Originally posted by jimbo999
Ever hear of Bear Poaching?

Know WHY they poach bears in N America?

Because the Chinese will pay top dollar for their Gall Bladders (Bile).

J.

No that's not the reason why. First, it's a totally different species of bear. Second, that's really not the reason why, it's because populations of bears in N. America are large enough in most cases to be sustainably hunted. Sustainably. Hunted. As game, you know, like deer. People do it. They apply for permits and are only allowed to hunt certain demographics of bear. It's a completely different issue. Although I have heard of some people harvesting gallbladders from bears in North America but as far as I know those cases were very weird and isolated.

Here in Germany, the purpose of hunting is to sort sick animals out. You have to spend several hours at a special school and in the end you have to do a exam. You need to know the anatomie of any animal you get to hunt. Then you can go hunting in the area they give you. Most wild animals like deers or wild boars
you can buy here at the meat house are farmed in closed areas.

There are to many idiots with a weapon in their hands out there. I have no problems with hunting if its done for a purpose, not for the fun of it.
For me it sounds like in USA you only need a weapon and 5 minutes for a permission.

And we still trade with these people and buy their cheap labor. Seriously cut off china!!! I don't want my country to have anything to do with them.

Originally posted by Mcupobob
And we still trade with these people and buy their cheap labor. Seriously cut off china!!! I don't want my country to have anything to do with them.

And you think "your country" would not be effected if they went down that route with China and cut all ties? If you think your country would not be effected, then you are ignorant. Are you another one of the ATS posters who post on stupid comment, and just leaves the thread before someone makes them look stupid? I think so

Stories like this make my blood boil.

China has no conscience, and no degree of cruelty is beyond China.

Beware of China, a horrible cold race of people.

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
Stories like this make my blood boil.

China has no conscience, and no degree of cruelty is beyond China.

Beware of China, a horrible cold race of people.

And we have another person who will only post once people they have nothing else to say. Your primitive way of thinking is what makes this world a bad place to live. You are just as bad as the people who do these horrible things because all you do is spread hate. Whats the bet you don't post on here again?

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
Stories like this make my blood boil.

China has no conscience, and no degree of cruelty is beyond China.

Beware of China, a horrible cold race of people.

It's not everyone in China. Believe me, most people don't support Traditional Chinese Medicine, or at least not to the degree where it impacts animals to this degree.

As it has been said, many countries and cultures have been known to cause "animal suffering" through a variety of means. Is this any worse than cows, pumped up with hormones and antibiotics, in highly uncomfortably conditions, hooked up to milk pumps? Is this any worse than meat farms? I don't know, you tell me.

And for everyone... this isn't a "story". That's such a weird word. This is something that happens, in a place where you don't live, in a culture that you're not familiar with. It's something that people who are interested in ethics, or traditional healing, or wildlife policy (such as myself) have been aware of for ages... and something that is "new and terrible" to those who are uninformed and who lack the context to understand this as anything more than a pro-PETA story.


Also, although people in the USA may seem like barbaric animal-killers... it's really not that easy to get permits for things that don't have exploding populations. Many organizations are out there defining how many "takes" per year is sustainable for different species in different areas. And hunting is permitted only during certain periods of time. It's an interesting fact known to many ecologists that the hunting culture has actually led to more funding and more research on the health of many species of animals in this country. And by health I don't mean medical health, I mean things like population density, reproductive rate, food source availability, migration patterns, and other important things to know. Not for hunting, but for conservation. In the USA, many say that hunting regulation and research is the best thing to happen to conservation biology.

I just lost my faith in humanity..

Its hard to see a bear runnng head first into the wall..

But, if they say it happened, i guess it happened.

Im a late responder to this posting... but i have to say, it disturbed me today as much as it would have a month ago when it was posted. I read alot of you guys posts, and i agree with most...
after 40 years of being a typical "american" getting fat, bbq-ing the cheapest burgers from the store.. i opened my eyes to the plight of animals on farms and through the world... i been vegitarian for 2 years now, with no looking back. I also became an animal rights activist for things such as this. I live in Boston and there are a few protests here and there that help show the common person what goes on at mcdonalds, korea dog food farms etc.. nothing will change over night, but i know one thing.. when it comes down to it, i do NOT participate in any animal sufferings, AND i can say that i at least do SOMETHING other then be pissed off... even though it might be holding a sign with a bunch of tree huggers.. even if i can help save ONE animal... it is worth it.. i know i WONT be guilty of such crimes like this. nor will i be guilty of doing NOTHING...
You know.. i love people too.. and i dont wish harm on anyone.. but when i see ignorant people like this doing things like this innocent creatures... sometimes when i hear about a tsunami, or major earthquake, or some disaster that wipes out thousands of people im happy... because i think about how many innocent lives like those bears are saved and how some of those people deserved a catastrophe like that.... im a grown man and pictures like this actually make me cry.... this is not what life was meant for... not for us, and not for the animals... there are times i wish 2012 really will happen and wipe everyone and everything out... then innocent suffering of animals and people will finally come to an end....

Well, if anything pisses me off... I don't even know if I should post but, ..

*pop quiz!*
What could/would drive a captive predator animal to kill its young, and not for food but to release it, then attempt its own life?

Answer: Chinese myths!

Apologies if that came off racist, I assure you I am not, but I'm an Ojibwe of Canada, born and raised. I respect all wildlife, sometimes more so than my brothers and sisters. Hearing of all the brutality these Asians do to animals in "search for cures" is sooooo wrong. None of this stuff "cures" anything except their need for M-O-N-E-Y and bloodlust. Dolphins, whales, bears .... Why not harvest from their own peoples stomachs instead? Surely after ingesting this "cure" ... their peoples' bile should suffice by now???? Don't even begin to say "Animals have no conscious thoughts like humans" ... This story proves otherwise.

Japanese slaughter dolphins in such a brutal manner also, check out the movie "The Cove".

If anything pisses me off... LEAVE THE ANIMALS ALONE!!! Enough damage is done by turning their homes into human residential areas, and dumping tonnes of plastic and toxic waste into the oceans....