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posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 09:25 PM
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Here you are mistaken. You call the books fictional. They are non-fiction. That is fact. Your opinion is that they are fictional. You probably didn't READ them either. We are a country of idiots who point fingers and sling accusations when we even haven't read the material. I give up.


Ok then, according to your opinion regarding only reading Hoagland books and stritcly prohibiting credible, information containing websites...
Let's look at this from a different point of view. Switch Hoagland around and replace him with Adolf Hitler for the sake of proving a point to you. Then you proceed to demand to critics of your thread and renouncers to your claims of the genius of Hitler to deny any negative documented sources on Hitler. Demand them to only read Mein Kampf and suggest their opinion is only valid here after doing so.
edit on 25-6-2011 by Marrr because: for the sake of humanity




posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 11:36 PM
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You should be able to check out a copy from your library. And, unless I'm incorrect (because I don't know of all the illegal download sites), one cannot find everything written in "Dark Mission" online as Marrr claims. Again, maybe I should say one cannot LEGALLY do so. It is copyrighted material.


Are you saying that I am suggesting illegal activity? So sly of you to sneak that hint in there.

It looks like you've been quite busy since I've last been on. Unfortunately as to your usual operation procedure, you skip the questions that pose you difficulty in defending Hoagland. Do you now care to capitulate that you have been defeated in the Space Nazi debate and Hoagland is full of BS on it so we can move on to the next topic? I am willing to accept a forfeit from you on that particular topic. However, hearing you discuss how Hoagland's Space Nazis pulled off 9/11 was keeping my interest peaked.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by Marrr
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Here you are mistaken. You call the books fictional. They are non-fiction. That is fact. Your opinion is that they are fictional. You probably didn't READ them either. We are a country of idiots who point fingers and sling accusations when we even haven't read the material. I give up.


Ok then, according to your opinion regarding only reading Hoagland books and stritcly prohibiting credible, information containing websites...
Let's look at this from a different point of view. Switch Hoagland around and replace him with Adolf Hitler for the sake of proving a point to you. Then you proceed to demand to critics of your thread and renouncers to your claims of the genius of Hitler to deny any negative documented sources on Hitler. Demand them to only read Mein Kampf and suggest their opinion is only valid here after doing so.
edit on 25-6-2011 by Marrr because: for the sake of humanity

First, comparing Hoagland to Hitler is really uncalled for. Why not use Carl Sagan or Asimov or Dean Koontz? I think it's an unfair comparison since Hoagland has not called for or enacted genocide or started a world war (as far as we know). That being said...

Sure, personally I would read "Mein Kampf" if I were to descend into a dialogue about Hitler. One really cannot enter a discussion about the *particulars* of Adolf Hitler without reading THE book he is known for writing. To try to speak of Hitler without having read his signature piece would be pretentious, sophmoric and ill-advised. It's like going into a firefight with an amazing weapon (your intellect) yet no bullets (required reading).

I have attended colleges and universities (plural because the nature of active duty military service dictates you move, and therefore attend such schools wherever you may be -before internet degrees) and one thing you will know if you have attended ANY formal post high school education is that professors DEMAND you read the material you are about to discuss. Any college student knows that if he/she is to prepare for the next lecure/discussion/symposium/class... they better be at least *somewhat* prepared. Preparation = reading.

So, yes. If we were to discuss Adolf Hitler, and I were to present valid viewpoints, I would surely read his book. I might also read related material. And then I'd be in a really good position to discuss Hitler. In fact, I might probably learn quite a few things about him I didn't previously know.

This goes with ANY subject. Fine Arts Theatre was another eye-opening course in college. And so with Creative Writing. What those two classes taught was that one should RESEARCH any subject that was part of the performance or the story. Research, too, = READING. Yes, it can be more than that, but at the very least, one should READ about any topic one is involved with. Sure, maybe I'm being particular. Personally, I think I'm being professional. It is important to conduct one's self in a professional manner, even here on ATS.

You brought up a good point!



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 11:47 PM
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You brought up a good point!


No, it seems that you missed my point and/or spun it to fit your speech. Weak.



