If you were a pet would you know, would you care?

If our race is viewed as we view yellow jackets, we have a problem.

reply to post by Jinglelord


The difference is: more than not likely, humans --- being the concious creatures that we are --- have the capacity for learning just about anything [about everything], I believe. No not every person born in an Einstein or a Mozart; but the potential is there. You can teach pets very basic things, i.e chasing, pooping in the litter box, etc. The spectrum of learning for an animal from a human, is almost negligible; especially in comparison to what humans can/will teach each-other.

I don't think it's intellectually fair to say that a cat is to a human, what a human is to an alien being. Look at us only a few thousand years ago, hunting with spears and living in grass-mud huts. Now we're sending vehicles into space to other planets, interacting with the world right at our fingertips via "magic" boxes, creating virtual universes, opening the doors of science and technology on so many different levels, and it's all progressing exponentially. A few thousand years ago wild cats roamed the Savannah, and modern day.....the wild cats are roaming, hunting on the Savannah.

I see what you're point is but, I don't believe an alien intelligence will be so far above our level of understand that it's literally impossible to comprehend. The only case in which I suppose we won't be able, is lifeforms that exist in higher dimensions; you can reference "Flatland". I'm not sure how the human mind would react to spontaneously existing in dimensions above 3 spatial and time. Perhaps we'd go insane, perhaps not and being who we are, could adapt.

reply to post by Raelsatu


I tend to agree with you about the human mind and ability. But I also can imagine a possibility where there are things our brains just can't comprehend and we couldn't possibly learn.

If we are really honest with ourselves and take a step back our advances really aren't as impressive as they seem. We have little to no understanding of how thoughts work or function outside of watching brainwaves and how they react, there are many phenomena we regard as magic or ignore altogether which clearly isn't magic and is real. Remember for all our advances there is far more we don't know or can't do than there is that we do know or can do.

There is a real phenomena called the 100th monkey phenomena which observes that separated populations of animals will take behavioral adaptations from other groups of the same species if enough from the separate population adopt this new behavior. Along with many other examples that suggest some sort of psychic connections. We haven't a clue how this works. I think we might be able to sort it out but must accept there is a chance we can't. Maybe our brains can't understand it?

I don't know if we can or can't, I lean to agree with you that we can; but am prepared to accept we can't.

Perhaps a better comparison would be Homo Habilis trying to design a space craft... We can't do it now but perhaps we can become a creature who can.

I don't have any answers, only questions and opinions.

reply to post by Jinglelord


Amazing way to view this.

Sweet.

Can there be a web bigger than the lot of us?

Whoo hoo! !

Cheers big ears!( just a sayin lol)

reply to post by Jinglelord


Good post.

The thing about humanity, is that it truly is a collective consciousness, and is progressing towards higher levels with a cumulative momentum. Thoughts and ideas are collective. An idea can spawn out of nothing, and with some time and dedication we manifest it. There's no one man who can understand all there is to know; but as a collective consciousness --- a species that immerses itself in knowledge --- we are like a glass of water. One molecule akin to a person, with an idea, dips into the glass, bonding with those around him. With time, evaporation removes some of the molecules from the glass, but their ideas remain intact by interchanging between each-other. In return more molecules are added, and either spawn new ideas of their own or build upon the previous ones . For as long as we continue to exist, there'll be a struggle toward a possibly unattainable end-result --- omniscience; but I feel that before then things will change so that we desire to improve the spirit, which in turn will coincide with science.

I haven't heard of the 100th monkey phenomena, but I'll look into it more. Perhaps it has some relation with quantum mechanics and the connection between everything. Some examples that sound similar are dream sharing, astral projection, remote viewing, precognition; all real phenomena that are currently in-explainable by science.

I think you should give humanity more credit. Yes many of us are still ruthless, amoral, immoral, selfish, apathetic, greed-driven, materialistic, manipulative, narcissistic, and instigators of violence (the elites). But I feel some of us, including me, wish more for the human race. Wish to spread love, put our sights onto the future of science and technology and spiritual development, abandon all wars and differences that set us apart. That is my true wish. Something like aliens coming to contact us and teach us, would bring us together I feel.

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The web that surrounds us is us and the real question when we ask if we understand is the question of self awareness and understanding.

It is interesting to me that one test "Modern" science uses to determine the intelligence of an animal is if it recognizes it's reflection as itself.

This leads me the question of what is it we do not recognize that others might see as simple. There is in my opinion evidence all the thoughts in our heads are not necessarily our own. What if a test for intelligence is recognizing thoughts communicated to your head as not of your self? Can we even comprehend that?

What if we already are pets and the world is a giant vivarium being kept for the entertainment of creatures we simply can't comprehend? Would we know? Would we care? What if these creatures view our entire line of technology as silly because they have progressed to energy and pure thought? No matter how advanced our technology becomes the entire line of focusing on the material is a dead end?

Again I don't know but it sure is fun to speculate.

reply to post by Raelsatu


I really do give humanity much credit and am proud to be among us. I do think that ultimately the hairless chimps will grow beyond where we are but at present we are not there.

