Tea Party triumphs! Drives America to greatest crisis since the Civil War!

you don't know what their true objective is? Well I'll tell you: limited government, freedom, and a return to the constitution.

Well, the original tea party at least of Ron Paul. Not really sure what the Palin Pea Party wants, more wars, more debt, basically they're democrats in disguise.

Neo, you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. You keep on claiming the social programs are responsible for the mess we're in now...when in reality, the 2 largest single-policy contributers to the defict are corporate tax incentives (and no, they don't stimulate the economy and cure unemployment...since companies are getting those incentives they FIRED more people) and defence spending. The 2 very accounts the right isn't willing to fix...instead, they go after PROFITABLE programs like social security.

And no matter whether you like those programs or not, not having them HURTS CONSUMER SPENDING, which hurts the overall economy...which in turn increases unemployment.

To give you example: This guy tried to do major surgery on himself with a knife because he couldn't afford real care. The cops had to move out (extra cost), and now he required fist aid anyway. So in short, he's now costing the government MORE than if he had proper healthcare in the first place. By not having propper healthcare, he cost all taxpayers MORE.

You can't just look at spending in isolation, you need to figure out the wider impact. And if the impact harms consumer spending, it's the last thing we currently need.

Sadly, my guess is you don't really care about facts and will continue to blame the wrong government programs, without ever thinking about the wider consequences.

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What do you expect from a political group that names themselves after an event that they truley don't know the actual events of?

reply to post by neo96


Dude you're killing them and they have no clue and can only offer lame excuses. I don't know why you bother you have more patience than I do.

Originally posted by jjkenobi
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Dude you're killing them and they have no clue and can only offer lame excuses. I don't know why you bother you have more patience than I do.

Actually, several facts have been presented that highlight what nonsense he's trying to spread around...but he, amongst others, are simply ignoring facts.

Read my last 2-3 posts and it should be clear why Neo's wrong in this case...

But you believe him to be right. So tell us, how exactly is he right?

It's DEMOCRATS and SOCIALISTS who start World WARS.

Obama said there are 70 million waiting for their Social Security checks. The Baby Boomers are just NOW getting to the age to become eligible to apply, so soon there will be another 70 million who will need Social Security Checks.

That's 140 million.

60 million are on Food Stamps. So there's 200 million. Veterans Affairs has 7 million Veterans on it's doles...so there's 207 million who the Government owes. There's 1 million in the military....up to 208 million the Federal Government needs to pay....Between all the Federal employees and their contractors, Supreme Court judges...Congressmen..and all the Federal Agencies there's likely 25 million needing pay checks...so that brings the total to 233 million.

We've probably got 5 million in Federal prisons to support....that's 238 million....school kids need Federal appropriations for school....likely 45 million school aged kids....thats 283 million the Federal Government needs to support.....GM/DODGE/Banks were all Nationalized and now on the Federal Dime...there's probably 17 million employees tied up with them now on the Federal dole....

Who the heck is working to pay all of them?

Nobody....so the Democrats/Socialists need to get money somewhere's......CHINA.

Their dead souls might keep the Left/Democrats going another decade.

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The mere fact that you are talking about millions when the budget defict is TRILLIONS highlights how little cutting social security would help. Add to that the FACT that it's fully self funded until 2035, and even until approximately 2080 if they cut payments to 75%, and it's even more abundantly clear what hogwash you're trying to make people buy into.

And lastly, if you cut SS, people have less money to spend...ergo, consumer spending will suffer. As a result, the economy will suffer and we'll have higher unemployment, more poverty, and companies will make LESS MONEY. Less money for companies results in less tax income through corporations...and guess who'll pick up that tab...yes, you, the tax payer.

In short, you too have no clue what you're talking about

Again, the largest single-policy contributers to the deficit are corporate tax incentives and defence spending. The others don't even come close.

But who cares about facts, right?

It's DEMOCRATS and SOCIALISTS who start World WARS.

Are you suffering from memory loss? Who started the most expensive war in US history (yes, it's now costing more than WW2) over in Iraq and Afghanistan? You might wanna read up on it...it was BUSH and Cheney. Last I checked, they're not democrats.

