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Russia Calling U.S. out on its Nuclear disaster

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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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that article is from today..

and there is no mention of the exposed cooling pools or the fact that they have bee submersed in the river for 2 weeks now.

and if everything is cool no radiation is getting out why the no fly zone?

i see the blackout ... either way ats is on it , we just have to keep reading and discussing.




posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Oy, ok I am the person who posted the links in one of the MANY other threads containing this information. It has spread like wildfire and it is FALSE.

The fire and momentary loss of power to the spent fuel storage cooling system are real. So is the no-fly zone. The rest is pure BS from Sorcha Faal.

People, stop spreading these untrue rumors. The situation is serious and people in that area need the truth. Many could be hurt from the spread of these lies.

Here is a link to the original Sorcha Faal hoax story: LINK

Here is a link to the Russian FAAE website, translated by Google. I've searched it thoroughly. The report mentioned does NOT seem to exist: TRANSLATED FAAE LINK

ETA: Read the story from the OP then read the story written by Sorcha Faal in my link. The OP's story was picked verbatim from Sorcha Faal. This is the firestrom of BS Sorcha Faal has started.
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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Simply put, I am not going to trust anything that has Sorcha Faals name anywhere near it....

A known hoaxer isa known hoaxer and if he is tied into the story at all, than the story is pure crap.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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It was under President Bush's last term when it was announced if there is unsafe levels of radiation the Federal Government won't inform the populace. (Can't have the economy stopping)

www.radiationnetwork.com/

This guy's radiation monitor in California went thru the roof and he quit posting live information after the 15th:

www.wa6bth.com/

If you don't have Potassium Iodide tablets yet you should get some.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
reply to post by -W1LL
 


Simply put, I am not going to trust anything that has Sorcha Faals name anywhere near it....

A known hoaxer isa known hoaxer and if he is tied into the story at all, than the story is pure crap.



thats a pretty ignorant thing to say maybe you should analyze that statement for yourself.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Looks dry to me:



Don't know the date this was taken but the water looks fairly deep and the temporary dam walls seem to be holding up...



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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Also found a blog from the OPPD (Omaha Public Power District) with near daily information and pictures:

www.oppdstorminfo.blogspot.com...

Just where did this blackout nonsense begin?



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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Sorcha Faal, see my post above.

2nd
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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probly just said to make the article get more reads/. that is petty and common these days.

oh well gotta sift through the rubble to find the truth. such is life.
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by -W1LL
 


Looks dry to me:



Don't know the date this was taken but the water looks fairly deep and the temporary dam walls seem to be holding up...


yes but with the rise in water there is also a rise in ground water. im sure they will say the soil will filter it, hopefully so.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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I'd hazard a guess that there is a considerably thick concrete floor under the plant, nothing could seep in or out.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by -W1LL
 


I'd hazard a guess that there is a considerably thick concrete floor under the plant, nothing could seep in or out.



you would think so but the pools are exposed to the elements I would think they would consider that a liability. chances are there is concrete on the bottom maybe on the sides too but not on top? I doubt they have enough concrete to stop groundawter who knows time will tell when we test our crops and cows.

heres a vid i found might explain the blackout everyone's talking about.

If you watch the news footage you will hear the local reporter says that they were told not to film what was going on.


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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by miniatus
It's a bunch of false information.. after the Japan disaster, people jump all over this kind of stuff even if there's no basis in fact.. a known hoaxer writes up an article and it goes down hill from there..

A simple ATS search will yield you several threads already talking about it and all of the relevant information .. people seem to avoid the search button like it's the plague

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Greetings:

Interesting.


It's a bunch of false information... after the Japan disaster, people jump all over this kind of stuff even if there's no basis in fact...

We welcome all participation and comments - that's what makes ATS what it is. Thank you for your time and contributions.

OK. Please point out "it's" reference point.

And does this preclude your thinking about other matters relating to nuclear power? What do you have to say about any of the following information?

(BTW, please be more prepared with some sort of evidence and links than you have evidenced so far with your baseless rejoinders.)

To those just tuning in, we are relating news that may have not received the attention we think it deserves, endeavoring to educate and enlighten the reader. Enjoy.

