Feds may be muzzling scientist over Arctic research

Feds may be muzzling scientist over Arctic research

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SUMMIT COUNTY — Last summer’s Deepwater Horizon oil-drilling disaster in the Gulf of Mexico clearly showed the conflict between science, energy policy and politics, and the looming battle over drilling in Arctic waters will be no different, as a watchdog group claims that federal scientists are being muzzled and harassed over their efforts to disclose potential impacts of energy development in the fragile Arctic marine environment.

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Global warming deniers like to claim that governments are in some unholy collusion with scientists to promote "falsehoods" about the environment and global warming... well, that's probably true to an extent, but for the EXACT OPPOSITE REASONS that deniers believe it to be.

The more you read/learn about the interactions amongst scientists, governments, and corporations... the more you learn that the scientists are victims in a system of government which has been hijacked by wealthy/powerful private entities. Essentially... if ANYTHING, scientists are being pushed to play DOWN the threats of development, resource extraction, fossil fuel use, and anthropogenic global-warming by higher-ups so as not to offend the plutocrats and the oh-so-infallible markets/industries.

These occurrences are blatantly corrupt, unscientific, and tyrannical. And in a time when we're facing massive ecological collapse... those responsible should be held to the highest scrutiny, accountability, and public justice. Global warming used to (and ought to) be a scientific and non-political issue... now it's been falsely transformed into a political/partisan war which guarantees that, no matter how insane the lies are (i.e. global warming denial), half the country will inevitably consume and regurgitate them without regard to actual facts but instead to an endless, illusory divide-and-conquer ploy to lock the populace in a bitter stalemate in furtherance of corrupt agendas of the rich/powerful.
IT ENDS NOW.

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reply to post by NoHierarchy

This is the very odd thing isn't it. Anyone doing some research uncovers a watering down of the global warming evidence to fit in with the weak willed behaviour of politicians bending to the pressure of big money. You would think people, especially those here on ATS would have alarm bells ringing in their ears no matter what their original belief was.

The level of global warming is being covered up not the other way round.

Originally posted by malcr
reply to post by NoHierarchy

 

This is the very odd thing isn't it. Anyone doing some research uncovers a watering down of the global warming evidence to fit in with the weak willed behaviour of politicians bending to the pressure of big money. You would think people, especially those here on ATS would have alarm bells ringing in their ears no matter what their original belief was.

The level of global warming is being covered up not the other way round.

Absolutely.

If anything, the IPCC reports were too conservative in their predictions. In fact, the field of Climatology is NOT divided on the question of whether AGW exists... they're all way beyond agreement that it does; they're also way beyond agreement that its consequences will be significantly dire. However, the REAL divide within Climatology is between scientists who believe consequences of AGW will be pretty bad and those who believe they'll be hellish.
Alarm bells indeed!

reply to post by NoHierarchy


You are so right in your statement - this is exactly what is steering Science but unfortunately it always has done, the only difference now is that people are beginning to wake up to the fact. We also have quite a few Scientists beginning to retaliate but unfortunately - when it puts food on the table and pays your bills - your going to think for a very long time before whistleblowing and then when you do - folks won't believe you.

Well Shell did just got permission from the US to proceed in the Artic two days ago.

Shell artic

Originally posted by EartOccupant
Well Shell did just got permission from the US to proceed in the Artic two days ago.

Shell artic

An interesting coincidence...

Thanks for the info.

ay i don't understand something here. twice a year some global warming scientist gets busted for obviously making something up and still it must be true? manbearpig anyone?

scientists at the ipcc were called corrupt when a few of their members were busted for falsifying data. but luckily they were cleared of any wrongdoing... by the ipcc????

spend 6 months, take a look at the data as a whole, the evidence really isnt there! the real issue here is there are no real controls on what scientists are aloud to claim as fact. peer-reviewed never meant much but now its totally meaningless. if you're pro gw publish an article in "stupid humans killed our planet weekly" if you're anti gw? try "to hell with hippies monthly"

at this point the question one must ask isn't IF someone has been brainwashed on this front but WHICH SIDE did the brainwashing. the data is inconclusive at best, and we can't predict whether or not its going to rain next week. weather, especially global weather is too complex a system to be easily understood given the laughably small time we've been collecting data. anyone who says otherwise is selling somthing

Canada silenced it's scientists over the Pacific Salmon die off.

We all want to believe that this time, our time is unique. The religious zealots want to tout this is the age of the return of some messiah or mahadi. The earth worshipers want to believe this is the most critical time for Earth ever. All the same cherry-picking of observations to fit to ego-based behavior.

True science and math is astonishingly rare in both directions on the climate debate. Research funding-based conclusions for the continuation of their stream are the norm.

