The DEATH of Enterprise-mission...

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He said a few months ago and many times before that, that disclosure was imminant from his "inside sources".


So far, this has not happened.

Originally posted by Marrr

Originally posted by Marrr
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President John F. Kennedy murdered by Space Nazis.

Rival type anatgonist Space Nazis with torsion weapons destroyed the twin towers on 9/11 to intimidate our leaders to stay home on Earth. You are not wanted in Space.

Nasa occult arcane rituals - the grail mission..you know, like holy grail

Fear porn caused the Hale-Bopp debacle

As always, I do not post what I cannot document as a source. In the video below, you will find the above Hoagland claims...

Here is the information once again. If i remember correctly the claims start flying after the 34 minute mark.
I did not remember correctly. I also choose to listen again. The claims are in there. If I locate the time mark I well edit this post with the exact time 9/11 is discussed.

edit on 22-6-2011 by Marrr because: vid error

edit on 23-6-2011 by Marrr because: edited for mental clarity

Okay. I listened from the 34 minute mark, and no SN's (Space Nazis) mentioned. If so, it must have been so quick that I missed it. It is a familiar interview, as I've heard it before in its entirety (I streamlink C2C). Again, no heavy mention of SNs. I might listen to the entire thing again, though.

This is why I shy from debating about things via internet-available interviews. It's OFF-THE-CUFF stuff. You get the guy speaking, sure, but you don't get the precise and well-laid-out thoughts presented in TEXT. To really debunk Hoagland successfully (Marrr), you really ***really*** have to READ his book(s) first to do so. Heck, man, I'm trying to help you in a way. READ his book(s) and THEN you will be better-armed to tackle the guy! I welcome it. However, I think that if you actually read his material, you might have to agree that his assertions are not completely without merit. And, for someone who has already made up his mind, that can be a scary thing indeed. Believe me, I was there, too, myself.

Originally posted by Frankenchrist
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He said a few months ago and many times before that, that disclosure was imminant from his "inside sources".


So far, this has not happened.

If this is true, then, he has fallen victim (like so many others), to the carrot of imminant disclosure. I believe I remember that he might have spoken of the THOUGHT of disclosure. But, as far as I know (and I've heard him on most C2C interviews too), he has not ever PREDICTED disclosure. In fact, I remember him stating that current governments would NOT provide disclosure for various reasons. So, you might have heard something someone else said they heard about what someone said about Hoagland. Maybe? Personally, again, he has not been a prophet and has never tried to predict anything.

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33 minute mark. I edited my prior posts to state this versus a new post.

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He must have been duped 15 years ago. This is old news. I am suprised, that you, a follower of RCH did not know this.

Also, in prior posts, he has said that it is his Space Nazis that have the hyperdimensional torsion weapons. Soo, if weapons as such destroyed the twin towers, it only could have been done by Hoagland's Space Nazis.
It is imperative you do not underestimate who you are dealing with here. Hoagland rarely slips up when it comes to things like this. Recognize this rare find.

Originally posted by Marrr
Also, in prior posts, he has said that it is his Space Nazis that have the hyperdimensional torsion weapons. Soo, if weapons as such destroyed the twin towers, it only could have been done by Hoagland's Space Nazis.
It is imperative you do not underestimate who you are dealing with here. Hoagland rarely slips up when it comes to things like this. Recognize this rare find.

edit on 26-6-2011 by Marrr because: wrong word

Hmmmm... Not so fast. If Hoagland says his SNs have advanced weaponry, it is not *necessarily* the case that the weapons in their possession were used to take down the towers, if, indeed, they were taken down in such a way. It is a *presumed* connection, with no evidence to connect the two. UNLESS Hoagland (RCH) actually came out and asserted that SNs took out the towers with such weaponry. To date, I have not read this in any of his books nor heard it in any C2C interview.

Here is how people say he is "nuts" or writes "fiction" because of connections those people make about his assertions, not his actual assertions themselves. I agree that Hoagland rarely slips up in this regard; however, people can slip up and make connections that RCH never made. When that is done, it spreads like wildfire that RCH said Space Nazis took out the world trade center. This is heydey for disinformation agents (yes, they do exist, and psychological operations (PSYOPS) are a REAL part of Special Operations and other agencies) who would love to flood the circuits with all manner of crazy story to obscure the truth. At that point, the entire topic becomes so crazy and zany that the mere association to it brings ridicule upon those discussing it.

Originally posted by Frankenchrist
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He must have been duped 15 years ago. This is old news. I am suprised, that you, a follower of RCH did not know this.

Please provide a link to the source so I can hear/read it for myself that he did, indeed, say this. So far, you have claimed he said this, and so far, my only "source" that he said this is you. That is a very unreliable source. We must have the true source, not hearsay. Again, he might have said this, but "I" have not heard or seen this assertion anywhere, and I listen to him on C2C and have read his two prominent books.

