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Originally posted by ExistentialNightmare
Originally posted by Durchlaucht
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh
What a load of BULL #!! There is more than enough evidence that most of the "founding fathers" were ATHEIEST and and best SECULARIST!!
You are just one of the loosing morons that can't separate your bible from your consitution. Get over yourslef and get a life!!!!
Couldn't have put it better myself; The constitute demands that church is separate from states; that means you can practice your believe in your OWN time; you are free to express yourself; and so is a Muslim, so is a Scientologist, so is a Mormon.
Want religion? The constitution states you can have it. Just don't push it onto the rest of us.
FIRST U.S. PRESIDENT; RATIFIER OF THE U. S. CONSTITUTION
You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are.[1. George Washington, The Writings of Washington, John C. Fitzpatrick, editor (Washington: Government Printing Office, 1932), Vol. XV, p. 55, from his speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs on May 12, 1779.]
To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.[2. George Washington, The Writings of Washington, John C. Fitzpatrick, editor (Washington: Government Printing Office, 1932), Vol. XI, pp. 342-343, General Orders of May 2, 1778.]
SECOND U.S. PRESIDENT; RATIFIER OF THE U. S. CONSTITUTION
The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.[3. John Adams, Works, Vol. III, p. 421, diary entry for July 26, 1796.]
I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.[4. John Adams, Works, Vol. X, p. 85, to Thomas Jefferson on December 25, 1813.]
THIRD U.S. PRESIDENT; DRAFTER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
[Editor's Note: Although Thomas Jefferson did claim to be a Christian, he did not believe that the Bible was entirely true and was, therefore, not a real Christian.]
I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.[5. Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Ellery Bergh, editor (Washington, D.C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), Vol. XIV, p. 385, to Charles Thomson on January 9, 1816.]
The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.[6. Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Bergh, editor (Washington, D. C.: Thomas Jefferson Memorial Assoc., 1904), Vol. XV, p. 383, to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse on June 26, 1822.]
FOURTH U.S. PRESIDENT; RATIFIER OF THE U. S. CONSTITUTION
A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest, while we are building ideal monuments of renown and bliss here, we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven.[7. James Madison, Letters and Other Writings of James Madison (New York: R. Worthington, 1884), Vol. I, pp. 5-6, to William Bradford on November 9, 1772.]
…the best & purest religion, the Christian religion…[8. Religion and Politics in the Early Republic: Jasper Adams and the Church-State Debate, Daniel L. Dreisbach, ed. (Kentucky: University Press of Kentucky, 1996), p. 117.]
John Quincy Adams
SIXTH U.S. PRESIDENT
My hopes of a future life are all founded upon the Gospel of Christ…[9. John Adams and John Quincy Adams, The Selected Writings of John and John Quincy Adams, Adrienne Koch and William Peden, editors (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1946), p. 292, John Quincy Adams to John Adams, January 3, 1817.]
Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made “bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God” [Isaiah 52:10].[10. Life of John Quincy Adams, W. H. Seward, editor (Auburn, NY: Derby, Miller & Company, 1849), p. 248.]
SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; RATIFIER OF THE U. S. CONSTITUTION
I . . . recommend my Soul to that Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.[11. From the Last Will & Testament of Samuel Adams, attested December 29, 1790; see also Samuel Adams, Life & Public Services of Samuel Adams, William V. Wells, editor (Boston: Little, Brown & Co, 1865), Vol. III, p. 379, "Last Will and Testament of Samuel Adams".]
PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS; FRAMER OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS
In short, were you to ask me to recommend the most valuable book in the world, I should fix on the Bible as the most instructive both to the wise and ignorant.[12. Elias Boudinot, The Age of Revelation, or the Age of Reason Shewn to be An Age of Infidelity (Philadelphia: Asbury Dickins, 1801), p. xv, from his "Dedication: Letter to his daughter Susan Bradford".]
SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime & pure, which denounces against the wicked eternal misery, and insured to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.[13. Bernard C. Steiner, The Life and Correspondence of James McHenry (Cleveland: The Burrows Brothers, 1907), p. 475. In a letter from Charles Carroll to James McHenry of November 4, 1800.]
SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; RATIFIER OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION
[Editor's Note: In his youth, Benjamin Franklin most likely was a deist. As he grew older, however, his position changed. Though it is doubtful whether he became a Christian, he did acknowledge many Biblical principles.]
As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.[14. Benjamin Franklin, Works of Benjamin Franklin, John Bigelow, editor (New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1904), p. 185, to Ezra Stiles, March 9, 1790.]
Which is what the Bible says as well.
Originally posted by NiNjABackflip
The Bill of Rights and the Constitution were derived from John Locke philosophies, the English Bill of Rights and the Magna Carta if I'm not mistaken, not the bible. Christianity was founded in Platoism. The common theme is philosophy, not religion.
Originally posted by Jobeycool
Get this in your thick skulls.The Supreme Court has Moses and a Statue of the Ten Commandments and you are saying we do not have a christian nation in our past.One has to be dumb founded at the insanity with this subject with just this evidence alone.edit on 22-6-2011 by Jobeycool because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by sligtlyskeptical
Another ad hominem. Please stick to the topic, which is not slavery.
Man is not perfect. Their governments will not be perfect. This does not negate the fact put forth in the OP.
Then, what point are you trying to make?
Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh Nowhere id I say the United States was a Christian nation. We are not.