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Originally posted by Jordan River
Originally posted by AprilSky
Are you one of Christ disciples? No so you don't know what they mean at all ...
Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
This is what is wrong with you Christians ... the bible clearly points out their is a mystery to the parables and yet you think you understand them ... laughable really!
don't you mean, apostle?
Maybe I am and maybe I am not. Who are you to tell me what I am? Again, your agenda, You blatantly think you know people. Wow, I gave you piety and now you judge me? Really? You think I am not a disciple? Really? Amazing, this man needs to be pope, or at least hitler. Every time you say something, you make yourself look silly . Disciple is those who follow Christ. Here it is in wiki. en.wikipedia.org...(Christianity) Seriously stop talking. Your wrong again. Wrong again. How many times must I circle you until you bury yourself in your own grave?
The Majesty is in parables, Judaism took it literal (circumcision), I myself am a Messianic Christian (judean-christian) . To learn the secrets of the kingdom, one must study it and take either their interruptions or those of scholars. again, religion/spirituality not so black and whiteedit on 10-7-2011 by Jordan River because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by AprilSky
Do you not think those who supposedly followed Jesus all around were not also his disciples then?
Probably very dedicated and yet Jesus said no they were not to know that they meant and he has spoken to YOU also in parables, has he not ... so no he has not told you the true meanings or there would be no parables!
You see ... I am not tying to be rude here but really talking to you Christians is very tiring.
Can you not for one second get that the bible is a fable written by men with an agenda?
Jesus never existed.edit on 10-7-2011 by AprilSky because: revoved word
We dont need a new belief --belief is not based in reality--system,we dont need a new faith--faith is not based in reality--,WHAT WE NEED IS THE ORIGINAL TRUTH,the pure unadultered universal truth,the truth of humanity,that we are all born perfect and with purpose ,and that purposeful perfection is a part of the process of participating in a shared reality ,one we have the ability to express our emotions and hence our free will within,in a healthy progressive humanitarian manner.
No belief,no faith,these things are lies and are not required even in our vocabulary,we require the universal truth..
And fortunately people are here sharing just that ,the truth of the reality they are experienceing,there is no right and wrong just harmony and forward progress or a lack of harmony and stunted damaged progress.Its religons that require a right and wrong system to enable punishment and forgiveness which are false concepts integral to religons existance.
Truth and harmony,truth leads to harmony so it is self proving,no need to fear deception,harmony is pure and natural and we are all born tuned into it if we are exposed to the sound.
One world ,one voice,one song,one future.One4all.
Originally posted by Jordan River
No, cause I am trying to make you more open minded towards people with different viewpoints other than your own. You still have no evidence of anything
Originally posted by AprilSky
Originally posted by Jordan River
No, cause I am trying to make you more open minded towards people with different viewpoints other than your own. You still have no evidence of anything
Actually I have done stacks of research into religion and it's origins etc.
I know for a fact that Jesus is the retelling of the same story .. over and over again.
It has been told many times now and each take removes the truth a bit more and gives men more control.
You also have no proof ... there is almost no historical evidence of Jesus and yet he was meant to have been such a great man, there is evidence of heaps of others in history at that time but why hardly anything on Jesus? ... and what there is is very questionable.
Originally posted by JeshurunAndronicus
reply to post by AprilSky
You've only read a great deal of the Bible? So you are trying to tell what the Bible means when you haven't fully read it yet? You might what to finish it before you debate what it means.
Jesus explains the parables after He tells them to His disciples, we are not going by what any church has taught but by what the Bible itself says. He told the parables to the people because they didn't earnestly want to find truth or else they would have asked Him, too, what they meant like His disciples.
While you may have tons of research into religion it cannot halt the faith held by many, I'm sorry. I know of Mithra, Krishna, Dionysus, and more, but I still find this poor preacher named Jesus to surpass them all.
May God conquer the hearts of menedit on 10-7-2011 by JeshurunAndronicus because: Made a boo-boo
Originally posted by AprilSky
I wish the blind and the totally brainwashed would leave the thread but alas my troll stalker has joined the thread now also ...
Oh hmm sigh*
Originally posted by Jordan River
This is only agenda made, freedom crushing opinions, perpetuated by a blinded individual who cannot let go of the concept that others believe in "other things" than himself.
Originally posted by AprilSky
Originally posted by Jordan River
This is only agenda made, freedom crushing opinions, perpetuated by a blinded individual who cannot let go of the concept that others believe in "other things" than himself.
I couldn't care less what you believe... believe all you want in that fable brainwashing fable that the elite made up to control you ...whatever rocks your boat.
It is you who is trying to stop me saying what it is I should be saying here or are trying to say.
You know already what you want to know about Jesus so what are you doing here?
You like my troll friend above are just tying with your own agenda to get me to be quiet and go away.
It is Christians who want to bleat on endlessly and convert others to their faith because it's their good christian duty do so, do not think I am unaware of the Christian brain and their brainwashing.
I have been to church you know, I have had religious members in my family.edit on 10-7-2011 by AprilSky because: added word
Originally posted by Jordan River
What are you doing here? I am your anti-agenda, This is why we have a good and productive argument with evidence and discussion like normal ats threads. I do not even believe that you read any of my replies. I replied to all your post and arguement and you still do not respond, so all i know is that I believe I have one those discussions
Originally posted by AprilSky
Originally posted by Jordan River
What are you doing here? I am your anti-agenda, This is why we have a good and productive argument with evidence and discussion like normal ats threads. I do not even believe that you read any of my replies. I replied to all your post and arguement and you still do not respond, so all i know is that I believe I have one those discussions
I reply to people who are polite and not badgering and rude!
You are constantly accusing me of this and that and the next thing.
I will not be replying to you anymore or that troll that has joined the thread.
Originally posted by Tib50
reply to post by AprilSky
This seems just another attack on Christianity and Judaism, trying to herd us all into the New World Order "Global Goddess" religion. It's extraordinary how bold these "atheists" and New Agers are in attacking Christianity and Judaism, while feebly making endless excuses for Satanic Islam. It seems very cowardly to me.
Or is it because ISLAM IS PART OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER, designed to frighten and subdue us like sheep?
The basic guts of it is one race in particular on Earth is the CROP which will be rounded up and given to the Gods "real beings"