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Undeniable Evidence Of Fakery In Utoya Shootings Story

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by AboveTheTrees


Isn't it just a question of angle and perspective?


No. Look at how deep the jetty is at the near end of the railing, where the
walkway angles down in the 2nd photo. It is almost body height.
Now look at the first picture where the policemen are sitting.
Their feet are comfortably touching the ground.
Why is the sign post missing from one picture?
Where are the steps? etc.
Come on.




posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by pshea38

Originally posted by AboveTheTrees


Isn't it just a question of angle and perspective?


No. Look at how deep the jetty is at the near end of the railing, where the
walkway angles down in the 2nd photo. It is almost body height.
Now look at the first picture where the policemen are sitting.
Their feet are comfortably touching the ground.
Why is the sign post missing from one picture?
Where are the steps? etc.
Come on.


Please read my first post on the first page of this thread. I've clearly explained all of the so called "discrepancies" you claim to have found. This is black and white for anyone with an ounce of common sense.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Thill
Hi , this actually look spretty inetresting , not saying that this has to be some photo manipulation but it does look like something is way of if this is the same place .. Maybe there are two different piers that look very alike in the same area?

Edit : I don't know the more I look the more I think this is a matter of perspective , but I still have issues with the missing steps ..
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Look at the jetty in the 2nd picture. It slopes down and drops to the ground where the guy
is laying. This is clearly not the case in the 1st picture.
Again why is the sign post missing from one picture?
Also the steps are missing.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 08:52 AM
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I'm losing hope in humanity.

Yesterday the same thing happened in a thread about Elenin.

Some people freaked out, saw stuff and interpreted it incorrectly.

It was explained clearly, some people got it.. Others continued with the conversation either ignoring or missing the factual evidence presented to clear up the mistakes.

Ugh. ATS should change it's motto to "feed the ignorance monster!"


OP - you should get your camera, find a location that could be compared to this one.. Something with similar features. Doesn't need to be a fence post, just a sign or a tree..

Walk around the focus of your image in a semi circle, test different distances, snap a picture every few feet and then examine your work. You will see the same effects at play as in the images you've presented here.

I understand the desire to find holes in the official story, but stuff like this just makes the real researchers look like goons. This is a lack of viewer understanding, not media or government manipulation.

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 08:58 AM
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Here is yet another image, that shows the steps to the right, and the little post on the left. The Jetty is out of frame to the left. No faking going on.



This thread should be closed.

st.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 09:01 AM
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I can understand how people may have problems matching these photos in their head.

I am not trying to insult anyone but people who cannot accept these pictures are the same have problems with depth and perception. I'm guessing you could have little problems driving too. Its nothing major but some of us see things different from others.

The arguments been raised by some people here could go on until the end of time because some people just haven't the ability to perceive why something is missing from one of the pictures.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Backslider
These photos are the same. The first photo is a close up of the stone walkway, the far right of the frame would be just left of the post surrounded by shrubs in the second image.

The stone steps are not visible in the second image because the image is being taken from a different angle.

The sign post is out of frame in the second image. It would be a couple feet to the right, based on what I'm seeing.

The length of the pier appears different in these images only because of the angle at which they were taken.

The height of the pier/jetty is the same. It looks misleading because in the first image you are further away. The person in the grey shirt and black pants in photo #1 is in approximately the same area as the closest police officer in photo #2. Look closely and you'll notice there is an incline where these people are, behind that incline the jetty is much taller.

The brush on the shoreline that is "absent" from image #1 is out of frame, to the right.

These images are of the same location. The break in the fence, the tree behind and to the left of the fence (from our viewpoint), the way the stone walkway inclines approximately 1/2 way up it's length, etc..

Got your spectacles on this morning?



I refute everything you say.
In picture 2 the jetty slopes down and drops vertically to the ground as can clearly be seen
by the man laying on the ground there, at the same level as the guy wearing just the
swimming trunks. This is clearly not the case in picture 1 as the policemen are sitting
on a raised section beyond where the jetty slopes down, which is clearly not ground level,
and is clearly not present in the 2nd photo.
I'll not go into the rest as i have a feeling i would be wasting my time explaining.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Human0815
Can i ask you something?

How is your Relation with the Cluesforum?
Is this yours?


My relationship is fine with the cluesforum.
I recommend a visit to investigate the brilliant work done there to anyone,
and perhaps there would be less gullible fools around if more took heed.
Yes it is mine. I noticed these discrepencies and posted them.
If i didn't, i would credit who-ever did.
Is that it?



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by JohnySeagull
you were right about one thing. this definitely should be in skunkworks.

photos from 2 different angles. no fakery. try and imagine yourself in one of the pictures looking around. i think both match up perfectly.


I never said it should be in skunkworks. Can't you read?
Any thread mentioning video fakery on ATS is dumped into either
skunkworks or the hoax bin even though it has been proven beyond
all doubt that video fakery has been utilised to a greater degree in
events like 9/11, 7/7 etc. and now the events in Norway.

Both pictures DO NOT match at all. I am aare of the angle difference and have
taken it into account, and it doesn't explain anything!



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by SatoriTheory
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Undeniable?


There is no fakery, other than your thread title! You clearly have no understanding of either perspective or camera angle.

Hang your head in shame sir. Epic fail.


st.

Edit: Had a quick look at the wwntoday website that you linked, it revealed this image...


Notice the steps in the upper right.
Maybe you should spend a bit longer researching OP.

edit on 9-8-2011 by SatoriTheory because: Added image


Edit2: Yet another image, looking directly up the pier/jetty. No fakery, just a different viewing angle.