Check this out:




Government Radiation Expert Deconstructs Myth Of “Safe” Radiation Levels
Nuclear radiation expert and renowned Government radiation expert, Chris Bubsy, deconstructs the myths and propaganda of so-called “safe” levels of nuclear radiation.


Since the Fukushima accident we have seen a stream of experts on radiation telling us not to worry, that the doses are too low, that the accident is nothing like Chernobyl and so forth. They appear on television and we read their articles in the newspapers and online. Fortunately the majority of the public don’t believe them.
(...)
And in an interview with me in Stockholm in 2009, Dr Jack Valentin, the ex-Scientific Secretary of the ICRP conceded this, and also made the statement that the ICRP risk model, the one used by all governments to assess the outcome of accidents like Fukushima, was unsafe and could not be used. You can see this interview on the internet, on www.vimeo.com.



Why is the ICRP model unsafe?

Because it is based on “absorbed dose”. This is average radiation energy in Joules divided by the mass of living tissue into which it is diluted. A milliSievert is one milliJoule of energy diluted into one kilogram of tissue.

As such, it would not distinguish between warming yourself in front of a fire and eating a red hot coal. It is the local distribution of energy that is the problem.

The dose from a singly internal alpha particle track to a single cell is 500mSv! The dose to the whole body from the same alpha track is 5 x 10-11 mSv. That is 0.000000000005mSv. But it is the dose to the cell that causes the genetic damage and the ultimate cancer.

The cancer yield per unit dose employed by ICRP is based entirely on external acute high dose radiation at Hiroshima, where the average dose to a cell was the same for all cells.


Please go to the source to read the full story - it is well worth your time. He concludes with this:


There is a gap between them and us.

Between the phoney scientists and the public who don’t believe what they say.

Between those who are employed and paid to protect us from radioactive pollution and those who die from its consequences.

Between those who talk down what is arguably the greatest public health scandal in human history, and the facts that they ignore.

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Joseph Conrad wrote: “After all the shouting is over, the grim silence of facts remain.”


Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

Traces of radiation from the crippled nuclear plant in Japan are being detected in states from California to Massachusetts, carried across the Pacific on broad rivers of wind. But state officials say there is no public health risk.

OK....let's investigate that statement a bit further.

Let's start with this from the Wall Street Journal:

Radiation Detected in U.S.


U.S. states, which aren't recommending protective measures for the public, are reporting tiny amounts of radioactive iodine known as Iodine-131 that is seen in the early stages of a nuclear reaction. It has a short half-life of eight days, meaning that in that time, half of it will have decayed to a non-radioactive state, a process that will continue until it is undetectable, Mr. Matus said.

In Massachusetts and Pennsylvania, public officials said radiation found in rainwater last week posed no threat to drinking water. Pennsylvania repeatedly tested the drinking water from six regions in the state over the weekend, but detected no Iodine-131, Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett said in a statement Monday.

People might "get alarmed by making what would be an [color=limegreen]inappropriate connection from rainwater to drinking water," Mr. Corbett said in a statement.

We offer the following article without comment:

28 March 2011
Radioactive Iodine-131 in Pennsylvania Rainwater Sample is 3300%
Above Federal Drinking Water Standard



Governor Corbett Says Public Water Supply Testing Finds No Risk to Public From Radioactivity Found in Rainwater, Pennsylvania Office of the Governor, March 28, 2011:

The (Iodine-131) numbers reported in the rainwater samples in Pennsylvania range from 40-100 picocuries per liter (pCi/L). Although these are levels above the background levels historically reported in these areas, they are still about 25 times below the level that would be of concern. The federal drinking water standard for Iodine-131 is three pCi/L. …

On Friday, rainwater samples were taken in Harrisburg, where levels were 41 pCi/L and at nuclear power plants at TMI and Limerick, where levels were 90 to 100 pCi/L.

Corbett emphasized that the drinking water is safe and there is no cause for health concerns. …

“Rainwater is not typically directly consumed,” Corbett said. “However, people might get alarmed by making what would be [color=limegreen]an inappropriate connection from rainwater to drinking water. By testing the drinking water, we can assure people that the water is safe.” …

This is not the radiation you seek... move along...

How Safe Is the Rain in America?

Prevailing winds routinely waft plumes of dust, coal-smoke, wild-fire soot, industrial grit and other microscopic particles from Asia to North America, several atmospheric scientists said.

