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posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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Read the manifesto- or at least skim it towards the end.

He shot up the Labor party which he sees as the embodiment of everything wrong with his country in conjunction with running a false flag op on jihadi sites. Had he done it correctly he would have riled up anti-Muslim sentiment not only amongst the Norwegian population but within the Labor party itself which gives asylum and Norwegian citizenship to hunted terrorists such as the leader of Ansar al Jihad. One of his false flag posts on a jihadi board was made to sound like it came from Ansar al Jihad itself because the Norwegian government is refusing to extradite a former leader.

In doing so it seems that he wished to effect social change IAW what he wrote in his manifesto- much in the same way there are 10,000 posts here advocating the killing of police officers, judges, lawyers etc.




posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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Any word on what he was armed with? Seems hard to imagine that one man could take out that many, but I guess it is possible with training/opportunity. Still seems odd.


Deebo



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 06:26 PM
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He had an AK5 which is a version of the FN-FNC 5.56x45mm rifle. It was of Swedish manufacture and not Norwegian military issue (they use an M4 variant).

He also was armed with a Glock 17 9mm pistol and there are conflicting reports of shotgun carriage as well.

Given a standard 210 round rifle combat load, 49 round pistol combat load, 700 people on a postage stamp island with no egress and no armed resistance his body count was low- thank the gods.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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AK 5C and a Glock 9mm

The AK 5C is an extremely dangerous and extremely effective weapon in the right hands. Uses 5.56 ammo which causes great damage in its victims.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by johncarter
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AK 5C and a Glock 9mm

The AK 5C is an extremely dangerous and extremely effective weapon in the right hands. Uses 5.56 ammo which causes great damage in its victims.


Actually the 5.56x45mm NATO round is notable for NOT causing great damage. This is why there has been a shift to 6.8mm rounds by Special Forces in the US and the reintroduction of the 7.62x51mm NATO M-14 and variants thereof.

The 5.56 in MilSpec configuration does nothing more than make nice neat holes with small temporary wound cavities, minimalizing hydrostatic shock.

While any firearm in the right (wrong) hands is dangerous and effective- had the shooter been armed with a rifle chambered for a typical hunting cartridge the body count would have been much higher as hunting rounds are designed to impart all of the kinetic energy into the target through controlled expansion, ensuring clean kills.
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posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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his buisness growing watermllons he set up 5ish years ago was how he mostlikely got the fertalizer farmers need feralizer....problay part of his greater plan too



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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Umm..Have you been shot with this cartridge?

The 5.56×45mm NATO cartridge with the standard military ball bullet (NATO: SS109; U.S.: M855) will penetrate approximately 15 to 20 inches (38 to 50 cm) into soft tissue in ideal circumstances. As with all spitzer shaped projectiles it is prone to yaw in soft tissue. However, at impact velocities above roughly 2,700 ft/s (820 m/s), it may yaw and then fragment at the cannelure (the crimping groove around the cylinder of the bullet).These fragments can disperse through flesh and bone, inflicting additional internal injuries.

In any case to the children this ammo was sufficient enough to cause great mayhem and for those surviving scars for the rest of their lives.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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The guy surrendered him self when the police arrived according to the "BBC" Full story can be read below RIP to everyone who got shot :/.


The suspect surrendered when approached by police officers, police said.


www.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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I know all there answers aren't out yet, but I say there is no way that he did all this by himself. That's alot of people to kill for just one man even with lots of ammo. The bomb didnt even go off in the same area he was, though that's not to say it couldn't have been timed or remote detonated.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 06:56 PM
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The suspect in custody gave out a you tube url to a video called knights templar 2083 . seems this is being hailed as a crusade against marxist multi culturism. its a interesting video into the mind of this man or its a perfect fit for the DHS new video campaign.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by johncarter
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Umm..Have you been shot with this cartridge?


No- although I have been shot twice with the 7.62x39mm M1943 cartridge and shot quite a few individuals with the SS109


Originally posted by johncarter
The 5.56×45mm NATO cartridge with the standard military ball bullet (NATO: SS109; U.S.: M855) will penetrate approximately 15 to 20 inches (38 to 50 cm) into soft tissue in ideal circumstances. As with all spitzer shaped projectiles it is prone to yaw in soft tissue. However, at impact velocities above roughly 2,700 ft/s (820 m/s), it may yaw and then fragment at the cannelure (the crimping groove around the cylinder of the bullet).These fragments can disperse through flesh and bone, inflicting additional internal injuries.

In any case to the children this ammo was sufficient enough to cause great mayhem and for those surviving scars for the rest of their lives.


Now do educate yourself by looking up the 6.8mm SPC cartirdge which was designed specifically at the request of US Special Forces to address serious shortcomings with both the M855 and SS109 round in terms of incapacitation even after multiple center of mass strikes. Additionally this is what the experimental Mk262 round was developed for in addition to being a cost effective alternative to a completely new cartridge as new bolt/barrels would not need to be manufactured.

