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reply posted on 20-7-2011 @ 10:28 AM by Jana12
Most of these Posts provide some really great info.

You may also want to google 'the basics of salicylate allergies' AND go to WebMD.com website and click on the link for Salicylates. This website provides great info about this topic.

Aside from the trauma possibly causing PTSD, it's possible you may also have a 'salicylate sensitivity', as this is commonly found in a wide variety of foods and products. Then check out 'non-salicylate foods and products'.

Try a 'non-salicylate diet' for a week or so, along with some of the suggestions on these Posts, and see if that helps. Then, instead of eliminating these foods (the salicylate food list is quite lengthy and most of the foods listed are healthy foods we all consume regularly) eat mostly 'non-salicylate foods' for a week or so. Non-salicylate foods are also healthy, they just don't contain the main ingredient found in aspirin.

Salicylate is the main ingredient in aspirin, but it's also in some shampoos and lotions and many foods, such as avocado and eggplant, blueberries, etc. This website provides lists of the specific 'salicylate ingredients' to look for on cosmetic product labels.

Anything that touches our skin ... and I mean anything, enters our bloodstream with in 20 seconds ... especially cosmetics and household cleaners ... even if it's only in minute amounts. That's why recovering alcoholics should avoid cosmetics and products (especially toothpaste and mouthwashes) that contain alcohol. Many products, including anti-aging creams, body lotions and most sunscreens will have "alcohol" listed as an ingredient ... which actually dries out the skin even more, so that the consumer will use more, and therefore buy more of their crappy product. But, alcohol in products could be affecting you as well. I purchase all cosmetics and skin lotions on-line from a company that manufacturers only 'alcohol-free products'. It costs a little more, but it's sure worth it.

Also, chocolate and colas and sodas contain caffeine, not just coffee and tea. A friend of mine couldn't figure out why she had trouble sleeping since she didn't drink coffee after mid-morning and then she realized she was eating a bowl of chocolate ice-cream an hour before going to bed ... not a good idea. Chocolate contains caffeine, as well as other foods. "Contains Caffeine" is not always listed in the ingredients or on product labels.

So, I'd look into 'salicylate foods' and 'non-salicylate' foods, and 'foods containing caffeine' ... go from there as well as seeing a trained professional regarding the trauma ... Hypnosis or REM Therapy, etc.. Good Luck.
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reply posted on 26-11-2011 @ 08:01 PM by Jana12
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... about the weird vibration ... google ... Mary Kurus and vibrations

I've heard real good things about her. I heard that her success rate is very high and I plan to contact her soon. Her program is not a quick-fix. It's a process and a lifestyle change, but it looks like something I will surely look into the near future.

You may want to read the information in the Link on her website that covers 'underground vibrations' and how they affect our moods, health, sleep, etc. ... very interesting.

Also, check out my above post.

Hope that helps.


reply posted on 26-11-2011 @ 08:05 PM by Gseven
Originally posted by TheArchaeologist
Hello, I am in my mid/late 30's.

4 years ago I had a traumatic even happen to me, and since that time I have had issues with anxiety. I am not a wallflower, I THRIVE on extreme sports, racing, snowboarding climbing, you name it. However this issue involved a child, and affected me in ways I cannot explain.

I'll skip over therapy etc. Yes, I have been.

Here's where I am. I can take 5 lunesta, and literally 10 klonopin, and it does ABSOLUTELY nothing to help me sleep. Please don't explain how dangerous this could/can be. I am well aware. However after living for years not being able to sleep, you become less worried about such things.

I am not ignorant, I am not a drug addict, I am not a drinker, I have a high level job, but lack of sleep or poor sleep for about four years is just too much.

The pharmacist says ambien and lunesta ARE the two most potent out there.....I am half afraid to ask the doctor again because he really is trying.

Anyone else had this problem? Did you find a drug that worked?

Thank you in advance!

Please no PROPOFOL JOKES. This is quite serious. And I would prefer no herbal remedies etc, not that I dont believe in them, but I am well past the strongest stuff out there.


There are audio programs out there that walk you through step by step into a sleep inducing relaxed state. My spouse has the same problems, and can never make it to the end of the audio before drifting into a deep sleep. Don't knock it before you try it....seriously. It really is all in your head - as in, you have to retrain your brain to shut off when it's time to go to sleep. This really is the only solution to your problem. Drugs won't cure you, although, if you still need help, I would recommend getting OFF the drugs completely for a while to get them out of your system, then switch to Valerian or something more natural.