Carried up by the rising warm air in the region around the damaged Fukushima plant, particles of radioactive isotopes such as Iodine-131 and Xenon-133 are being carried at about 50 miles per hour by winds blowing from west to east in a band of the atmosphere called the troposphere, about 6,500 feet to about 30,000 feet or more above the ground.


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Generally, "the stuff will be spread in a long stream and, as it spreads, it becomes quite dilute," said research scientist Tony VanCuren at the California Air Resources Board.

Under current conditions, particles from the Fukushima complex would take about a week or so to cross the Pacific.

Typically, the particles will stay aloft until washed out of the air by rain or buffeted to lower altitude by turbulence, creating an unpredictable patchwork of fallout.

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4 April 2011
Cesium-137 Threat Grows While MSM Remains Silent


Cesium-137 has been detected in drinking water and milk here in the United States. Cesium and Tellurium were found in Boise, Las Vegas, Nome and Dutch Harbor, Honolulu, Kauai and Oahu, Anaheim, Riverside, San Francisco, and San Bernardino,  Jacksonville and Orlando, Salt Lake City,  Guam, and Saipan while Uranium-234, with a half-life of 245,500 years has been found in Hawaii, California, and Washington.

The EPA has radiation monitoring sites situated around the country.

Radioactive isotopes spread through the atmosphere accumulate in milk after they fall to earth in rain or dust and settle on vegetation, where they are ingested by grazing cattle. Iodine-131 is known to accumulate in the thyroid gland, where it can cause cancer and other thyroid diseases. Cesium-137 accumulates in the body’s soft tissues and bone marrow where it increases risk of cancer.

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The corporate media in the West is downplaying and basically ignoring the threat. On the one hand, the EPA tells us Cesium-137 is appearing in milk and water around the country, while on the other telling us not to worry.

The EPA said in March that “while they were above the historical and background norm, the levels weren’t considered harmful to human health.”

The agency sounds the alarm about radioactivity in cigarette smoke while minimizing the risk from an out-of-control nuclear plant that continues to spew radioactivity on an hourly basis... continuously!

Something is seriously wrong when a supposedly free media and government agencies in the U.S. downplay or completely ignore the threat.


“On April 4, the Japanese government also has requested the Japan Meteorological Society and Japanese universities not to release data from radiation measurement to avoid “public panic”. Rainwater samples have all demonstrated elevated concentrations of radioactive Tellurium-02, Ruthenium-04 and Technetium-04.

“280 sensors to measure radiation release from atomic bomb testing were established under the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty in 1996. These sensors are detecting levels equivalent to Chernobyl releases. One scientist, Gerhard Wotawa, noted, ‘I’ve never seen data like this in my career.’


So how do we deal with disaster?

Austria, Germany, Canada and Australia have banned eight episodes of The Simpsons dealing with nuclear crisis.

The Simpsons, now in its 24th season with 480 episodes, has been one of the few outlets to show the greed of nuclear operators, groveling toadies and a complacent public to a mainstream television audience — meltdowns caused by jelly doughnuts!

Kopp Online, Xander News and other non-English news agencies are reporting that the EU implemented a secret “emergency” order, [color=limegreen]without informing the public, that increases the amount of radiation permitted in food by up to 2000% (20 times) the previous food standards.

According to EU bylaws, radiation limits may be raised during a nuclear emergency
to prevent food shortages.

4 April 2011
Radiation Detected In Drinking Water In 13 More US Cities,
Cesium-137 In Vermont Milk



Radiation has reached the EPA's maximum contaminant level in some milk samples.




Radiation from Japan has been detected in drinking water in 13 more American cities, and Cesium-137 has been found in American milk—in Montpelier, Vermont—for the first time since the Japan nuclear disaster began, according to data released by the Environmental Protection Agency late Friday.

Milk samples from Phoenix and Los Angeles contained Iodine-131 at levels roughly equal to the maximum contaminant level permitted by EPA in drinking water, the data shows. The Phoenix sample contained 3.2 picoCuries per liter of Iodine-131. The Los Angeles sample contained 2.9.

The EPA maximum contaminant level is 3.0, but this is a conservative standard designed to minimize exposure over a lifetime, so EPA does not consider these levels to pose a health threat. The FDA, not the EPA, regulates milk.