You hit the nail on the head in my opinion. Yes we are a collective. If I may stray off the topic it is my opinion that we are part of a larger collective consciousness shared by more than simply humanity. "Universe" One Song. It is all one organism whose ultimate size is not fathomable by the parts. If their was a consciousness which was able to comprehend the whole enchilada we would call it God.

It gets awfully deep and we could dig for hours. I'm just not sure what we're digging through. Rich soil or or a big pile of...

I feel the same as you do, the pets I've adopted I do not see a property. I wouldn't mind so much if the "superior benevolent " in question came down to help the earth in the cases where much needed, but not specifically myself, as I'm doing alright, etc. Treating us as 'pets', no, unless they choose the path of greed with us as that, going beyond a purpose of change in the right direction but to rather use us for their own benefit.

Great topic

I always felt there was something prophetic about that old Porno for Pyros song. We'll make great pets. I heard that tune the other day and considered starting a thread similar to this.

Question is, are we the pets of the elite ore something otherworldly.

Cool that you bring this up. Just more proof of something strange happening with the coincidental thoughts of man.

reply to post by Jinglelord


Yea we could really discuss it for a while because it's a philosophical question, one which diverges into other areas raising even more. I think about the universal consciousness as well, and the concept becomes more uncanny once you delve into sacred geometry, fractals, frequencies, Metatrons Cube, the flower of life, etc. The deeper you go, the more aware you become of the connection between everything. If you try talking to some people about these kind of things they'll think you're some new-age spiritual nut. But I'm thankful for ATS and the internet in general for connecting people like me and you so we can discuss the things that really matter.

As long as we're being looked after by our superiors, whether terrestrial or non-terrestrial, we're all fine and contented. Flip the coin and show us a threat and we fight until one side backs down.

Simple human/imal nature so no, if benevolent I'd seek knowledge and wouldn't care if I was seen as just a pet because I've had decades of the same feeling courtesy of my peers and government.

Originally posted by curious7
As long as we're being looked after by our superiors, whether terrestrial or non-terrestrial, we're all fine and contented. Flip the coin and show us a threat and we fight until one side backs down.

Simple human/imal nature so no, if benevolent I'd seek knowledge and wouldn't care if I was seen as just a pet because I've had decades of the same feeling courtesy of my peers and government.

edit on 2/8/2011 by curious7 because: wanted to type "animal" but figured I'd invent a word

I agree with your views, but what if they were so humble that we wouldn't even realize the that we are pets. they may not even realize that we are their pets, but only someone looking from the outside in would see that relationship and see us their pets.

Its really got my brain rattling today .

reply to post by Jinglelord


I just have to say that your contribution to this thread has been phenomenal, thanks for making this an awesome discussion!

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mmhm agreed I don't like rules or authority in any way. but what if we were having such a good time we didn't even know we were their pets! its possible.

reply to post by intergalactic fire


yes some people are bad pet owners and some are good. some animals make bad pets and some make good ones. even among good domesticated animals there are those that are aggressive or passive, don't want to be petted or held. theres a whole spectrum within the scinerio.

And about my bunnies rather living in the wild. they are captive bread and have no knowledge of the wild. Im sure they also have no idea that they are pets, or even what they are.

Which can also be said about humans. we don't really know what we are, we know what were made of, but not really what we are or where we came from, and we know so little about outside our planet. And a lot of whats on our planet is still a mystery!

We do take our buns' out a lot though, they always come for long car rides, and we take them to the beach and parks. very good bunnies. We even take them to pet stores when we buy their food. our boy bunny actually picked out our female bunny in the pet store. now they're inseparable (both fixed though lol)

reply to post by OUNjahhryn


This question can be so much more complex than I should even begin to say why, but I will anyways.

For one, how are we to assume all Aliens would be benevolent? The same way you have benevolent, animal loving people, you also have evil people who torture animals for fun.

We are not to determine for a fact (one, if Aliens even exist) if they would all be benevolent, we just wouldn't know. That said, if say, a few Aliens came down and started treating us with kindness, you could very well have evil ones coming down and exterminating us "for the hell of it".

Attack the Human race, and certain enough, things are about to get ugly.

pest

just ask the fish does he know of mars or of jupiter. no there stars in the sky

Originally posted by kwasny
If our race is viewed as we view yellow jackets, we have a problem.

i have met a few beings not from this dimension during my life.
they were also seen by other people, cats and dogs, not just my imagination.
most people went hysterical, and some still had mental issues months later, so maybe humans are just not ready for reality.

they seem to look at humans, as humans look at squirrels at their bird feeder or a skunk in the back yard.

people are funny, but they don't expect much from us.

as to being pets, think of how a coyote or wolf would look at a yorkie, dachshund, or other little poochie.
funny thing is that probably neither would want to exchange places.

If the OP has never seen this movie then I highly recommend it, called "Fantastic Planet", an animated film done in the 1970's.



The reality of "pets" is that some are cared for and loved, and some are considered just animals and are left to live a life without affection or nurturing. Such as the dog that is tied to a tree for a lifetime, or the bird that sits in a cage and never knows another bird. Very sad.

Zoos are even worse! There are the tricks and performances that are put upon the beasts; elephants are probably one of the worst examples of why we should not make them pets; they are social creatures who require the kindness of their kind!