Originally posted by Hydroman
Originally posted by AQuestion I suppose there is a lack of communication going on here. I
asked you about people who do good things for others who aren't christians. You said, " it means that they have the heart of Jesus and will be
appreciated for such a thing" What does that mean? He will appreciate you, then throw you in the fire? I don't get it.
I did not say that those who are good and do good will be saved, how you can quote that for me. None are good but God, that is what my bible says,
why put the words of some pastor or whoever that you don't believe in my mouth?
Originally posted by AQuestion This came up because I said that non-christians, those
who don't follow jesus, can do great things for others, such as feed the hungry. Most of them may not even believe in Jesus. They can still love
one another without Jesus in the picture.
I will answer you in order. It does say that none comes to the father except by Jesus, it didn't say by knowing his name, now, his name is powerful;
but, can he love people who do not know the name, the deaf for instance or is it a spelling question in which case I would ask if the illiterate could
know Jesus. It is by knowing his heart and being in accordance with loving one another.
Originally posted by AQuestion Again, wow. Whoever believes in Jesus's heart will be saved? What?
So, they may not have even heard of Jesus, nor the gospel, but can be saved as long as they believe in his heart? That is new to me.
Same for the second sentence (you were taught a lot of wrong things by your church), it says whoever believes in Jesus, again not his name, his heart.
It says that many who come to him and say Lord, Lord, will be turned away and that he will tell them that he never knew them, how does that mean that
if you know his name and story you are saved? That is not what it says.
I have not used the quote function much because I was chastised and corrected by moderators for doing so; but, I have used it this time and I think
for a good reason. I want to answer you and refer to what you said.
Firstly, I did not say that those he appreciated would be thrown in the fire, please I am not one of those who preached garbage to you, I am not a
preacher and I don't follow the traditions, I follow the bible. You skipped what I said about Moses being saved and not knowing the name of Christ. I
said, it is about knowing the heart of Christ, the person and not the name. Christ loved the world so much that he gave his life for us, he loved the
world, that means all of us. Anyone who loves all of us has the heart of Christ, I do hope that clarifies; but, perhaps you disagree.
I am very disappointed in your second question, why would you would you want people to go to hell because they didn't get the memo? You ask if people
who never knew the name of Jesus or read the bible could be saved, do you really believe that God would condemn them? Why would you even think of such
a God? The fact that God loves us all is new to you? Your church did you wrong. Do you not know that it says that nobody can deny that they saw God,
that he was in the stars and in people and in everything, do you think he only was in these things after Jesus was on earth? You were told some really
silly things by these people as you now say these things were silly; but, don't assume I believe the silly people that taught you. We are in
agreement, you were taught things that are wrong, don't ask me to justify them.