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Insomnia, and NOTHING works to fix it. I am looking for those who might be able to offer their exp

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posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 07:44 PM
I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet, but are you in a relationship? If so, how is it?

Does the other person ever make you feel bad on a regular basis in any way?

This can be a crucial piece of your mental health. Forget supplements and diet.. us insomniacs need to change something in our lives, I know it.

posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 07:45 PM
reply to post by TheArchaeologist

Im in the same position as you but never thought about posting on here about it. I feel so dopey and out of it during the day but come night im wide awake and no matter what I do I cant sleep! I was given Zopliclone (spelling?) but does not work. Iv tried meditation, everything! so I think Il be trying some of the ideas people have posted here.

thanks for starting this thread! I hope your able to sleep properly soon aswell.

posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 08:04 PM
reply to post by TheArchaeologist

I guarantee if you get a prescription for Seroquel from your doctor, you will be out an hour after taking it, no question...good night..see you in the morning period.

posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 08:22 PM
reply to post by sith9157

I took seroquel in the past, and that stuff kinda screwed with my head. I was a zombie about an hour after taking it, passed out after two hours, and had hellish (And i Mean HELLISH - think Marilyn Manson + Rob Zombie + Stigmata + End of Days + Snuff films) nightmares that I didn't wake up from. I slept, but never got any rest. It was kinda like being in a Freddy Kreuger flick.

Of course, I was taking more than the average 100mg/day dose (it might have been 200/250mg x 3/day?), and was actually in a 'social rehabilitation' program following a serious cold turkey meth withdrawal.

I guess results may vary on that one.

posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 08:51 PM
reply to post by TheArchaeologist

If u pm me an e mail i can send you a few of the NLP sessions i use. They worked wonders for me. Your call! It bothers me to know i may be able to help with such ease

posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 08:54 PM
reply to post by sith9157

Not necessarily.

I work with a number of people who are dropping 800mgs of Seroquel...and it barely even slows them down.

In order to take them down for any form of rest at all we're maxing the seroquel and following it with a chaser of all manner of other medications...even then they're up and going again like the energizer bunny after a few hours or so...

As said in a previous reply - what works for one is absolutely no garauntee it'll work for the other. Individuals = individual interventions...whether that be therapy, medication, homeopathy, naturopathy, massage, meditation, or any other or combination of things mentioned already...

posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 09:07 PM
reply to post by TheArchaeologist

Try finding a new job. Some people become too anxious and stressed when they have a high-profile job. It becomes very hard to sleep because you are thinking either consciously or unconsciously.

When I have interviews it becomes very hard to sleep. When I go to work doing labour I come home and sleep like a baby. Everyone is different. You just need to understand that you don't need that job and even if you fail at it it isn't a big deal.

posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 09:16 PM
reply to post by TheArchaeologist

Here are a couple links on what you may specifically be experiencing:

posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 09:17 PM
reply to post by Equinox99

This was the cure for a very good friend of mine. He had been promoted to a position that he was uncomfortable with, and finally (after years) left the job to "demote" himself, back into the starting position he had always wanted in the first place, with another company.
(Happens in the casino industry that they ask you to do a favor or get full-time by working the advanced position, then you get scheduled more and more into it, and they save a few $ by not paying you as much as the regular in that position, so it's lose-lose)

Anyway; I didn't see it in page one or fourteen, but have you tried hypnosis? It actually works very well for me.
Look up the "love tapes", these are the only ones I use, but there are plenty on youtube.

posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 09:18 PM
reply to post by TheArchaeologist

Ok so here is a list of what are the most effective ways of getting rid of insomnia,

1. Dr. Coldwell's stress-reducing techniques
2. Candida cleanse
3. Liver cleanse
4. Calcium and magnesium supplementation
5. Elimination of all nonprescription and prescription drugs
and 6. extra virgin coconut oil.

Try that and see it helps.

posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 09:31 PM
o.k., you want a real answer?
Try Yaoqi,
Its an acupuncture point in the crack of your butt. above the anus and below the tail point.
two acupuncture inches above the coccix.
In other words, about half way up in the crack, between your cheeks.
Look it up on the acupuncture web sites. Its a very old point, been used for centuries.
one acupuncture inch is the width of your thumb.
don't use needles, just use a 'modified' coat hanger, etc.
Just something to make a very light touch there. Fingers are great, but you need something to give you pressure for a while, at least 15 minutes, maybe longer. You'll be able to sense what is good for you.
Let your underpants elastic hold it in place. Sounds crazy, but its not.
Stay safe, don't use anything that gives you pain. The pressure should be very light.
you might call this 'acupressure', but I, personally, don't see any difference, its all acupuncture to me.
If you get something 'rigged' up, you can use it when you lay down.
Works like an ace.

posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 10:34 PM
reply to post by JibbyJedi

definite thumbs up to the valerian root. you can get it at walmart in capsules. it does smell kinda weird, but it's worth it.

posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 10:39 PM
i have found that turning off the tv, music, ect. and doing some sudoku puzzles for about an hr. helps me sleep. you have to really concentrate on the puzzles and it keeps you from thinking about all the stressful stuff that is keeping you awake. i've also found that books by ea wallas budge can bore you to sleep. he's a 19th century egyptologist who wrote really dry, academia styled books. tutankhamen atenism, amenism and egyptian monotheism usually does the trick. lol.

posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 10:42 PM
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but go get a medical marijuana card and get some marijuana that will make you go to sleep. That'll be 100 times better than Amibien or Lunesta...

posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 11:06 PM
reply to post by TheArchaeologist