Before you slam me for not hopping on either bandwagon for or against AGW, is there ever any hope of pure science based on absolutes (which there are few of but do exist). Is there any hope of ever removing the emotional fires from too early conclusions based on fear and funding based agendas? I say impossible.

AGW has quite obviously been bs for a while now and heres a little bit more proof for y'all

AGW aka ManBearPig

Originally posted by theXammux

".....scientists at the ipcc were called corrupt when a few of their members were busted for falsifying data. but luckily they were cleared of any wrongdoing... by the ipcc????"


.... the data is inconclusive at best, and we can't predict whether or not its going to rain next week. weather, especially global weather is too complex a system to be easily understood given the laughably small time we've been collecting data. anyone who says otherwise is selling somthing"

Two things to think about here. The data was manipulated and the data shows extreme swings in the weather. I contend it goes back to the Electric Universe theory and the magnetic poles swinging wildly are sympton of the condition. As are the extra number of firing volcanoes and the obvious uptick in major earthquakes. These things prove to me something external has to be the answer because IMHO man is only capapable of nominal changes at best to the climate. Cut down a rain forest and you will alter it. Send CO2 out that plants love to use to produce trees and other plants you improve the planet for all. Nothing could be simpler if the brainwashed would shake off the fact they have tried to accept what are proven deliberate manipulations. Hockey stick graph believers I suppose would be what those of us who are tired of being called names for harboring a will for the truth based on true science a scientist can sink his teeth, If I were that type.

I believe my eyes and the data I find at various more scientific sources and it contradicts the IPCC. As well as Al Gore who had access to a car that runs on water via demonstratably easy to extract H2 and promotes it NOT. Nor does he invest in it at this point.The data says a lot of things changed on the outer planets and they want to call out what are turning out to be careful, thoughful, real scientist who have numbers that show the real truth as some kind of global warming deniers? Face it, being able to deny it isn't easy if there is no data to support the claims and there is very sufficient doubt that these guys from IPCC can tell the truth anymore. They are impeached as sceintist with me and I am a professional enviromentalist. Flat out lying about data and repressing the scientists data that questions their data is very bad business in a field such as this. This is NOT Wall St. this is the scientific process being used like a political football. Designs are made from facts and when false data is added to the mix then wrong conclusions occur. Some are fatal.

Bout time the Feds start ignoring distorted, deleted, and manipulated data these pseudo-scientist use to promote global warming.

Every time I hear "fragile" and "Arctic" in the same sentence, it makes me want to puke.

Im sorry, but only in the US is global warming a "debate". Everywhere else it is accepted, and i think that has to do wholly with the fact that there is so much investment and moneyed interests that will be harmed by accepting the gw paradigm here. It is easy to see that man is adding drastically to the decline in our world. First off there is the massive destruction of our forestation around the world, with much of our forests already destroyed, our main atmospheric uptakers of CO2 have taken a huge hit contributing greatly to an incremental increase in CO2. Sadly, small changes in atmospheric CO2 have a serious effect on our oceans due to the gas exchange between water and air, which makes our oceans acidic as they absorb more CO2 from the air....this has destroyed 90% of our worlds coral reefs....which are the main incubators of all animal life in the ocean. This alone has made huge changes, read destruction, among the fauna of the ocean, and will become much more evident in the near future as the ocean becomes less and less an abundant source of food.

Regardless, whether you believe that GW is man assisted or not, that is no excuse for companies and societies to be irresponsible in cleaning up their messes. Already it is obvious that we destroy much of our environment through our irresponsible destruction of our environment in our pursuit for profit. When the natives were the only inhabitants of america, they could drink from any river, now all the rivers are poisoned. In many third world nations, the water, plants, and local wildlife have been contaminated by big industry, leading to illness in those who eat or drink them, with no one taking responsibility as natives in south america and africa are sickening and dieing. Already rainwater in many areas is considered unfit for drinking. The main societies controling this are so self absorbed and greedy, with so little social values or responsibility that i imagine it will be too late before they repent the damage they are doing to our beautiful land.

As the global famine worsens all the global warming deniers will be screaming "why didn't you tell us"

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Originally posted by theXammux
ay i don't understand something here. twice a year some global warming scientist gets busted for obviously making something up and still it must be true? manbearpig anyone?

scientists at the ipcc were called corrupt when a few of their members were busted for falsifying data. but luckily they were cleared of any wrongdoing... by the ipcc????

spend 6 months, take a look at the data as a whole, the evidence really isnt there! the real issue here is there are no real controls on what scientists are aloud to claim as fact. peer-reviewed never meant much but now its totally meaningless. if you're pro gw publish an article in "stupid humans killed our planet weekly" if you're anti gw? try "to hell with hippies monthly"

at this point the question one must ask isn't IF someone has been brainwashed on this front but WHICH SIDE did the brainwashing. the data is inconclusive at best, and we can't predict whether or not its going to rain next week. weather, especially global weather is too complex a system to be easily understood given the laughably small time we've been collecting data. anyone who says otherwise is selling somthing

yes.

what he said

reply to post by NoHierarchy

the REAL divide within Climatology is between scientists who believe consequences of AGW will be pretty bad and those who believe they'll be hellish.

reply to post by Justoneman

Cut down a rain forest and you will alter it. Send CO2 out that plants love to use to produce trees and other plants you improve the planet for all.