And, just to be clear, I am not a "follower" of RCH. I have read his two best known books and have listened to him on C2C when he appears as a guest. I just want it to be clear because the way you used "follower" could be misinterpreted to mean a cult-type of follower. ---Which is not the case. I have merely read his material, listened to his C2C interviews and defended his character when I felt it was unfairly attacked.

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Please provide a link to the source so I can hear/read it for myself that he did, indeed, say this. So far, you have claimed he said this, and so far, my only "source" that he said this is you. That is a very unreliable source.

Am I reading this right? So what has got you onto the "provide a source" bandwagon all of a sudden?

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Hmmmm... Not so fast. If Hoagland says his SNs have advanced weaponry, it is not *necessarily* the case that the weapons in their possession were used to take down the towers, if, indeed, they were taken down in such a way. It is a *presumed* connection, with no evidence to connect the two. UNLESS Hoagland (RCH) actually came out and asserted that SNs took out the towers with such weaponry. To date, I have not read this in any of his books nor heard it in any C2C interview.

So not only did I have to listen thru that snake-oil peddling of Hoagland's interview, again, I had to timestamp the 9/11 mark for you. Now you want me to listen to it again and transcribe the whole damn thing?

Who do you think Hoagland is referring to when he speaks of "they" and "them". Hoagland may be a giddish idiot, but he's not fool.

Originally posted by Marrr
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Hmmmm... Not so fast. If Hoagland says his SNs have advanced weaponry, it is not *necessarily* the case that the weapons in their possession were used to take down the towers, if, indeed, they were taken down in such a way. It is a *presumed* connection, with no evidence to connect the two. UNLESS Hoagland (RCH) actually came out and asserted that SNs took out the towers with such weaponry. To date, I have not read this in any of his books nor heard it in any C2C interview.

So not only did I have to listen thru that snake-oil peddling of Hoagland's interview, again, I had to timestamp the 9/11 mark for you. Now you want me to listen to it again and transcribe the whole damn thing?

Who do you think Hoagland is referring to when he speaks of "they" and "them". Hoagland may be a giddish idiot, but he's not fool.

To make a connection based on RCH's supposed statements is one thing. To say that he *said* something or made a connection personally... is another. You can't attribute that he said something based on personal *causal* connections that he, in reality, never said.

"Snake-oil" has nothing to do with RCH, as he has not peddaled any such thing. To infer this is a baseless attack. As far as inferring what "I" *want* from you? I do not want anything from you except for you to READ "Dark Mission" and/or his other book --so that we might discuss the merits of his research and writings based on his writings, not radio interviews which only touch the tip of the proverbial iceberg. So, NO, I don't want you to re-listen to anything. I want you to READ his book(s). NOTE: not ***BUY*** but READ.

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To make a connection based on RCH's supposed statements is one thing. To say that he *said* something or made a connection personally... is another. You can't attribute that he said something based on personal *causal* connections that he, in reality, never said.

You listened to the interview. Tell me, just who do you think he was referring to then? If you would've listened to the earlier material I posted about Hoagland's Space Nazis, perhaps it would be clearer to you. As I said earlier, that interview is when Hoagland backs away from his WWII renegade off-Earth Nazis. It is at this time he begins to relate his Nazis to work currently on the circuit by other authors about different Nazis. Give ya one guess why he did that. Freebie.

About this damn book you keep accolading. What is it in there that is of such significance to you that you won't talk about?

Originally posted by Marrr
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To make a connection based on RCH's supposed statements is one thing. To say that he *said* something or made a connection personally... is another. You can't attribute that he said something based on personal *causal* connections that he, in reality, never said.

You listened to the interview. Tell me, just who do you think he was referring to then? If you would've listened to the earlier material I posted about Hoagland's Space Nazis, perhaps it would be clearer to you. As I said earlier, that interview is when Hoagland backs away from his WWII renegade off-Earth Nazis. It is at this time he begins to relate his Nazis to work currently on the circuit by other authors about different Nazis. Give ya one guess why he did that. Freebie.

I can see how the connection is attractive to make. I merely point out that he doesn't directly accuse the SNs of employing directed-energy weapons during 9-11. It's enticing to bridge that gap for him, except that RCH didn't bridge it himself --directly. --From the interview that I heard, that you linked.

Originally posted by Marrr
About this damn book you keep accolading. What is it in there that is of such significance to you that you won't talk about?

It's too in-depth to go into. It really deserves its own thread. I don't know if it would even be legal to post excerpts of "Dark Mission" in a thread for discussion. So, I probably won't start a "Dark Mission" thread. However, it's very well done, well-sourced and footnoted. It is non-fiction, based on fact and then theories and a little speculation based on those facts. And, it is broad-spectrum, eye-opening in nature. If nothing else, it oils the wheels and gets you thinking. I think you would be a great person to discuss the book with, once you've read it. You are obviously intelligent, though a bit angst-filled at times.... But, I do think you would be a good person to converse about "Dark Mission" with.

