AT LAST, THE "WATERGATE" of 9/11 :
DULLES INT. AIRPORT, GATE D18, the departure of the FAKE FLIGHT 77.
The REAL FLIGHT 77 departed from GATE D26, as always.
Balsamo, the owner of P49/11T, says the fake flight departed at a northern gate, D9 or D11.
I say it did not, but definitely at the southern Gate D18, and this has serious consequences for every 9/11 researcher, thus also for the pilots at
the P49/11T forums.
Balsamo treats it however as one of the many little and big achievements of his pilots, while it is the groundbreaking event we needed to corner all
these FOIA released "official" flight data, this is the simple and understandable for anyone, evidence, that they are all false.
This is the Pilots for 9/11 Truth main pages text, written by Balsamo, where he comes to a totally wrong departure gate conclusion :
Title : AA77 Departure Gate
Aircraft Departure Gate Positional Data Conflicts With Government Story
Latitude/Longitude Coordinates Reflect Departure Gate Other Than Reported :
02/28/11 - (PilotsFor911Truth.org) It has been reported that American Airlines Flight 77 departed Washington Dulles International Airport at
approximately 08:20 AM on the morning of September 11, 2001 allegedly from Terminal Concourse D Gate 26 (1). However, the Flight Data Recorder
positional data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board tells a very different story. --snip--
After adjusting a Lat/Long offset based on drift prone to the navigational equipment utilized, the positional data has the aircraft departing a gate
further east of Gate D26 and on the north side of the Concourse.
It did not, it departed from a southern side gate, Gate D18, and I will show irrefutable evidence why, in the rest of this thread and this post.
This is his zoomed in, wrongly overlayed map of the D-Concourse at Dulles, with the (proved false) FDR lat/long datapoints overlayed in the wrong
The maps are not identical, the overlayed datapoints map is bigger - -i.o.w. further zoomed in- - than the D-Concourse map, that's why a
difference-error of circa 45 meters is introduced, the north-south distance between parked planes at north and south gates from the D-Concourse ) :
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The following four pictures are screenshots from that "AA77 Departure Gate" front page piece by Balsamo, as it stands already from 2 Feb 2011 with the
faulty information in it.
I attended Balsamo several times on his error in his board threads about the AA77 departure gate, board messages and board email, but got vitriolic
responses and then banned, so there is no other way to expose his errors and wrongdoing to new members, than bringing it to this neutral 9/11
Note that the wrong overlayed pictures in that "AA77 Departure Gate" page are all by Balsamo, and not by member Jan "tume" Zelman, who came at first
to the right gate conclusion, D18, just as member Aerohead did before him.
These are screenshots from that P49/11T "AA77 Departure Gate" front page piece by Balsamo :
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Here Balsamo makes his serious overlay error, note the difference in elevation and eye alt :
281 ft and 13,664 ft in the original, INS-shift plots picture in the second screenshot;
294 ft and 15,933 ft in this third screenshot of the corrected for lat/long plots-overlay on top of that second screenshot picture.
You see nota bene the original INS-shift values shine through at the bottom of his "corrected" lat/long datapoints picture in the above third
The lat/long data points are of course different, since you have to shift the original INS-shift erroneous data points back to the runways and other
known taxi lanes, arrival and departure points.
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How on earth Balsamo ever could conclude to Gate D9 or D11 as the departure gate for the plane depicted in those false flight data from the FOIA
requests, is a complete mystery for me.
If one looks at this above, last picture by him, one can say for sure that those two gates are totally out of range for a, shifted to reality,
lat/long-corrected eventual next picture.
The yellow square M2 must then shift 3 or 4 gates to the right to reach D9, which means that the plane would have to break through the D-Concourse
from north to south to get to the taxi lanes and Runway 30, when strictly following his southwards leading blue squared data points, after the plane
turned south while taxiing.