Look for something like this:
Guided Relaxation

I'm not promoting this particular CD, and I have no experience with this one. It's just a simple example of what you should look for. Some work better than others, but the bottom line is that you have to be willing to give them honest and repeated effort. Usually, most people are believers after the first use. For you, I imagine it will take a few times to really get use to the routine, but I would be very surprised if it didn't work for you.

Someone else mentioned earlier about hormones - that will definitely cause problems with sleeping. Your diet directly influences your endocrine system, so if you're eating foods that are producing too much estrogen (a lot of them do), regardless if you're male or female, you will have trouble sleeping. Also, take a Calcium supplement with added vitamin D. A lack in these has also been linked to insomnia.

If you have the money, go to your doc and have him/her run a complete hormone/vitamin panel on you to see what your deficits are. This can be very revealing on many levels. The blood doesn't lie. Then you're not sitting there popping pharmaceuticals trying to treat a symptom instead of the cause. LEARN THE CAUSE, then you will cure the insomnia!

Good luck!
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reply posted on 26-11-2011 @ 10:16 PM by Areyoupeopleinsane
Originally posted by Gseven
Originally posted by TheArchaeologist
Hello, I am in my mid/late 30's.

4 years ago I had a traumatic even happen to me, and since that time I have had issues with anxiety. I am not a wallflower, I THRIVE on extreme sports, racing, snowboarding climbing, you name it. However this issue involved a child, and affected me in ways I cannot explain.

I'll skip over therapy etc. Yes, I have been.

Here's where I am. I can take 5 lunesta, and literally 10 klonopin, and it does ABSOLUTELY nothing to help me sleep. Please don't explain how dangerous this could/can be. I am well aware. However after living for years not being able to sleep, you become less worried about such things.

I am not ignorant, I am not a drug addict, I am not a drinker, I have a high level job, but lack of sleep or poor sleep for about four years is just too much.

The pharmacist says ambien and lunesta ARE the two most potent out there.....I am half afraid to ask the doctor again because he really is trying.

Anyone else had this problem? Did you find a drug that worked?

Thank you in advance!

Please no PROPOFOL JOKES. This is quite serious. And I would prefer no herbal remedies etc, not that I dont believe in them, but I am well past the strongest stuff out there.


There are audio programs out there that walk you through step by step into a sleep inducing relaxed state. My spouse has the same problems, and can never make it to the end of the audio before drifting into a deep sleep. Don't knock it before you try it....seriously. It really is all in your head - as in, you have to retrain your brain to shut off when it's time to go to sleep. This really is the only solution to your problem. Drugs won't cure you, although, if you still need help, I would recommend getting OFF the drugs completely for a while to get them out of your system, then switch to Valerian or something more natural.

Look for something like this:
Guided Relaxation

I'm not promoting this particular CD, and I have no experience with this one. It's just a simple example of what you should look for. Some work better than others, but the bottom line is that you have to be willing to give them honest and repeated effort. Usually, most people are believers after the first use. For you, I imagine it will take a few times to really get use to the routine, but I would be very surprised if it didn't work for you.

Someone else mentioned earlier about hormones - that will definitely cause problems with sleeping. Your diet directly influences your endocrine system, so if you're eating foods that are producing too much estrogen (a lot of them do), regardless if you're male or female, you will have trouble sleeping. Also, take a Calcium supplement with added vitamin D. A lack in these has also been linked to insomnia.

If you have the money, go to your doc and have him/her run a complete hormone/vitamin panel on you to see what your deficits are. This can be very revealing on many levels. The blood doesn't lie. Then you're not sitting there popping pharmaceuticals trying to treat a symptom instead of the cause. LEARN THE CAUSE, then you will cure the insomnia!

Good luck!
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edit on 26-11-2011 by Gseven because: content


Nice to see someone understands the importance of diagnostics !!


reply posted on 26-11-2011 @ 10:23 PM by bluemirage5
reply to post by TheArchaeologist



If you truely do have a high level job I'm amazed you even find time on public message boards. If this is the case then perhaps you're not up to stressful job?

Can't exactly help if we don't know what happened to you 4 years ago. Seek professional help if it's controlling your day to day life. Coming on ATS is not going to help you.

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