I have mild insomnia and the occasional (prescribed) valium works for me. As we age melatonin production decreases, this is not entirely normal as melatonin is produced in the pineal gland which is affected by flouride.
Your insomnia is probably the result of PTSD from your bad experience. There has been some good results with beta blockers but they have to be administered proximal to the event, again this probably would not help you.
There is a new (or at least it is now recieving some recognition) kind of therapy for PTSD you may wish to look into it is called EMDR eye movement desensitization reprocessing, it involves bilateral stimulation/excersise while you have the event on your mind. The theory behind it is that the event is locked up in one part of your brain and this therapy allows additional parts of your brain to process it, at least that is how I understand it in laymans terms. Soldiers and emergency workers have had success with it, here is a site
If you google EMDR you can find lots of info on it.

posted on Jun, 13 2011 @ 06:29 AM

Originally posted by TupacShakur
Cannabis is one of the most effective treatments for insomnia, and it's completely natural. Of course, it's illegal according to this countries messed up legal system, so I'm not advising you to start up a grow-op which could get you thrown into prison, but if you live in a state where it's decriminalized according to state laws, you can see a doctor and just tell him no other treatment works and you've heard THC is effective. Typically it's the indica strains that help insomniacs, the high typically makes people tired because it's more of a body high compared to sativa strains which are more of a head high and tend to make people more active and social.

The thing with doing that is.... you won't be able to get to sleep if you stop smoking cannabis... which means you will then be addicted to it....

posted on Jun, 13 2011 @ 08:11 AM
I have the same anxiety related insomnia as the OP. I did get my anxiety and insomnia under control some years ago by working at it from four angles. I swear by all these being just as umportant as each other:

1: I learnt all the relaxation techiques (From Progressive muscle relaxation to deep meditaion)
2: Health and exercise, I used diet principles from "Fit for Life". I exercised every day
3. I went to counseling once a week just to talk about life
4. I had a constant supply of benzo's. I managed to get down to weak ones (diazapam, Oxazepam, nitrazapam, tamazapam) but always needed them.

I had to alternate them around and not build a tolerance so only 3 or 4 days out of 7 did I allow myself to use them. I used large doeses on the "on" days. People don't realise that if you have a real anxiety disorder you can't just have one valium and be "buzzed" all day. I needed 4 at once just to feel it at all because you have to bring your anxiety down before you can get any good feelings off the drugs.

Now as long as I kept active in all four areas I got my sleep under control, but then the doctors got very restictive on Benzodiazepine and after moving state I couldn't find a doctor who would proscribe them for life and every doctor wanted me to got on a reduction plan. So after 3 years of being off benzo's completely (trying other meds often) but still doing the other anxiety treament and my life has gotten progesively worse with longer periods of anxiety at higher intensity and only sleeping a few hours after being awake 50-60 hours. Lost my Job but at least the doctor doesn't have to feel reponsable for giving me addictive drugs! :/

So just recently I started buying Xanex "off the street" and its helping but it has a long lasting groggy feel (the Xanex hangover) I would prefer something lighter. So I have to be vigilant about avoiding addiction, I stop completely for 2 weeks after each bottle (not that I have EVER gotten addicted on benzo's even tho Doctors said I had to be). At most I have a high anxiety day the day I stop. So I have 6mgs (3 bars) when anxiety is up but if that is not enough I know there no use using any more and when my anxiety is down just 1mg (half a bar) is enough all day.

posted on Jun, 13 2011 @ 08:54 AM
i used to suffer from "Racing thoughts" when i tried to sleep. my body would be exhausted but my mind would race. i would lay there and watch the clock and hate it.

the only thing that worked for me was anti-depressants.

then i stopped taking them for a while, and the racing thoughts at night returned.

now im back on them and i go to bed at 10:30 p.m., fall asleep in 10 mins and sleep though the night

posted on Jun, 13 2011 @ 10:25 AM
I too, suffered from insomnia for well over 20 years. It is awful. As we know, sleep is a basic human need -- it is not a luxury that some people have mistakenly come to believe. So, I do know the intensity of the frustration ... not to mention the sheer exhaustion you suffer from. Lack of sleep, especially over a long period of time, weakens the immune system. Even if you do not get frequent colds or flues, lack of sleep can allow cancer to set in. Please understand, I'm not trying to scare you. I just want you to be aware, as this is what happened to me. It will catch up with you. Most of the previous posts/suggestions here are great ... really good, helpful information, so I won't repeat what others have suggested. However, having been in your situation, I believe, quite often, severe trauma = insomnia. I do think the posts/suggestions offered here will work AFTER you consider the following. Here's the deal: I think you probably suffer from PTSD. I have severe PTSD (from a horrible childhood) and after many, many years of taking sleep medications, going to sleep doctors, as well as sleep-disorder clinics, and so on and on, I realized my insomnia was directly linked to the PTSD --- the traumas associated with the PTSD, and the traumas that caused the PTSD. You did mention you survived a traumatic event. While you survived it physically, you may not have survived it on an emotional level. I think you might possibly be (on a sub-conscious level only) afraid and fearful to fall asleep. You might be 'nightmaring' over the negative, traumatic event, and while you do not consciously remember the nightmares -- your subconscious does. If so, there's your answer. So, you might need to see an expert, a professional, one who specifically specializes in PTSD therapy. They can help you 'recover' and work through the trauma. While you may never forget the trauma, you can learn to let go of the emotional pain or fear. I believe if you treat the ROOT CAUSE of the insomnia, instead of just the symptom, you will meet with success. Give this some thought. Good luck to you.

posted on Jun, 13 2011 @ 04:26 PM
reply to post by TheArchaeologist

tried everything, had insomnia all my life. green is excellent, as is valium.use sparingly, couple nights per week. to keep tolerance low..

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