How on earth could two intelligent Pilots for 9/11 Truth forum members, Jan Zelman and aerohead ever give up their first, rightful conclusion that
Gate D18 was the real departure gate depicted in those, thus false, FDR's subframes lat/long data points?
It makes me wonder if there is an atmosphere of silent terror introduced at the members of those forums, i.o.w., "I am just a tenant here, don't upset
our landlord" atmosphere.
There is such immature and childish behavior shown by the admins there, that it made me wonder sometimes, if we perhaps talk to "stuck in their teens"
9/11 researchers in possession of a heap of aeronautical reference books and links.
Mature people don't instruct their forum software to change links to ATS forums, Pumpitout forums and JREF forums into "funny" unclickable links,
making it impossible to fast-read while clicking links in their forums.
I admit that a lot of good work has been done by those members there, but show some self esteem, guys and galls, don't blindly follow your leader,
stay critical towards all new information, there is nothing wrong with questioning new data. Or old.
And ask for a tad bit more democracy in those P49/11T - forums.
This is the "" 9/11gate, "AA77" FDR numerology "" thread by tumetuestumefaisdubien (Jan "tume" Zelman) at the Pilots for 9/11 Truth discussion forum
All fame should go to him. I'm just the messenger. But I'm just a tad bit more persistent in countering totalitarian and dictatorial website owners
who can't bring themselves to admit an error in a reasonable time span.
Jan Zelman offers in the first link already a very precise plotting of latitude and longitude datapoints from the (now obviously falsified) FOIA
released Flight "77" FDR (Flight Data Recorder), which is offset quite a lot from the real runways and taxi lanes.
At arrival late afternoon on 10 Sept 2001 the offset was +/- 250 feet / 76 meter in the northwestern direction and +/- 3400 feet / 1036 meter in the
At departure early morning about 08:12 a.m. on 11 Sept 2001 the offset was +/- 3000 feet / 914 meter in the southwestern direction and +/- 750 feet /
228 meter in the southeastern direction. Note that these are rough approximations, Jan can do a better job than me.
But Jan offers a simple and logical manner to correct these drifts and arrive at the real arrival and departure positions on the runways in that same
thread. Just fit them into the runways and taxi lanes and their corners.
Note especially, that latitude/longitude data from real FDR's are very precise, and Jan Zelman took all his datapoints from the P49/11T member
UnderTow his FOIA-FDR coordinates, and partly the ones send to Warren Stutt from Australia, FOIA released Flight 77 FDR, which we now can conclude is
an "officially" falsified FDR, since 77 did not depart in that false FDR from its usual, for many years already, Gate D26.
That real departure gate of Flight 77 on 9/11, Gate D26, has been acknowledged by many American Airlines employees, checking as usual, boarding
passes at the usual Gate D26 in the early morning of 9/11. They all swore that Flight 77 that morning departed from its usual gate, Gate D26. And the
family of the passengers also admitted to Gate D26 as the last place where they saw their loved ones alive.
In that officially handed over, false FDR however, the false plane acting in that false FDR, did NOT depart from the proven normal Gate D26, but from
Gate D18, as shown to us by its precise lat/long datapoints derived from the UnderTow's coordinates and also partly the first departure coordinates
given to Jan Zelman by Warren Stutt, who decoded that false FDR himself with software designed by himself. That's three more gates and more than 110
This is Jan Zelman's plotting, with lat/long points derived from the UnderTow's coordinates and I compared them to Warren Stutt's decoder program,
which have been checked btw against other decodes of the same (false) FOIA released FDR send to totally different FOIA requesters in other countries,
and are identical to the lat/long data points in those FDR's :
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Read his post #6, he notes a few, in his eyes, suspicious planes departing from the north side gates around the same time that the plane at Gate D26
(the real AA77) departed. Around 08:12 A.M.
But he comes in that post to a wrong conclusion regarding the real departure gate as shown by the lat/long positions in the subframes of that false
FDR the government handed out to those asking for it in FOIA requests, he suddenly follows blindly Balsamo, who wrongly concluded Gate D9 or D11.