First, comparing Hoagland to Hitler is really uncalled for


I did not compare Hoagland to Hitler. What is that about?
edit on 25-6-2011 by Marrr because: for reasons of my speech taken out of context or spun



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by isitjustme
I didn't think there were many people that believed all the wild crap that Hoagland said, I think he has made some of the most ridiculous claims I have ever heard, He is a lunatic with no facts to back his claims, only theories.

1. Galileo was accused of "wild crap" and "ridiculous claims." He was considered a "lunatic." Later, when knowledge caught up to him, he was and is and will forever be considered a astronomical hero.
2. When you say "...with no facts to back up his claims..." you reveal that you have not read any of his books or perused his writings on www.enterprisemission.com. For, if you had, you would realize that he backs up most of his claims with valid sources and science.
3. When a new truth is revealed, it goes through several stages. First, it is ignored. Second, it is ridiculed. Third, it is violently opposed. Fourth, it is accepted as fundamental. --Think of the Earth being flat vs being round; think of the Earth being the center of the Universe vs revolving around the sun, etc.

Please consider these points and then please READ (not necessarily purchase) the New York Times bestselling book: "DARK MISSION," ---and be sure to get the recently REVISED and EXPANDED edition for some real juicy photos and tidbits! No, I don't get any money for promoting his books. It would be nice.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:01 AM
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Perhaps there is another possibility to the answer to why Hoagland's website is decrepit.




Hoagland's Science Research Room..

Possibility 1. Powercables to computer has been chewed apart by rats.
Possibility 2. Evidence has been turned into origami birds.
Possibility 3. Hoagland himself may actually be lost in there somewhere.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by Marrr
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You should be able to check out a copy from your library. And, unless I'm incorrect (because I don't know of all the illegal download sites), one cannot find everything written in "Dark Mission" online as Marrr claims. Again, maybe I should say one cannot LEGALLY do so. It is copyrighted material.


Are you saying that I am suggesting illegal activity? So sly of you to sneak that hint in there.

It looks like you've been quite busy since I've last been on. Unfortunately as to your usual operation procedure, you skip the questions that pose you difficulty in defending Hoagland. Do you now care to capitulate that you have been defeated in the Space Nazi debate and Hoagland is full of BS on it so we can move on to the next topic? I am willing to accept a forfeit from you on that particular topic. However, hearing you discuss how Hoagland's Space Nazis pulled off 9/11 was keeping my interest peaked.


Dearest Marrr... I sincerely mean this: the world would be a worse-off place without you in it. Of course I would not suggest that you are involved in illegal activity. I merely pointed out that the content of "Dark Mission" is NOT available online and one canNOT read it so. --That any version of it online might be CORRUPTED, CHANGED, EDITED or ILLEGAL. I believe you stated that you did not need to read "Dark Mission" because anything contained within its bindings is available online. I must painfully point out that this is not the case... UNLESS there is an illegal download.

I will, however, speak with you further about Space Nazis. And it is done so with a *weird* kind of feeling, like when the kids in "Stand By Me" are discussing who is stronger: Mighty Mouse or Superman. That being said, so far I have heard nothing of Space Nazis (SNs) and a possible connection with 9-11. YES, there are anomalies with 9-11, but might you be mixing apples and oranges? I don't know. I am willing to discuss since SNs are NOT really covered in any of Hoagland's books I've read. But, I must point out that I think you want to discuss SNs because you don't have to READ "Dark Mission" in order to do so. Heck, I am half-willing to send you my personal copy of the 614-page JUGGERNAUT of a non-fiction thriller for you to read.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by Marrr
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Perhaps there is another possibility to the answer to why Hoagland's website is decrepit.




Hoagland's Science Research Room..

Possibility 1. Powercables to computer has been chewed apart by rats.
Possibility 2. Evidence has been turned into origami birds.
Possibility 3. Hoagland himself may actually be lost in there somewhere.

Did you think Mozart's writing/composing room might be any neater? Creative people aren't usually clean-freaks and obsessive-compulsives...



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:12 AM
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Most scientists are.....least ones that I am familiar with.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by Marrr
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Most scientists are.....least ones that I am familiar with.