UPDATE: The FDA's Derived Intervention Level for Iodine-131 in milk is much higher: 4700 picoCuries per liter.
Read why.

Radioactive isotopes accumulate in milk after they spread through the atmosphere, fall to earth in rain or dust, and settle on vegetation, where they are ingested by grazing cattle. Iodine-131 is known to accumulate in the thyroid gland, where it can cause cancer and other thyroid diseases. Cesium-137 accumulates in the body’s soft tissues, where it increases risk of cancer, according to EPA.

A rainwater sample collected in Boise on March 27 contained 390 picocures per liter of iodine-131, plus 41 of cesium-134 and 36 of cesium-137. EPA released this result for the first time yesterday. Typically several days pass between sample collection and data release because of the time required to collect, transport and analyze the samples.

But the EPA drinking-water data includes one outlier—an unusually, but not dangerously, high reading in a drinking water sample from Chatanooga, Tennessee.


The Watts Bar Dam site in Spring City, Tennessee

The sample was collected at the Tennessee Valley Authority’s Sequoyah nuclear plant. A Tennessee official told the Chatanooga Times last week that radiation from Japan had been detected at Sequoyah but is “1,000 to 10,000 times below any levels of concern.”

The 1.6 picocures per liter reported by the EPA on Friday is slightly more than half the maximum contaminant level permitted in drinking water, but more uniquely, it is many times higher than all the other drinking water samples collected in the U.S.
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5 April 2011


The flow of highly radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean near Japan's distressed nuclear power plant has stopped, the plant's owners said.

The water was escaping from a concrete pit with a large crack in it, the Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. Officials said the company used a substance called liquid glass to seal the crack and the leak stopped Wednesday morning.

The release of radioactive waste has raised concerns in Japan and elsewhere about the safety of seafood. On Tuesday, Japan's government set its first radiation safety standards for fish after radioactive contamination in nearby seawater was measured at several million times the legal limit.

[color=limegreen]TEPCO insisted that the radiation will rapidly disperse and that it poses no immediate danger.

But an expert said exposure to the highly concentrated levels near the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant could cause immediate injury and that the leaks could result in residual contamination of the sea in the area.
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12 April 2011
Nuclear Professor “Surprised” by Radioactive Seaweed South of Seattle


… KIRO 7 obtained samples of seaweed from Budd Inlet near Olympia two weeks ago. Professor Kris Starosta (a nuclear scientist) at Simon Fraser University confirmed the presence of radioactive Iodine Monday.

“We have seen Iodine 131 in the sample you sent us,” he said. “I think it’s pretty clear by now this must be Iodine 131 from releases from Fukushima.” …

“I think it is surprising,” Starosta said. “I guess I was assuming it wouldn’t reach this far, but it did.” …
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12 April 2011
Fukushima Meltdown Could Trigger Atomic Explosion


A British professor and expert on the health effects of ionizing radiation told Alex Jones today evidence points toward a nuclear explosion occurring at the Fukushima Daiichi complex. Two explosions at the plant in March were described as hydrogen gas explosions by Japanese officials and the corporate media.

Using ratios of the radionuclides Xenon 133 and Xenon 133m which they measured by gamma spectrometer, the Russians demonstrated that the Chernobyl explosion was a fission criticality explosion and not principally a hydrogen explosion as has been claimed.

“I believe that the explosion of the No 3 reactor may have also involved criticality but this must await the release of data on measurements of the Xenon isotope ratios,” he writes in a statement on Fukushima and Chernobyl emailed to Infowars.com.

Busby further notes that the surface contamination and of dose rates 60 kilometers out from the Fukushima site on March 17 exceeded that released at Chernobyl.

He explains in his statement that the damaged reactors at Fukushima “are now continuing to fission. It is hoped that there will be no separation of plutonium and possible nuclear explosion. I feel that this is unlikely now.” Short of an actual plutonium explosion, the reactors remain open to the air and will continue to “fission and release radionuclides for years unless something drastic is done.”

Dr. Busby noted a precedent for the dire scenario now unfolding – a nuclear explosion at a plutonium production reprocessing plant in the former Soviet Union in 1957.

The incident at the Mayak facility was the second-worst nuclear accident in history after the Chernobyl disaster. The explosion released 50-100 tonnes of high-level radioactive waste and contaminated a huge territory in the eastern Urals.

