Originally posted by Jrocbaby
Originally posted by Nikola014
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Nikola014
And why is that? I'd just like an explanation of how faith is positive and linked inextricably to our 'future', whatever you mean by that.
Try to imagine a man without faith.
A man without faith it not concern for the future.How much people in difficult moments, turns to faith? Well I can tell you a lot.Because faith gives
us one extra strength to fight and it's help us i the difficult moments.That's why i believe if the man lose his faith,he lost his future.
The point is,faith give us hope for better tomorrow and i strongly believe faith is one of the most important thing in human life.
Imagine a man WITH faith, living in afghanistan, his whole family destroyed by foreign invaders, he is compelled by his faith to put on a bomb and
avenge his brothers so that they will accept him in the afterlife, or whatever.
I have faith, but in no god, any god where you have to "Defend" him about how powerful he is and how loving, is not a god i would ever worship.
and besides, if your answer to life mysteries is always god, then what future do you have? That would be a very limited universe to me.
>> Well, if you BELIEVE that God intervenes in this life-time, then you MUST believe that the Afghanis believe in the WRONG GOD.
That's why Pat Robertson (who should NOT represent ALL religious figures -- just MOST OF THEM), talks about places destroyed by a storm and says
it's "Gods will" if there were perhaps a pro homosexual vote somewhere in their past.
YOU grow up in a America, where likely it was clean and you had hope. WHY did someone grow up in Afghanistan without hope and raised on warfare? A
person must justify this with God or their religion and there are many answers they might find. The one that gets PREACHED a lot, is that "God is
Just" -- so therefore, what is someone to conclude? That "God likes us more." And this is where we get American Exeptionalism,
people weren't bothered at all when the REASON for invading Iraq changed from; "Save us from WMDs" to "revenge for 9/11" or "to bring
Democracy" or something else until it was finally a shrug and some vague, unjustified notion that "we got cheaper gas and kicked some Arab ass!" I
mean, really, WHY doesn't it really piss and embarrass people a LOT MORE that we invaded Iraq? Especially when there is no proof of benefitting their
country or ares?
And WHERE did these Americans come from, who are OK with "helping our economy through warfare." The "new religion" is that FDR did not help the
middle class and poor and the general economy in this country with the New Deal and public works projects to get people busy and making money -- he
"got lucky" because of WW II. Let's not notice that the Great Depression happened AFTER WW I, and that the economy was slowing AFTER 4 years of WW
II and picked up again when the war was over -- how could any sane person be OK with helping our economy with a World War regardless of whether or
not it WORKED???!!!
>> But this kind of brings me back to the "Pat Robertson's" of the world and the notion that God picks favorites. The chance of someone in poverty
and ignorance and fighting for their lives in Afghanistan to live life to a "godly standard" is just lower than someone born in the USA -- it just
is. Maybe if your kid is a latch-key kid and gets influenced by Gangs,.... but that ALSO is about environment and conditions -- NOT the Church or what
you might believe. There's religion in Afghanistan too. If your parents both work, and can't afford a Nanny or get a UNION JOB so that them might be
at home with the kids -- then God obviously, thinks you are Less Worthy than a family who can afford a Nanny and Piano Lessons.
We have less income in my family because my wife doesn't work and looks after the kids -- that's a choice. But it wasn't a choice that she got
cancer and we almost went bankrupt. I'm damn lucky, to have friends and family with some money to help out -- but someone else, would either have
both parents working, and STILL go bankrupt when one of them died from Cancer -- which is more likely to happen, if you have to keep making a living
while going through the process. God had nothing to do with our GOOD OUTCOME -- 30 years ago, we could have depended on the "evil" Government --
today, it's Sink or Swim. But since we have some wealth around us -- we did OK.
People without Wealth around them -- they suffer. They would have lost their house and been a "burden on society."
Whether in Afghanistan or the USA, if life ends up giving you the short end of the stick, Religion can make you think that it will all be better
later. Or, if life handed you a "better deal" -- you can rationalize that those people were MEANT TO SUFFER.
>> By the way, all those "charities" that everyone points to, as what is so great about religion and LOW taxes -- because you can donate to one and
everything will be fine -- they are, with a few exceptions, band aids, and riddled with more graft, corruption and incompetence, than most any
government program that haunts the evening news. Pat Robertson, for instance, used his "charity money" that was going to give food and bibles for
children, to buy Mining Equipment. And was caught one time shipping this to Africa, rather than loads of grain. So Pat and some of his 700 Club
buddies, make money from people devoutly worshipping God on one end, and from Blood Diamonds and Gold on the other. Then, during the day, Pat gets to
tell everyone that New Orleans drowned because God didn't like them. I am absolutely positive, that Pat will not be hit by lightning, nor does he
have trouble sleeping at night.
Yeah, God works in mysterious ways -- or maybe he's on welfare.