Not if you cut down all the trees and there's nothing left to convert CO2 to oxygen. Not if the native plants aren't adapted to the "new" climate and weather patterns.

…You focus on the cause of climate change, and don't seem to question that it's happening.

…I agree that our climate is affected by numerous factors - some beyond our solar system and even our galaxy.

That said - our planet's climate is definitely changing, and has been for a while. Canada opened up the Yukon for homesteading over 10 years ago - and it is (was) barren Arctic tundra!

The main evidence for climate change is in the news - food shortages and rising food prices - so bad that food riots are starting to break out everywhere, not just in the "Third World."



And of course, the booming survival food industry.

Crops are failing around the world - and obviously our climate is changing - that's why the really rich guys looted the world and cleaned out everyone's coffers. From the gold in Fort Knox to every nations' food reserves.

Global Food Chain Stretched to the Limit

They're positioning to let everyone starve, then walk in with the guns 'n power when the dust settles. Again. Starvation is the most effective kind of terrorism and population control.

…a closer scrutiny of war/famine situations shows that in most cases famine is linked to disrupted access to sources of food that are usually available, rather than to their absence.

…We need to completely change our food production (and most everything else) to deal with climate change, but it's not happening.

1 MILLION pounds of Food on 3 acres. 10,000 fish and 500 yards of compost!

A few of our politicians are trying to stick their fingers in the dyke to protect ordinary people. But it takes money and time to plan and implement changes - the money's gone and we're out of time.


Also see:
Millions of Americans Are Heading to Foodbanks for the First Time in Their Lives

Warning Of Food Price Riots In The UK

Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012!

Food Shortages: Crop inventories fall further than previously admitted

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by malcr
reply to post by NoHierarchy

 

This is the very odd thing isn't it. Anyone doing some research uncovers a watering down of the global warming evidence to fit in with the weak willed behaviour of politicians bending to the pressure of big money. You would think people, especially those here on ATS would have alarm bells ringing in their ears no matter what their original belief was.

The level of global warming is being covered up not the other way round.

Absolutely.

If anything, the IPCC reports were too conservative in their predictions. In fact, the field of Climatology is NOT divided on the question of whether AGW exists... they're all way beyond agreement that it does; they're also way beyond agreement that its consequences will be significantly dire. However, the REAL divide within Climatology is between scientists who believe consequences of AGW will be pretty bad and those who believe they'll be hellish.
Alarm bells indeed!

Total BS, this consensus they speak of does not exist. The lines are drawn along funding for research. The "97% agree" stat that the alarmists keep pushing is bogus, it was an online survey that only about 100 were allowed to vote on.

You're being played like a fiddle.

reply to post by AGWskeptic


Review the facts, not emotional opinions.

See above. ...There's even a Fox News bit for you.

Originally posted by soficrow
reply to post by AGWskeptic

 

Review the facts, not emotional opinions.

See above. ...There's even a Fox News bit for you.

You're way too far indoctrinated by the IPCC for anything I say to change your opinion.

Read the resignation letter Hal Lewis sent to the APS. Read Judith Curry's blog (a woman Al Gore called brilliant).

It will be a slow process, but you will see the cracks if you look for them.



The other part of the debate (see definition of debate, something that has never existed in the alarmist movement) is that even the scientists who buy into AGW say that there is very little we can do about it. CO2 is a trace gas, and the amount man puts out is a trace of a trace. By the IPCC's own estimates, if the whole world adopted Kyoto the effect on global temps would be .1degrees reduction at best.

So they want us to completely redo the distribution of energy globally, spend trillions on alternative subsidized energy, and keep the 3rd world in the 3rd world to save .1 degrees. It's lunacy.

Look at the felons at the CRU. Even they admit that there has been no warming since 1998, it's getting colder, which is why they had to "hide the decline".

Search "hide the Decline" on youtube, it's done by Minnesotans for Global Warming. It's mostly for fun but it does a good job of showing what Climategate was all about. It also shows the corrected "hockey stick" graph the IPCC used for 4 years after it was discredited. This one has the Medieval Warm Period in it, something climate scientists want us to forget.