The Soviets kept the explosion secret for 30 years. According to a report on the accident, about 400,000 people in the region were irradiated following the explosion and other incidents at the plant.

Ural Mountains Radiation Pollution

17 April 2011
Have the Real Cesium-137 Fallout Maps Been Hidden From the Public?

Compare these two images.

First the publicly released Cs-137 total column fallout map for 24th March. This analysis was made on 26th March.


Now the map on the server here for the same time on the same date. The key gradient is the same. This analysis was made the day before, on the 25th March.


That's right, it shows the Northern Hemisphere getting absolutely plastered with radioactive Cesium-137. If this is incorrect, why is it kept on file and not the public one?  If it is the real version, why is it not publicly released?
source.

19 April 2011
High Levels Of Caesium And Xenon Nuclear Fallout Found In Japan Radiation Forecasts Not Being Shown To The Public


We previously reported that Dutchsinse, who has been falling the Japan nuclear radiation forecasts being generated by different scientific organizations, stumbled across an entirely different set of radiation forecasts not released to the public.
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Censored Japan Nuclear Radiation Forecasts Not Released To Public Found?

Japan nuclear radiation forecasts produced by the Norwegian Air Institute have apparently been censored and never released to the public. Here are three videos discuss these forecasts and making there existence public knowledge.
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And this particular nugget from TEPCO:

19 April 2011
Current Status at Fukushima Daiichi
Workers have been struggling to prevent a nuclear disaster at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

Here's the current status of each of the six reactors. 
Last updated April 19, 2011.

20 April 2011
Comparison Of Censored And Uncensored Japan Fukushima Nuclear Radiation Fallout Forecast

Cover-up of Japan Fukushima Nuclear Radiation Fallout Forecasts Exposed!
We previously reported on the steady concentrated stream of Nuclear radioactive fallout heading toward the US and Canada.

We now have for the first time a side-by-side evaluation of two radiation fallout forecasts. On the left is the censored version released to the public downplaying the levels of radiation spreading around the world. On the right is the same uncensored forecast.




And now for something completely different:

27 April 2011


presents

America's Worst Nukes

Poorly-regulated nuclear power plants had 13 'near-misses' in 2010.

This is a great photo-essay put together by Rolling Stone Magazine and well-worth the read.




Arkansas Nuclear One
Location: Russellville, AR
Owner: Entergy
Near-miss: Security problems prompted the NRC to conduct a special investigation.
Details not publicly available.

Source: Union of Concerned Scientists, The NRC and Nuclear Power Plant Safety in 2
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And that, my friends, were just a few of the stories that you may have missed in your local newspaper from April, 2011.

To be continued...

In Peace, Love & Light

tfw



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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removed response because I am an idiot..sorry

edit on 20-6-2011 by k21968 because: i had my facts wrong



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 03:54 PM
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Damn , I had to log in just to star you. Now this the kind of critical pawning response a discussion needs. Of course it's always the same trick, throw in some hoaxer's obvious bs on a potentially important matter to keep the curious from digging deeper and it works all the time with the majority. By the time the situation gets critical it will be too late as usual. I can't believe most people still rely on the mass media to tell them the "whole" story, I gave up on the msm a decade ago.

The surge of zombies invading this site makes me miss the old paranoids.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by miniatus
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The plant is currently operating at 100% capacity with no problems.

Forgive my ignorance but how can a nuclear power plant that has been shut down for refueling since April be operating at 100% capacity?



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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I hadn't even heard of anything about this. At all. Not once in the news. And after going through what news articles I could find and reading the Russian report I have to side with Russia. This is an obvious nuclear incident that is being covered up blatantly to hide it from the public.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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Sorcha Fail...nuff said



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 06:24 PM
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MODS How the hell does this thread deserve to be left open and mine didn't??????????

This make no sense what so ever!!!!!



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by -W1LL
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thank
you the other poster should have said this report was a hoax.

no matter at least this is getting attention it is a big deal and has potential to leak radiation into the rivers and air if its not already..
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The risk is there if the water level rises and actually floods the facility, however that hasn't happened .. they've sandbagged around the plant and are monitoring it, they are prepared to shut things down and take measures to prevent the problem.. this isn't a Japan situation where a tsunami rolled in with only 20 minutes of warning.. this is much different indeed.
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