You have proved your resourcefullness. Now, why not air the laundry of other people's workspaces? How about your own? Sure, you might post 10 or 20 photos of "neat" workspaces. The truth is that many scientists work in "unorderly" spaces. This has nothing to do with the substance of this discussion and actually diminishes my respect for you, being another VERY CHEAP SHOT. Again, you use the "flash" or "shock" factor to attack someone's credibility.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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And, to think I was just going to start a Space Nazi dialogue with you. Don't think so now. G'night.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:22 AM
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How in the Hell could you find anything in there? If the man is a scientist as some claim, that is some filing system for important data. I mean seriously. No scientist would file important matter in such a way. I will be responding to the Space Nazis shortly.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by Marrr
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You brought up a good point!


No, it seems that you missed my point and/or spun it to fit your speech. Weak.



First, comparing Hoagland to Hitler is really uncalled for


I did not compare Hoagland to Hitler. What is that about?
edit on 25-6-2011 by Marrr because: for reasons of my speech taken out of context or spun

Apparently you missed mine, too. Shame.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by Marrr
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How in the Hell could you find anything in there? If the man is a scientist as some claim, that is some filing system for important data. I mean seriously. No scientist would file important matter in such a way. I will be responding to the Space Nazis shortly.

Do you know that some of the most profound insights and discoveries came to scientists in dreams and via accidents?



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by Marrr
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President John F. Kennedy murdered by Space Nazis.

Rival type anatgonist Space Nazis with torsion weapons destroyed the twin towers on 9/11 to intimidate our leaders to stay home on Earth. You are not wanted in Space.

Nasa occult arcane rituals - the grail mission..you know, like holy grail

Fear porn caused the Hale-Bopp debacle


As always, I do not post what I cannot document as a source. In the video below, you will find the above Hoagland claims...



Here is the information once again. If i remember correctly the claims start flying after the 34 minute mark.
I did not remember correctly. I also choose to listen again. The claims are in there. If I locate the time mark I well edit this post with the exact time 9/11 is discussed.



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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:29 AM
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Do you know that some of the most profound insights and discoveries came to scientists in dreams and via accidents?


I don't have a problem with that, though it is quite different than Hoagland's Lab.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:43 AM
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Well OP, What do you expect? I have been listening to Richard since back in the Art Bell days in the mid 90's. Not one thing that Richard has ever said has come true. Not one. Same goes for Major Ed Dames too.


Name one thing that Hogland has said that came true about disclosure.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by Frankenchrist
Well OP, What do you expect? I have been listening to Richard since back in the Art Bell days in the mid 90's. Not one thing that Richard has ever said has come true. Not one. Same goes for Major Ed Dames too.


Name one thing that Hogland has said that came true about disclosure.



Well, first, Hoagland is not a "predicter" or "prophet." To my knowledge, he has not predicted future events nor claimed to have that ability. To my knowledge, based on C2C (Coast to Coast AM) interviews and his writings, he has written well-sourced investigations into Lunar/Mars anomalies and the "hidden" history of NASA.

Major Ed Dames claims to be a "remote viewer." He is apples and oranges different from Richard C. Hoagland (RCH).

So, I cannot, therefore "NAME" one thing that Hoagland has said that came true about disclosure because --to my knowledge-- he has never claimed anything of the sort. He, again, has never claimed to be a prophet.

He has, however, pointed out many anomalies concerning NASA, the Moon, Mars, Iapetus, etc.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:56 AM
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He, again, has never claimed to be a prophet.


Whoa there slick...although I am still analysing to timestamp videos for you, you are wrong on this. Hoagland has claimed on Coast to Coast that in Russia, he is actually indeed a prophet and treated as such.

Back to doing your research. Again.
Research done. 9/11 talk begins around 33 minutes. Now note, Hoagland has backed off claims as to his Nazis a little, but not completly. This is where he starts tying in the old Nazi claims and comparing them to work currently going on by other authors. Common tactic. This retracting of his earlier statements regarding his Nazis was also noted by me previously in the thread.


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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by GhostLancer
he has written well-sourced investigations into Lunar/Mars anomalies and the "hidden" history of NASA..


Care to show us some of these "anomalies"?

You do not mean the "face on Mars" do you?

How about showing some of this "hidden" history?



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