Michele Bachmann's Husband Says Gays are 'Barbarians' That Need to be 'Disciplined'

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I truly believe he is against it and is struggling with making the decision,

I believe he supports it, but is struggling with the political ramifications of taking the stand publicly. You're giving him more credit than I am on this issue.

Originally posted by centurion1211
They're all complaints and sniping about what we say and do here in the U.S. Nothing positive.

Oh, so it's OK for foreigners to talk about the US as long as it's positive? And it's clearly OK for Americans to slam other countries all we want? Just trying to understand the logic here (or see if I can find any).

reply to post by desert


You're not the only one with this suspicion...

Originally posted by Scoriada

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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I think you can be moral and gay.

Sorry but in my opinion, sticking your wee wee in someones booty does not sound moral to me.
But that is my belief, yours is obviously different. Good thing we don't live under muslim rule or you would have been stoned to death.

You make the very point that morality is tied to religion.
It almost sounds as if you long for the moral purification that can come with RADICAL Islam.

My religion is neopagan and it does not teach that there is anything immoral about homosexuality at all.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

the man is a pervert its not like hes an elected official who got caught literally with his pants down.

i do laugh when the left attempts to lecture about morality and ethics when they have none.

What does the left have to do with any of my responses?

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by ChrisCrikey
reply to post by centurion1211

 

It would be off topic and trollish but perhaps you could start your own thread and have at it. Second line is that I hope you'd learn to derail a topic more artfully in the future because this probably won't fly if there are any good mods around.

edit on 30-6-2011 by ChrisCrikey because: spelling and haste

I may have assumed more comprehension than was warranted by some here. Let me try and clarify.

Clearly, if we say that what Bachmann's husband says and does should be allowed to be used in an attempt to negatively paint the candidate, then Michelle Obama's statements and writings should also be allowed as a measure of obama the candidate and president.

I personally don't think the spouses and families of candidates should be brought into it.

That is how what I said relates to the topic ...

I think if they say things that are controversial then by all means the candidates actions and words need to be considered, as in this case, it is a spouse. A spouse is often a close confident, and similar in values to each other. Also spouses tend to share intimacy with each in all aspects, and many hold the same views on many subjects. Bachman made the decision to run for president, she knows her old man may become a liability. However, from what I know of Bachman she thinks he is an asset!

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by hotbakedtater

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I always find it telling when grown men (or any grown adult) is so worried about another human beings sex life. It says to ME that the one so concerned has severe homosexual issues themselves, and is almost always concealing homoerotic feelings himself.

Psychological expert that you are ... credentials please.

And of course it boils down to this man being a pervert himself, as he is so concerned about how other men sex up their partners. Guess his wife must not be satisfying him, else why the intense interest in where other men put their penii?

Again, your professional basis for this determination is?

It is called an opinion, everyone has one and in America, all are entitled to one. In my opinion, this man is a pervert because he is worried about where men stick their penii. That is the very definition of a pervert.

edit on Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:43:05 -0500 by hotbakedtater because: (no reason given)

Thanks for the clarification that you were only offering an opinion.

Because if you would re-read your own comments, you were quite clearly stating them as if they were facts - without offering any justification whatsoever. A common practice (IMO) on the left.

edit on 6/30/2011 by centurion1211 because: (no reason given)

Lack of reading comprehension may factor into your confusion, as I clearly quantified my post with the words, TO ME, which indicates an opinion is flowing forth. And again, what does the left have to do with anything I am saying?

Originally posted by Kitilani
I think the worst part of what he said was something about us all having these urges when we were young.

Really?

I never had those urges when I was young but I hear Larry Craig did.

LOL, that is exactly what I was thinking when I read that also. Suppressing your true self much Mr. Bachmann?

Michele Bachmann and her husband are idiotic insane bigots. What is new here?

OMG - Michele I've got some news for you: Your husband is GAY, but he isn't in the closet, he's in the basement. He wants to "discipline" gay men. Umm....yeah.

Probably has one of these in the basement:
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Nothing wrong with being gay, I'm just pointing out some flaming hypocrisy concerning your political platform.

What rock did the Bachmanns crawl out from? Where do you Americans find these nut bars? Neither of them deserve any print at all - let alone any consideration for any position of power! Just let them crawl back under their rock.

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Janky Red
The status quo is preserved by conservatives, hense the name
And root conserve...

edit on 1-7-2011 by Janky Red because: (no reason given)

The very first time I've noticed a member posting their reply in the form of a poetic-style verse.

It seems that you are saying that there is nothing traditional - as in the things that made this country great - worth "conserving"? It ALL needs to be tossed aside?
Perhaps a dream for any who love the color red, but as time will tell, only a pipe dream A great analogy would be someone thinking they can remodel a skyscraper by completely removing the first several floors and not realizing that would make the entire building collaps

edit on 7/1/2011 by centurion1211 because: (no reason given)

Are you trying to tell me gayness and the homosexual urge is a modern development???