In fact it is definitely D18, a southern gate. As Jan first rightly concluded.
Jan Zelman also came already in an early stage of his research to the same right conclusion of Gate D18 as the departure gate that is in fact depicted
in that false FDR subject, their
""9/11gate"" thread :
but Balsamo talked him out of it, based on his own wrong conclusion of a northern gate as the false FDR's departure gate, Gate D9 or D11. He deducted
that from his own copy of the (false) FDR's subframes, he said. And showed pictures to "prove" his opinion, which are proof itself of his wrong
method, used to come to that wrong conclusion. Balsamo clearly overlayed two pictures with different dimensions, as you can see at the bottom text
lines in that picture shown by him in his main page article. One with the lat/long data points plotted in as rough blue squares, and one of an aerial
photo of Dulles Airport. They have very different dimensions, with enough difference to come to such an erroneous conclusion. He's about 45 meters
wrong. A few meters more than the width of the D-Concourse building itself.
And when I politely attended him on his mistake, he changed his attitude towards me in a very uncivil manner, banned me begin of April 2011 for a
month he said, but I still can't login there.
And childishly branded me as a Troll in all my past posts there.
The man has a serious attitude problem with anyone not following exactly his line of thought and his reasoning.
Just compare that same obnoxious totalitarian attitude of Balsamo towards nota bene Jan Zelman, on whom he based most of his information, to construct
his P49/11T main page piece written by himself with that basic overlay shift error of 45 meters, Balsamo made in it.
You can read and see his attitude in this thread there at P49/11T,
"9/11gate, "AA77" FDR numerology"
Jan is clearly not allowed by him to hold to his rightful conclusion that the departure originated from Gate D18 south. See his post #39,
where he shows to Balsamo his rightful conclusion, with added picture
) that the false plane (falsely labeled AA77 by the FOIA released FDR) departed from or very near Gate D18.
Gate D18 south of the D-Concourse as the departure gate of the false plane in the false FOIA released FDR.
Then in a few more posts by a clearly irritated Balsamo, he pressed Jan to accept his, Balsamo's, wrongful conclusion of a Gate D9 or D11 north of the
D-Concourse as the departure gate.
Jan Zelman, Post #39 :
EDIT: I've also plotted and subsequently overlayed this:
Not to support Mr. Stutt, but to show how almost exactly the pathway pattern fits the pattern of the relatively narrow taxiways, contrary to some of
the latest Mr. Farmer's "ideas" about the INS in-flight alignments. And there's I think clearly the push from the southern side of the Concourse D is
possible and could be quite logical, but definitely not confirming the gate D26. (and yes, to avoid silly notes, I did exactly
adjusted the overlay picture scale to have exactly same dimensions as the original pathway pattern )
I have the impression from his above words, that Jan got himself a bit irritated too by the persisting of Balsamo towards a wrong departure gate, but
did not want to risk a confrontation with him, knowing how he reacts on any too stiff opposition.
Post #41, the Balsamo irritation is growing exponentially :
QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 1 2011, 10:56 PM) *
For the third time, see here.
It seems only those with a verified aviation background understand this.
And for perhaps the 4th time, the aircraft should have never left the ground with an IRS more than 1/2 mile in error. ENDQUOTE
Jan Zelman : But I'm having not the verified aviation background and it seems to me I understand that.
As I wrote, I don't insist on the idea of the INS adjustment and I'm not insisting even on the south side pushback. What I insist on (- and
that's why I mainly posted the picture to show how closely the pattern fits the needed taxiways pattern confirming relative exactitude of the
positioning - contrary to the Farmer's brand new "idea" about the sheer "inexactitude" of the IRS when the plane is on ground (LT: must be INS,
Inertial Navigational System) is that the answer to the question:
D26? is: No way.
(I measured the maximum E/W displacement of my pathway plot - derived from the UnderTow's coordinates - from the taxiways margins and I found