It sure is time to liberate all the debt slaves (Federal Reserve)

and then proceed on to burn down the government plantation (Awesome government education centers and welfare traps)

welfare society always fails

socialism/communism kills ingenuity as it forces others to conform to its belief systems just like the church
(Cambodia, China, USSR, Nazi Germany)

embrace individualism and self reliance before the hand the feeds you kills you

reply to post by Pervius


You do realize that a person can collect more then one benefit at a time? And I am pretty sure that the education budget has already been drawn out. That is one of those consitent things.
Social Security has nothing to do with teh budget, is not in crisis, and is set for the next few decades. During allt he recessions it has never not been paid or has failed.SS is a non issue.

I drink tea.

Had to cut up the wifes credit card the other week because she would not stop spending my monney and would not get a job.

she had a right go at me telling me to cut out my hobby of weekend bombing that costs the family a mere $3bn a week.

Still i'm bigger than her so i'll just have to slap her round the face and put her in hospital if she goes on.

Tea anyone.

Article one section ten of the constitution indicates that in 1913 the biggest treasonous act in this country's history was perpetrated.

Anyone who argues along party lines without realizing simple facts in this case is biased, uninformed, or IS informed and therefore a shill or incapable of understanding simple concepts.

America was sold out in 1913 people. You people bash the tea party for not trying to perpetuate the nonsense. Ask Ron Paul what the answer is because he's about the only one out of 536 with any common sense.

The two party system has been designed for the common man to be stuck in. Sorry. The truth hurts. I was duped too. The sooner we educate and realize that there is a group of men conspiring against the world, the sooner we can figure out how to fix it.

The 536 people that are in control of the country DO know the deal. They CAN fix the treason occurring currently. But they need your support. We need unity. We need for people to stand together and not be swayed by opinionated nonsense.

Don't take anything that I or anyone else tells you at face value. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. DON'T BE LAZY. Don't let others tell you how to think.

There is a REASON we're in this mess, and the msm and your reps are unwilling to tell you because they are bought and paid for by the same people we're trying to defeat.

The change needs to come from the people. The people need to unite.

FREE THE PEOPLE.

END WAR!

END THE FED!

reply to post by Master_007


That's the really scary part. Every party is now talking about spending cuts...but if you actually bother looking up what kind of spending they wanna cut, you realize it's a TINY amount because they're not willing to tackle the accounts that are responsible for most of the deficit. As long as corporate tax loop holes and defence spending aren't fixed, nothing will improve. Sadly, corporate tax loop holes won't be fixed because the politicians are now working for their corporate donors rather than the people, and neither will defence spending given how strong the military lobby is.

I'm writing up an economic analysis of this entire mess (for my real life job), and the scary part is, no matter what they do, it's pretty clear that the US has years of hard times ahead of them. And that's assuming they actually fix something instead of only applying bandaids (aka cutting teachers' salaries) instead of really fixing things. Gonna post a quick summary of it all later tonight

Originally posted by MrXYZ
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That's the really scary part. Every party is now talking about spending cuts...but if you actually bother looking up what kind of spending they wanna cut, you realize it's a TINY amount because they're not willing to tackle the accounts that are responsible for most of the deficit. As long as corporate tax loop holes and defence spending aren't fixed, nothing will improve. Sadly, corporate tax loop holes won't be fixed because the politicians are now working for their corporate donors rather than the people, and neither will defence spending given how strong the military lobby is.

I'm writing up an economic analysis of this entire mess (for my real life job), and the scary part is, no matter what they do, it's pretty clear that the US has years of hard times ahead of them. And that's assuming they actually fix something instead of only applying bandaids (aka cutting teachers' salaries) instead of really fixing things. Gonna post a quick summary of it all later tonight

I wouldn't call cutting teachers a band aid so much as a controlled bleeding or leech treatment.

End the income tax
Enforce Capital Gains and Corporate taxes (that is where ALL the money is)
watch the economy recover.

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Are you suffering from memory loss? Who started the most expensive war in US history (yes, it's now costing more than WW2) over in Iraq and Afghanistan? You might wanna read up on it...it was BUSH and Cheney. Last I checked, they're not democrats.

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Did you notice Saudi Arabia unplugged THEIR currency from the US dollar, said they were going to start the Gulf Monetary Union...and weren't accepting US dollars for oil anymore?

Why do YOU think we are so desperate for fuel....we started drilling the shales under New England for Natural Gas even though it's ruining our water supplies there?

That's why Bush went to Iraq. To get you OIL to have electricity and so you can drive your car.

