Originally posted by Centurionx
reply to post by Dissent
Yeah, it does remind me of Pike's letter as well. Especially this:
We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly
to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.
"Origin of savagery and the most bloody turmoil" Which makes sense imo, if one has no fear of the afterlife or judgement, he can do whatever he
wants while on the Earth, and it won't matter right?
Well, obviously nobody in America is religious then, because we bombed and killed in a country like Iraq for no good reason -- so by this standard, we
DESERVE to go to Hell.
Or else, there aren't any standards and you can do whatever you like as long as you utter "I believe in Jesus" and -- magically, causing deformed
babies in Iraq from Depleted Uranium dust is all absolved.
Too bad I've got to deal with a conscience and that Cause and Effect matter in my Atheist handbook. Due Process, Not stealing other countries stuff
-- these things MATTER TO ME.
Atheists constantly tell people they are against war, corruption and abusive distributions of wealth -- at least many of them and then someone else
says "No, this is what you believe in." And then when we QUOTE what you say you believe in, and hold you to account. I'm not TELLING you what you
believe in -- only what your organizations do or don't do. But saying; "Most atheists believe such and such" -- is kind of hard, because it's
basically, a large, diverse group that doesn't ascribe to something you ascribe to.
What you can say about ATHEISTS ON AVERAGE: More likely to have a higher level of education, and satisfaction in life. More likely to STAY married
(according to a survey at first commissioned by the church and then buried). Other than that, I think we need a questionnaire and a survey and find
out what Atheists think about things. It's not a group of like-minded individuals, after all.
>> And again, having a mythical reward or punishment after THIS LIFE, is really not anything that ensures good behavior. Kids react to demonstrable
and immediate rewards (mostly) and punishment (while in your presence). And by the way, studies have shown that parents who spank their kids to get
them to behave, are more likely to have dishonest kids who behave better while someone is watching, but do what they want when someone isn't.
People do or don't do, based upon how they are raised and their environment. Religion, or believing in Santa -- is just crap people talk about. A
politician running for Congress, will parade out their kids and talk about the Ten Commandments to get elected. In fact, the MOST publicly religious a
politician is -- the MORE LIKLEY they are to be corrupt.
Do we need to compare a spread sheet of all the bible-thumping moralists we've seen on TV who've been caught snorting coke off a young man's back?
You swing a dead cat in the Vatican, and you are more likely to hit a child molester than you are in the worst Federal Prison America has to offer.
So, people do or don't do, what they do. They then pat themselves on the back for doing what they normally do on Sunday or they don't. I have NEVER
cheated on my wife -- not because I think I will burn in Hell, but because I choose not to. However, statistically, MOST people do cheat on their
wives, given the opportunity. The average man in America is average, and he does what average people do. And most people go to church, cheat on their
taxes, go a little faster than the speed limit, and,... whatever.
Being a very church-going nation, hasn't stopped us from killing innocent people for thinly disguised reasons which were all so that some corporation
could get some thing or some labor for less money. A non-church-going nation might do the same thing, but it would take more excuses to rationalize
it. We just shrug.
How does a church going nation so easily allow for torture, war and corruption? Obviously, the number of churches we have has no effect on the
goodness of our people what-so-ever.