What you posted was true of the original lead core round, however your mish-mash of uncited, cut & pasted, Wikipedia quotes addresses the M855 and SS109 round- both of which are non-deforming steel core armor piercing rounds.

Since you seem to like Wiki here's a tidbit of info you either overlooked or deliberately left out:


Wikipedia on 5.56x45mm NATO
Combat operations the past few months have again highlighted terminal performance deficiencies with 5.56×45mm 62 gr. M855 FMJ. These problems have primarily been manifested as inadequate incapacitation of enemy forces despite them being hit multiple times by M855 bullets. These failures appear to be associated with the bullets exiting the body of the enemy soldier without yawing or fragmenting.


Funny how that is exactly what I said isn't it?


I will restate- the 5.56mm round is ineffective when compared to typical hunting rounds. It is not the "I shoot you in the little finger and your arm blows off", super secret, bullet of black death that you make it out to be. The fact that it is being replaced as quickly as a suitable alternative can be found speaks more to the subject than I ever could articulate here however.
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posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 07:00 PM
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Has anyone noticed how the two pictures they have of this guy were taken at one photo shoot? Haha it's like they just ripped some Norwegian model off the street and went MKULTRA on his a$$...

Just my two cents.

S&F for you, OP!



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 07:02 PM
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I know there are many assumptions here, flying about, and rightfully so. The best thing we can do is wait for more details to emerge and see if the facts hold water.

For what it's worth, after reading some posts, i do think that perhaps something more convoluted has taken place. Too many signs point in that direction (and not just because of what members here have posted).

We'll just have to keep picking away at what is already known (and can be dug up) and will be made known down the road.

No doubt there will be mix of truths and lies because stories as big as this are always spun. This is what ultimately divides people on the "facts" of an event and keeps the truth from becoming fully known.

Hopefully, the picture will come more into focus soon.

Respect,

-AS-

PS: Smallpeeps, can you give sources to the facts you've stated. I'm interested in what you've posted on Pg 2.
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posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 07:03 PM
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The yawing and fragmenting of 5.56 ammo is not very reliable, less so with full metal jacket rounds. Hollow points and soft tipped 5.56 rounds don't really yaw either they are designed to impart all their energy into the target. Not sure what he was using, but the 5.56 round isn't all that powerful, but obviously kills.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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You seem to know your stuff. Respect. I take back what I said about the ammo but still, we are talking about children here. To start discussing which type of ammo has best kill effect on a child is a bit weird dont u think? We should instead be discussing the real motive behind this drama. Who benefited from this slaughter? And why now, curiously close to the coming default of USA, the R Murdoch mess, the D Cameron scandal, and many other distasters, all converging into a strange nexus not far ahead of us.
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posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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You won't believe why he carried out the attacks! www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 07:06 PM
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Most definitely


My sole concern is to give out info as accurately as possible. It's why all of us are here.

Heck we've gotten to the bottom of more things in these threads than 99% of the world has, faster than they have- including the Norwegian cops!



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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Thank you for explaining that. It is so hard to understand why he could do such horrific things to his own people, all unarmed, all kids, and shooting a girl in the face for no reason at all---how cowardly is that?



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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If he made his escape it would have been the PERFECT false flag op.

He bombs a government building and on the way to the island he (or another conspirator) posts to jihadi websites acting as an Ansar al Jihad (AKA Ansar al Mujhaideen) member claiming credit and promising more attacks. He then shows up on an island packed with Labor Party children and starts shooting. His singular failure in the execution of the plan was he got gassed and captured. Had he ditched his outer clothing, wore a second set underneath and ditched his weapons he stood a good chance of getting off the island.

This sequence of events is actually elegant in it's execution.

The Labor Party has given safe haven to islamic extremists for several years now. This of course angers him as he is an admitted Christian Zionist. Through the bombing and shooting he angers the Norwegian citizenry and shakes the confidence of the Labor Party in regards to their own position. By posting false flag statements to jihadi websites he brings blame on muslim extremists and by extension Labor for allowing them into the country and granting them citizenship.

Of course there were several other things that got brought to bear such as the jihadis themselves questioning the veracity of the posts as well as his manifesto & web presence which is a massive OPSEC/PERSEC violation that might have led to his eventual identification and capture after the fact.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 07:18 PM
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The actions of a monster are not easily explained Tib. A certain amount of fathers and mothers are crying now. Their children will not return home. Their rooms remain empty. The parents left with black holes in their hearts, unable to understand what happened and more importantly, why?

Somewhere out there beyond their minds horizon of accessable information, certain sinister groups have finalized another black op, turned another leaf in their black book of disasters upon humanity and approached their percieved end of all good things, another small step before the great fall.
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