The only reason it was not vastly recorded say 200 years ago is because
The reprocussions could lead to death. Your battle is futile

Originally posted by Scoriada

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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I think you can be moral and gay.

Sorry but in my opinion, sticking your wee wee in someones booty does not sound moral to me.
But that is my belief, yours is obviously different. Good thing we don't live under muslim rule or you would have been stoned to death.

Being gay is an identity based around an attraction to the same sex, and it has nothing to do with where you stick your "wee wee".
Many self-styled moralists have put their wee wees into naughty places (including the "sin-pits" and "booties" of prostitutes and "adulterous harlots"), but because they don't assume a gay identity, they are still in the morality business.

While it is true that some Islamic countries and societies have a death sentence for homosexual acts, the situation is complex and varies between countries.
Even in the harshest countries the sentence is usually a prison sentence or corporal punishment (as the Bachmanns would also like for America), and the death sentence is only pronounced on those who threaten the regimes with political activities. en.wikipedia.org...
In fact, Bachmann-style therapies are gaining ground in many Islamic societies.
Not only are such therapies a preferred humane option that offers treatment (no matter how useless and harmful) rather than punishment, but they are meant to show the inherent "truth" of any given religion which can cure homosexuality.
Ex-gays are paraded as a testimony that Christianity or Islam works, at least as far as making people change their superficial behavior is concerned.

It is always difficult to generalize about fundamentalists or evangelical Christians.
Some of them just believe that their heterosexism is superior to homosexuality, but I don't find they actively discriminate against individual gay people.
Others are more akin to hardcore Islamic fundamentalists, and they want to re-instate prison sentences for gay acts, and in Uganda they helped to bring about proposed laws that include the death sentence.
So these "wing-nut" US fundamentalists are a big concern, especially when they try and achieve their homophobic laws in Africa by spreading misinformation.
Left unopposed they will change Western countries into a Christian version of Iran or Saudi Arabia.
That's exactly why we need a vocal and visible gay movement.

It's actually very ironic, because the biggest homophobes are also the biggest Islamophobes (just search what Michele Bachmann has to say on Islam), but when it comes to a common hatred of homosexuality, and ex-gay sham therapies, the Christian and Muslim fundamentalists may soon be sharing resources.
Catholic and Protestant organizations have apparently already done so.
So, fundamentalist Christians and Muslims are increasingly on the same page with ex-gay ministries, which demonstrates that their mutual hatred of each other is just rhetoric, or that they are traitors to their own causes who are willing to sell out their gay adherents.
www.exgaywatch.com...

In what could be a soundbite from NARTH or a Love Won Out conference, Dr. Wasfi asserts that “No child is born homosexual. It is either social or as a result of some childhood sexual abuse.”While the ex-gay approach has yet to gain widespread acceptance in the Islamic world, it’s not difficult to envision a Muslim version of Exodus taking root in some of the more westernized Islamic nations. And just as conservative evangelical groups have formed alliances with groups (Catholics, Orthodox Jews and Mormons) that they once looked down upon in their quest to reverse the advancement of gay rights, it’s not inconceivable to imagine that alliance eventually expanding to embrace likeminded Muslims.

Malaysian boys sent to a Muslim "Pray away the gay camp": www.truthwinsout.org...
That "Pray away the gay" slogan is also used in South Africa by American-styled fundamentalist Angus Buchan.
These similarities suggest that conspiracy theorists are correct, and that Islam and Christianity are two sides of the same coin, when the literalists are not constrained by civil society.

Any person who has this belief that one can "pray away the gay", has much bigger problems than their argument on this issue.

It's 2011! Gay people aren't gay because it's trendy. One does not grow a craving for the same sex because they watch Glee or because they don;t have a relationship with Jesus. Wake up guys.

This guy needs some serious couch time.

For the record sir........ the only ones haveing these barbaric thoughts in their youth are homosexuals. There is no moral crossroad lol.

Disciplined eh, Kinky

Whip or cane?

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Where's my boa when I need it?

According to Mr. Bachmann's business website, he says, “I believe my call is to minister to the needs of people in a practical, caring and sensitive way.”

"Dr. Bachmann, I think I might be gay. Can you please help me?"
"You sinful barbarian! You just need to stop thinking like that! Stop it! You need discipline! You need to submit to my discipline! You need to be tied face down, naked on this couch, while I paddle your buttocks!"

reply to post by Darth_Prime

The Ignorance of people truly leaves me baffled at times, yet they can hind behind their 'Religion' and other such 'Facades' and get away with it

Oooooh......I couldn't agree with you more. If people think Obama is bad, just let that Bible thumper and her homophobic husband move into the White House. It amazes me that some of these religious zealots can't see how judgmental and arrogant they sound when they say this kind of stuff.