Originally posted by Marrr
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Please provide a link to the source so I can hear/read it for myself that he did, indeed, say this. So far, you have claimed he said this, and so far, my only "source" that he said this is you. That is a very unreliable source.

Am I reading this right? So what has got you onto the "provide a source" bandwagon all of a sudden?

The person was asserting without proof. My sources have been "Dark Mission" and "City on the Edge of Forever," which I highly encourage people to read. I can't post swathes of text from those books here without stepping on copyright issues. But, I can encourage people to read those books (not necessarily BUY, but certainly *read* or *peruse*). Personally, I like to buy books and then have them readily available on my bookshelf for future reference or some diversion on a rainy day. That's me.

But, I don't believe I'd made many assertions about the topics discussed in those books or even on Enterprise Mission. I have basically been writing about how much I'd like to see more updates and content on that website or seeing more books being released. I ask for sources when someone starts claiming these wild things about RCH. To date, I haven't seen or heard anything as ridiculous as has been asserted that RCH has supposedly said. Maybe I'll branch out into these other internet interviews he's been on. I don't know. The quality of those interviews is only as good as the quality of the person interviewing. So far on C2C, he's done very well and has not made any outlandish claims. Is the guy infallible? No, he's human. And everyone reading this has said something once or twice in his/her life that he/she might regret. If not, then you are a rare item indeed.

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I can see how the connection is attractive to make. I merely point out that he doesn't directly accuse the SNs of employing directed-energy weapons during 9-11. It's enticing to bridge that gap for him, except that RCH didn't bridge it himself --directly. --From the interview that I heard, that you linked.

There are no other possibilites he leaves out. Years of Hoagland observation has convinced me that this is his usual m.o. According to Hoagland, the Space Nazis are the only ones possessing this technology because of the library they found on the Moon. Also to note, Hoagland is the only Earthling knowledgable in the physics of this advanced weaponry.

"Snake-oil" has nothing to do with RCH, as he has not peddaled any such thing.

Oh but it does!
Snake Oil Salesman

A light scroll down the page to the Snake Oil section. Just a humourous throwin by me to backup ^. There is however, actually quite a bit of good Hoagland material listed on there.

It's too in-depth to go into. It really deserves its own thread. I don't know if it would even be legal to post excerpts of "Dark Mission" in a thread for discussion.

I agree with this point. Also, I must insert here that groundbreaking information that you say is contained within these books would really have nothing to do with the death of enterprisemission.com. De facto, it would do exactly the opposite. This really isn't supportive of the OP of this thread and the route you've taken the last couple pages concerning reading these books versus discussing the reason behing the demise of Hoagland's site does not neccesarily coincide with what this thread is suppsedly about and could be considered rather off-topic. Unless the books suck so bad that anyone reading them would have absolutely no inclination to bother looking up Hoagland's site. A possibility I will not rule out.

Getting back on track. Hoagland's website hasn't advanced since Windows 95. I submit this is due to the population of people that buy into his claims have been exhausted and it's becoming increasingly difficult for him to live modestly and endlessly search for new material and venues.




What scientist would make this sort of claim? Why would anyone claiming to be a scientist make such a claim?

Panzers, Howitzers, cities and pyramids and a big face. People probably run away from his site in all honesty. Well, except the oddballs like me that are amused by such people.

I know I've skipped a whole heap of Moon babble and skipped over to Mars. It's simply been this Howitzer picture that's been nagging at me for some time now. Well, that and the Death Star asteroid. I'm not going near that even at request.

I also don't mean to be overly demeaning and critical of you. You do have quite the tenacity on this subject.

Link to Hoagland's Howitzer

Originally posted by Marrr
What scientist would make this sort of claim? Why would anyone claiming to be a scientist make such a claim?

Panzers, Howitzers, cities and pyramids and a big face. People probably run away from his site in all honesty. Well, except the oddballs like me that are amused by such people.

Here is proof of Hoaxlands space nazi's
www.enterprisemission.com...

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Ohhhh, Death's Head Legion SS Space Nazis, the most feared and dangerous ones.
I'm just sitting here thinking...what is his fascination with Nazis, or is it simply for shock appeal?
One could just as easily see a battalion of Smurfs on those rock plains.

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So far on C2C, he's done very well and has not made any outlandish claims.

I dispute that remark. Most of his public exposure is on Coast to Coast.

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Space Nazis and Hyperdimensional Torsion Weapons. priceless. and by the way? just from a logic point of view...if the Nazis were getting help from the Greys, then the Greys sure are a pathetic bunch. first they hook-up with a racist bent on killing people just because they are Jewish, and then don't even help him win the war. priceless. that's sort of like the Ancient Aliens who came to earth thousands of years ago. did they teach the Egyptians how to generate electricity? no. Did they teach them how to build airplanes? no. Did they teach them how to make iPhones? no. No, what they taught them how to move really big rocks. I think all them aliens are a pathetic lot, hanging around a primitive planet, prolly 'cause they are a bunch of losers when they are on their home planets. lolz