Since you don't want to kill the Saudi's for stabbing us in the back....Bush had to kill a few Iraqi's JUST for you.

If you quit using electricity and the internet in shame for what he had to do for you we will all understand.

The only reason THIS war is so "expensive" is because Bush had to SHAFT the Saudi's out of hundreds of BILLIONS they had invested in the US...which started a worldwide panic and market pull out.

The actual COST of killing the Iraqi's is actually quite low. It took 1 million bullets in the Vietnam War to kill 1 North Korean....plus hundreds of bombing runs with B-52's to take out each village since we didn't have guided bombs. What you THINK we spent in the war...isn't what was spent in the war.

What you THINK we spent on the Iraq War...ISN'T what we spent on the Iraq War. DOD had to use $$$$ to fluff up the Stock Market to cover the Saudi money we ripped from them....and other countries as well.

Originally posted by James1982

Entitlements... yeah, that's it.

Tell me, exactly, why AREN'T people entitled to Social Security and Medicare? THEY PAID INTO IT. It's THEIR money.

Please, stop with this entitlement crap. Unless the government wants to give back all the money they have stolen from people's paychecks for 40 years (SS + Medicare) then people deserve their SS and Medicare. Or do you support stealing money from American citizens? Because that's what refusing SS and Medicare would be.

The government is in this problem because of overspending on the Military, back-room deals with corporate America, and the destruction of the free market. They have crafted this country's economy, they are in control of the boom and bust cycle. Every bust just gets worse and worse, because it's all basically fake.

The government needs to get out of the economy, the fed needs to go, and people need to start working again. Cut 75% of the government overnight, and military spending. Problem solved.

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I agree with all of the above except for people on SS that haven't paid into it, they need to be taken care of by private charities. However, the gov't needs to pay on the promises it has made and people that have paid into the system their whole life need to have those promises fulfilled.

In fact, I'm in my late 30's, I'll happily give up any and all rights to the money I have already paid in to fulfill the current obligations if that means I'm allowed to not pay one more damn cent into these programs. Star for you!

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That's why Bush went to Iraq. To get you OIL to have electricity and so you can drive your car.

Oh really...that means Bush is a complete lunatic given that we only get 6.27% of our oil imports from the countries we invaded. The majority comes from CANADA and is 100% secured...unless you're suggesting Canada wants to pull the plug on the US

LINK

Since you don't want to kill the Saudi's for stabbing us in the back....Bush had to kill a few Iraqi's JUST for you.

The reason why Saudi Arabia doesn't want their currency pegged to the US$ is because that currency is now worth as much as toilet paper thanks to the reckless deregulation of the finance industry killing the economy and forcing the government to increase spending as a result. It's the same reason why in the medium term, the US$ won't be the world's reserve currency anymore...and this will happen 100% in the not so distant future.

If you quit using electricity and the internet in shame for what he had to do for you we will all understand.

Bush didn't go there to ensure our access to oil. He did so because his corporate sponsors (Halliburton & Co.) wanted access to those fields, to make more profit...and being good lap dogs to corporations, politicians were happy to oblige.

The only reason THIS war is so "expensive" is because Bush had to SHAFT the Saudi's out of hundreds of BILLIONS they had invested in the US...which started a worldwide panic and market pull out.

The global crisis was caused by reckless deregulation of the financial industry...the mortgage market to be specific. Not because of the Saudis

Read "The Big Short" by Michael Lewis (or watch his interviews on Youtube) if you care to know the truth about the crisis.

The actual COST of killing the Iraqi's is actually quite low. It took 1 million bullets in the Vietnam War to kill 1 North Korean....plus hundreds of bombing runs with B-52's to take out each village since we didn't have guided bombs. What you THINK we spent in the war...isn't what was spent in the war.

We know EXACTLY how much that war cost us (excluding wider economic effects): LINK

What you THINK we spent on the Iraq War...ISN'T what we spent on the Iraq War. DOD had to use $$$$ to fluff up the Stock Market to cover the Saudi money we ripped from them....and other countries as well.

We didn't rip them off by buying less oil from them (which isn't even the case, our Saudi oil imports haven't gone down), and even if we bought less, how is that ripping them off? That's like saying not spending as much on food is ripping off your food store.

In short, PLEASE do some research before buying into talking points politicians force-feed you!! And I mean all politicians, not just the right or left.