Hey, Bachmann....what was it that Jesus said about tolerance, unconditional love, etc. etc.?

Why don't these people worry about their own behavior and stop trying to impose their beliefs and judgments on others?

Originally posted by desert
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

Where's my boa when I need it?

According to Mr. Bachmann's business website, he says, “I believe my call is to minister to the needs of people in a practical, caring and sensitive way.”

"Dr. Bachmann, I think I might be gay. Can you please help me?"
"You sinful barbarian! You just need to stop thinking like that! Stop it! You need discipline! You need to submit to my discipline! You need to be tied face down, naked on this couch, while I paddle your buttocks

Imagine his ATS assistants,

"I am so angry! All these gay people abound make me think about David Hasslehoff, it distresses morality
And makes man want to sleep with other men, look I'm sweating over here..."

What exactly does this guy mean?

Is he suggesting that gay people can be corrected if they're beaten? Is that what he's suggesting when he says discipline?

Perhaps lock up gay men in solitary confinement until Jesus visits them to show them the error of their ways, and they'll suddenly want to touch a luscious pair of breasts?

-What the hell is wrong with this guy? I had to come back to this thread because for the last hour I have had a hard time understanding what he obviously doesn't. To me, choosing to be gay is akin to choosing to stick a hot needle into my eyeball. It just wouldn't happen because I am naturally opposed to it. I don't want to do that, and it ends there. What is with this entire field of thought that people are confused? How can one be confused about what they find attactive? Finding a sex partner isn't like picking out a sports car where you can be pushes or coerced into wanting one you initially didn't. Sex is a powerful drive for humans and there is no gray area. One does not select same sex for social reasons or acceptance. It just doesn't happen. So why are they so bent on believing this?

I think it must be because insane super Christians have to go with the silly belief that homosexuality is a sin because they cannot accept the fact that God created gay people too. If they believe God created everything, why are the gays excluded? Just because it says so within a 5000 year old Jewish book?
-This truly is a sad sad world we live in. Above is just one example of how religious fundamentalists have a tendancy to destroy rational thought and common sense. If a baby is born deformed it's chalked up to "God has a plan and we don;t understand why this happened, but God works in myterious ways. Yet when a guy's son comes out of the closet it's chalked up to "You're confused because you've abandoned Jesus, son. You're gonna go to Hell if you don't stop having impure thoughts! I can fix you. With the help of the lord we will figure it out."

reply to post by spinalremain

Well, he's basically creating more and more clinical subjects with his discourse.
And the more groups of people need treatment by his diagnoses, the more Christian therapists like him you need to cure them!
It's an industry!

As the theorist Foucault pointed out, the architecture of the clinic, prison and factory is very similar.
All of them run on discourses of power and real threats of discipline and punishment.
The clinic has always been involved in ideological punishment, and defining the socially unacceptable.
Especially women were kept in their place by patriarchy via the clinic.
"Madness" became a diagnosis of political resistance in many regimes.

So Bachmann is defining the "other" who needs his "clinical treatment" to fully rejoin society.
Note how he shies away from a small group of "real homosexuals", who were once the target of treatment.
Most of those have already gone through that kind of crap, and wouldn't fall for it again.
Instead now it is the youngsters, and "confused" bisexual people.
And when it's not the potential queers, it's male masturbation and porn addiction.
Religion in a clinical guise often tries to make as many people feel guilty and abnormal as possible.
That's because people who feel guilty and abnormal are easy targets for mind control and exploitation.

in.news.yahoo.com...

I want to know just how much of that medicaid money is going to "reform" gays???
are these gays young teens that are being forced into this treatment by their parents, believe I've seen a few shows on that....
I am see this just about like the conservatives are seeing planned parenthood and abortions...

they've practically launched an all out war against planned parenthood, claiming that they are using taxpayer money on abortion, which planned parenthood denies....


well, I don't actually like the idea of taxmoney being used to "reform" or "discipline" kids who are confused with their sexual orientation. heck, I think that sending the kid into detox when there are only getting orgainic healthy food and clean water would be more likely to make men out of the boys, since like someone pointed out, our pollution is turning little male fishies into females, what's it doing to the human population....

so, how can we be sure that this guy isn't using taxmoney to degrade the self esteem of these kids who only "sin" just may be that they are living in an overly polluted world??? even if the medical records say that he is treating them for depression, well, he may be lying, like family planning supposedly is doing, the "depression" may be linked to the kids "gayness"....how can we be sure?????????

puter is doing strange things this morning, ignore this post, since it was a duplicate of the previous post......