they are setting out to do? There are still checks and balances, as per the constitution. Other voices will be heard, Ron Paul would not be a dictator, quite the opposite. But, it would be helpful for this country to have a president that will work to reign in the military industrial complex, end the failed war on drugs, and allow new industries (like hemp) to take hold. That's what we need, not the third coming of GW Bush, whatever form he comes in this election...he hasn't worked out too well for us the past 12 years.

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Rush is an ass!
On another note, I wonder how many disenfranchised "anti-war liberal" types (truly apologize for the stereotype) Ron Paul could sway to his side?

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On another note, I wonder how many disenfranchised "anti-war liberal" types (truly apologize for the stereotype) Ron Paul could sway to his side?

The anti-war stance is alluring to some liberals, but most of RP's other stances are not something most would agree with.

Quite frankly some are getting desperate because Obama simply has not come through and is quite weak kneed when it comes to standing up for struggling Americans, he simply doesn't have any balls....but as i stated in my last post.....

Neo-cons/Republican establishment are starting to blame liberals/liberal media for pushing Ron Paul. I've seen it on some message boards...and Rush was hinting at it in that vid.

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hey for some people, baking a cake is about all they can do. not everyone is 20 and in good health, capable of travel, financially or otherwise. many are probably moms, with small children. (although perhaps cake is not the best thing for good health eh?)

anyway, i just wanted to show you another fox i think you'll like

the art of stephanie pui-mun law (she's not me, but she's an excellent artist who apparently has an affinity for foxes)
www.shadowscapes.com...

reply to post by Southern Guardian


did you post at ats when bush won his second term?

i'm always curious about the motivations of some posters here who always post in defense of their party. always. no matter what. as if to say: it can do no wrong. they aren't gods (at the moment, anyway), so this idea they are beyond reproach is not realistic.

reply to post by David9176

What is your Point? Let me get this right Liberals only like his anti war stance, and the right is trying to make it look like the left supports him? OK soooooo what?

Originally posted by Snorkelbacon
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What is your Point? Let me get this right Liberals only like his anti war stance, and the right is trying to make it look like the left supports him? OK soooooo what?

divide and conquer perhaps? WHO KNOWS! political machinations are so tangled up in knots it's hard to tell sometimes. too much intrigue, not enough just plain common sense and honesty.

Originally posted by David9176
The anti-war stance is alluring to some liberals, but most of RP's other stances are not something most would agree with.

Not just liberals...

Ronald Reagan spoke in support of Paul's foreign policy views, stating "Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country."
en.wikipedia.org...

OP, thank you for the post and the links. I was using the CNN link and reading the comments for my local area, then my state, then on a national scale. People really ARE behind Dr. Ron Paul across the board. This might be the most positive news I have received on the political front in well over a decade. Pretty amped up actually. Take care.

Originally posted by e11888 Link to a 'FOUND' poll: www.foxnews.com...

That one puts Ron at the top, but this one from a Google search puts Mitt at the top www.foxnews.com... .

I'm a socialistic vegetarian atheist peacenik who thinks the US is broken on purpose by some very powerful people. I feel that anything I do politically will be a waste of time, but I'm going to encourage people to support Ron Paul.

EDIT: Oh! Ron's against minimum wage and socialized medicine. Never mind, I would never support him. I like the way he wants to take our inherently flawed system and actually run it by the rules. If I have to live in the middle of this silly game, we can at least play by the rules. However, I'm always going to be counted out because I should be in Sweden. It's too cold for my GF . Time for another beer.

For those saying he is proposing to just end social security, that seems to be inaccurate:

The greatest threat to your Social Security retirement funds is Congress itself. Congress has never required that Social Security tax dollars be kept separate from general revenues. In fact, the Social Security “trust fund” is not a trust fund at all. The dollars taken out of your paycheck are not deposited into an account to be paid to you later. On the contrary, they are spent immediately to pay current benefits, and to fund completely unrelated federal programs. Your Social Security administration “account” is nothing more than an IOU, a hopeful promise that enough younger taxpayers will be around to pay your benefits later. Decades of spendthrift congresses have turned the Social Security system into a giant Ponzi scheme, always dependent on new generations. The size and longevity of the Baby Boom generation, however, will finally collapse the house of cards.

*snip*

The Social Security crisis is a spending crisis. The program could be saved tomorrow if Congress simply would stop spending so much money, apply even 10% of the bloated federal budget to a real trust fund, and begin saving your contributions to earn simple interest. That this simple approach seems impossible speaks volumes about the inability of Congress to cut spending no matter what the circumstances.
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"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country."

True...I have heard that before.

However, Paul has consistently called Reagan a failure....Reagan is the cornerstone of the current Republican establishment.