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What have you proven? Nothing. These photos are not consistent with one another
because they are computer generated images and human error accounts for the
discrepancies better that any weak perspective or angle arguement. Go through the
link i provided and you will observe a vast number of similar discrepancies that you
just would be unable to explain away. But hey, lets put everything down to
misinterpretation by ignorant observers like myself, and move on. Right?
I hold my head high sir!



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by pshea38

Originally posted by Human0815
Can i ask you something?

How is your Relation with the Cluesforum?
Is this yours?


My relationship is fine with the cluesforum.
I recommend a visit to investigate the brilliant work done there to anyone,
and perhaps there would be less gullible fools around if more took heed.
Yes it is mine. I noticed these discrepencies and posted them.
If i didn't, i would credit who-ever did.
Is that it?


I really like People who are working investigative but you
cant use this Photos for a real Investigation,
they give you nothing and have absolute no value!

You will never learn what really happened there
by Press-Photos, check private Photos instead,
and don't freak out by 2 Photographies!



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by GBP/JPY
those are two different places....one can see the angle brace at the end of the handrail is located differently...that thin white angle piece....


Well at least you recognise the differences i point out which you can only explain
away by suggesting that they are two different locations.
But i think they are (badly) meant to represent the same location.
As i said, the second post in both pictures is snapped in the same
place and in a similar manner.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by pshea38
I refute everything you say.
In picture 2 the jetty slopes down and drops vertically to the ground as can clearly be seen
by the man laying on the ground there, at the same level as the guy wearing just the
swimming trunks. This is clearly not the case in picture 1 as the policemen are sitting
on a raised section beyond where the jetty slopes down, which is clearly not ground level,
and is clearly not present in the 2nd photo.
I'll not go into the rest as i have a feeling i would be wasting my time explaining.


In the 2nd picture it does not slope to ground level, the person to our left of the person in swimming trunks is leaning against the continuation of the structure. There is a small slope in both pictures which can be seen both by the walkway and the white fence.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by pshea38
What have you proven? Nothing.

Then you must be blinded by your desire to see what you want to see.
I provided images to show the steps are still there, just out of frame from the images you provided.
I provided image to show the post is still there.



These photos are not consistent with one another

They are consistent, very much so.



because they are computer generated images and human error accounts for the
discrepancies better that any weak perspective or angle arguement.

Yes, your human error. Look at the white fence in both pictures, they are at very different angles. Therefore the perspective and angle arguments are THE arguments.

As a previous poster has mentioned, some people have trouble with perspectives, that seems to be your case here. No big deal.

The pictures are not fakes.

st.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 09:57 AM
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OK, I've notated 6 reference points to make this easier for some.

1: Break or brace on the white fence/handrail.
These line up and are easily identifiable in BOTH images. The break or brace is on the 3rd rail when counting up from the bottom. Note that the first rail is not visible in Image #2.


2: Lower elevation point of jetty/pier.
This is the low height portion of the jetty. In both images, by using the people in the images as reference points, you can estimate that at this portion of the jetty it is approximately 2.5' tall.

3: Stairway
The stairway is clearly visible in Image #1, but is out of frame in Image #2. The stairway would be out of frame on the right side of Image #2. I've notated and drawn an arrow to show you approximately where it is.

4: Gravel area, left of plants in image #1, behind plants in image #2.
People are saying the images are not the same because of these plants. Again, these plants are out of frame in Image #1, but Reference Point #4 is in roughly the same area in both images. Note that in Image #2 Reference Point #4 would be BEHIND the plants, which are out of frame in Image #1.

5: Stone portion of jetty/pier.
This is an area of the jetty that looks to be made from stones. You can see this in both images, although it's much clearer in Image #2.

6: Gravel/dirt pathway - left side of pathway has a small strip of vegetation, then the pier.
The right side of the pathway is bordered by vegetation, not visible in image #1. Again, in Image #2 this Reference Point would be BEHIND the plants, which are also out of frame in Image #1.

I should have also referenced the post, which would be near Reference Point #6 in the first image, but would be nowhere near Reference Point #6 in the second image. Perspective, it's a b$%#@.







It's really, really disappointing that one would have to go to such ridiculous measures to prove what is already obvious. I'm not trying to knock anyone down here, but when you are wrong you are wrong.
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by pshea38
 


I think you might be on to something. It's like spot the differences in the two photos of exactly the same area and I found many descrepencies. We know there was alot of loss of life (true count?), and it appears media is photoshopping?

I'd be interested to see more, this is part of what ATS is all about. No, I don't think you are being disrepectful at all. If you have more, go ahead and post.

In the meantime I'm still trying to wrap my head around why the Norwegian Socialist Party wanted Israel bombed by NATO forces months before this incident and if there is any truth to it!
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Thank you for your sense. There are so many similar photographic and video anomalies
that it would seem that anyone doubting the level of incorporation of fakery into this whole story
is blind, a fool or has an alterior agenda. This thread has already been dumped into the
deliberate hoax bin and this says alot to me about mindset of this site. I hope you will
take a look at the link i posted in the OP, where you will realise swiftly that all is not quite
as it seems or as it has been reported. I will post more unexplainable (except in terms of cgi)
picture anomalies later on. Also The whole israeli connection is discussed in the link. I
believe that the Norwegian prime minister is Jewish, funnily enough.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 05:46 AM
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Maybe you could have a look at this and try it out?

www.mediacollege.com...



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 08:28 AM
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'Backslider' has it right. All of the discrepancies can easily be explained when you consider these pictures were taken from two different angles.

No fakery, no photoshopping, no conspiracy. Just different angles.


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