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Originally posted by juleol
Originally posted by OMsk3ptic
Originally posted by Buford2
I personally believe alcohol is the worst drug available or equal to Prescription drugs.
You're talking legal drugs, right? Because alcohol is nowhere near as bad as meth or heroine or drugs of that ilk.
There are plenty of illegal drugs that are much less harmful like for example cannabis.
Originally posted by JAGx1981
Sorry MOD's for using the illegal herb reference, I didn't know it was that strict of use of the term on here, now I know.
My conclusion though is this. You have prescription drugs you can take to get healthy then the side effects you read and see on TV make you have to take even more drugs to offset the side effects, not to mention most can kill you and get you addicted just like any type of hard illegal drug and even worse.
Then you have cigarettes which is a given to kill you in so many different ways I don't even want to begin an elaboration.
The you have your alcohol, moonshine and all other types that kill more people than anything else.
Then you have the natural herb, studied and studied by scientists and people all over and it is even getting tested more, and it equals to zero deaths. The only thing it hinders is our prison systems and the money taxpayers have to pay to house the large number of people in jail over a small amount of something thats less harmless than a energy drink.
It doesn't add up, something is going on, why are all the things that can kill you the quickest legal and yet the things that are natural from the earth with no health risk illegal?
HMMMM..? We all know something is fishy and there are many explanations, but I tell you this, one day, it may be 15 -30 years from now, people will find these types of threads and they will laugh at how dumb we really are in the US OF A.
Study it for yourself, you will find the herbal way is the way to go. Forget all the movies you see with lazy, stupid losers that walk around with eyes as red as the devils prick, it's not reality, the reality is the public is not informed enough of the truth of the miracle of nature, we talk about this country in the name of God, yet they contradict themsleves by making it illegal making their oath to God a shallow and fake intent.
One day we will wake but the longer we wait the more we suffer as taxpayers and the more we will suffer from deaths from alcohol and others substances. The herbal misinfo has troubled me for years, I have studied this in college with unbiased review cause I wanted to be sure, and it simple is the most harmless herb on earth, but not everyone will believe it cause of what the MSM tells you, if they told you the truth, the drug companies would lose billions.
I didn't use a specific name this time mods so I hope this is a sufficient response.
WAKE UP EVERYONE, ban the killers and legalize something that will actually help people, forget what you see in movies and propaganda to keep you thinking you are doing something that is bad for you.
This world is stupid, is a simple answer. Alcohol tops my lists and the most dangerous substance on Earth thans legal, with smoking tied.
It's just sad, it really is, but we will wake up one day, I have faith in that.
Originally posted by Dr Expired
Iam not going to lie and say I don't drink, but I have cut the volume down significantly, I normally now only drink whilst on ATS, but here is a good tip perhaps for anyone reading this... and who really want to cut down on intake.
Every time you want a drink have a coffee (only at first)
Then just drink pure bottled water ( cold) drink only water for the next days, weeks months , let water become your new positive habit.
You can revitalise yourself , give yourself natural energy , clean out your entire body, rejuvinate your kidneys and Liver therefore your blood ect by simply embracing water in large volumes.
WATER, is the antidote to alcohol habit, just get hooked on WATER.
It fills your stomach neutralises the craving, your head becomes clear.
It hydrates the human body.
WATER .
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I always thought the problem was more one of the mass production of alcohol.
Things are very different when you can just go to the market and drop pocket change on gallons of poison.
Home brewing with intention takes care, patience, planning and creates something with an intrinsic value you wont be so quick to waste.
I maybe have 6 drinks a year but I brew constantly. Working with different grains and sugars and hops and flavors. I've cellard and gifted some really amazing beer over the years that mean a lot to me. Beer which I would never dream of guzzling the way I see people do with their mass market hobo piss.
We don't really appreciate anything these days when there's a WalMart on every block and you don't have to create any of the things you want.
Next time somebody with abuse issues wants to gorge on a whole cake or drink a gallon of beer I suggest that person start from the very beginning and create the thing he wants to abuse. Create it from scratch and see if you still want to abuse it when it's all done.
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I never, ever looked at it like that - and what a brilliant idea!
It's exactly the same as when you cook a cake from scratch - you thoroughly enjoy it, and you take your time.
Great post!
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by ExCommando
How dangerous is alcohol compared to other illegal drugs? Take a look: M vs A
Originally posted by LargeFries
reply to post by ExCommando
ExCommando I don't agree with your opinion that alcohol is most peoples constant companion. And I think your observation is based upon reflection about those you know, your circle, your life.
In my younger day drinking was a constant, same went for the bulk of the guys & girls I hung out with. Later in life here I am sober. Those in my circle are different people than in more youthful days. Most people I socialize with now have not touched alcohol in years.
My heart goes out to anyone under the thumb of alcohol. I lived that way a long time and the price one pays is far too high. I took major changes in my life to beat the bottle. Now I'm finally working on ending a long-term Coca-Cola abuse that has been the substitute. Tastes good but no so good for you.
Originally posted by ExCommando
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by ExCommando
How dangerous is alcohol compared to other illegal drugs? Take a look: M vs A
I don't think it's about comparing how "bad" one is vs the other - marijuana is also a depressant, and a scourge on society.
Yes, some people take it for medicinal purposes etc - but the truth is it's another form of escapism / self-medicating.
Originally posted by ArcAngel
I won't bore everyone with my details, but here's a tip that may help someone. Alcoholics don't fight the booze, they are fighting the craving. If the urge wasn't there, they would not take that first drink from the endless bottle. It's the craving.
So my great wife saw a segment a few years ago about a Doctor in France. This guy was a hard core alcoholic and his life was in ruins. He realized he wasn't strong enough to withstand the cravings, so he tried to find a drug to reduce or eliminate them. What he found was amazing.
Google "Baclofen + Alcoholism"
It may save your life, it made mine a lot better that's for sure.
P.S. Those of you who keep suing that your in your 20's and 30's and you drink all the time and you're doing fine, give it 10 years......edit on 22-6-2011 by ArcAngel because: Corrected grammar that weren't good, twas badder
Withdrawal syndrome
Discontinuation of baclofen can be associated with a withdrawal syndrome which resembles benzodiazepine withdrawal and alcohol withdrawal. Withdrawal symptoms are more likely if baclofen is used for long periods of time (more than a couple of months) and can occur from low or high doses. The severity of baclofen withdrawal depends on the rate at which baclofen is discontinued. Thus to minimise baclofen withdrawal symptoms the dose should be tapered down slowly when discontinuing baclofen therapy. Abrupt withdrawal is most likely to result in severe withdrawal symptoms. Acute withdrawal symptoms can be stopped by recommencing baclofen.[22]
Withdrawal symptoms may include auditory hallucinations, visual hallucinations, tactile hallucinations, delusions, confusion, agitation, delirium, disorientation, fluctuation of consciousness, insomnia, dizziness, Nausea, Feeling Faint, inattention, memory impairments, perceptual disturbances, pruritus/itching, anxiety, depersonalization, hypertonia, hyperthermia, formal thought disorder, psychosis, mania, mood disturbances, restlessness, and behavioral disturbances, tachycardia, seizures, tremors, autonomic dysfunction, hyperpyrexia, extreme muscle rigidity resembling neuroleptic malignant syndrome and rebound spasticity.[22][23]