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reply posted on 5-6-2011 @ 08:30 AM by K-PAX-PROT
Originally posted by Frira
Six pages into comments, and I became impatient, so pardon me if others have posted these:

1. I do not know if the measure tool on Google Earth is calibrated for planet viewing, but the object measures right around 200 meters in length using that tool.
2. Backing off (note how Google Earth altitude is obviously not calibrated for Mars view) gives a better view. The algorithm used to calculate altitude most certainly effects the measurement tool.
3. Other sources have been posted showing the same object as it appears in Google Earth, so we can cease the debate about a Google hoax.
4. We do not have the technology to send men to Mars. If we did, we would not be wasting huge amounts of money on ISS and STS missions, would we?
5. Concerning if we could be looking at a rocket stage which impacted there after delivering a orbital or lander payload (if anyone may have thought of that): any such man-made object would be far too small to show up except perhaps as a bright dot of light.
6. A brief post by some user stated that the same image appears on earth at the same coordinates. No. Neither does that series of pixels show up on the Lunar view. Besides, see item 3, above.
7. A database I found indicating locations of man-made debris on Mars does not show anything near this position. See:
Mars debris and lander sites

Size estimate: As I hinted at in the first two items, the altitude provided by Google Earth allows you to zoom in to about a MINUS 17,000 feet-- the apparent "surface" level. No matter what altitude one uses, the object measures right around 200 meters. That suggests to me that the displayed altitude for whatever zoom level one chooses is not a number used to calculate measurement when using the ruler tool.

Google Earth Measurement of object = 200 meters
Mars diameter/radius: 6790/3395 kilometers
Earth diameter/radius: 12670/6335 kilometers

If the algorithm used to calculate measurement is based, not upon altitude, but from arc seconds-- essential calculating from the center of the planet-- then correcting the algorithm (if any is required) may cause us to suspect that the measurement tool is over-estimating the size, because the shortest distance between two lines making up an angle gets greater the farther from the intersection one measures.

So, If Google Earth calculates measurement between two points on Mars based upon degree of separation but, erroneously using Earth's diameter, then it is calculating the distance between two points on an angle about 2940 kilometers beyond the actual (the difference between surface level of earth and of Mars if those imaginary surfaces were calculated from the same central point). The actual length of object can be determined by cross multiplication as: 200/6335 = x/3395; thus x = ~107 meters.

Conclusion (unless someone has more data): We are not looking at anything man-made. I do not believe we have sent even a booster of near that length. 100 meters would be typical of a booster needed to escape earth's gravity, but a trans-Mars stage would not be so large, would it?






Superb post, yes i see where you are coming from, good digging;


reply posted on 5-6-2011 @ 03:03 PM by SusanForKucinich
reply to post by Phage



I think it is rude for you to imply that I have "distorted" all of my comments. You have
indicated a different coordinate for Cydonia....OK fine, however that does not negate the
fact that (after doing more research on the web before posting this) there is a pattern regarding
33 degrees (not 35 degrees as I mis-stated in my previous post). Actually, this is good
news for me since the "structure" we have been discussing on this thread is located at 33'.
There are many sacred sites and events that have taken place at the 33rd parellel and there are, in fact, scientists that have shown mathematical and astronomical correlations between Earth and Mars. What that may mean speciifically is still open for honest debate and discussion.
I also just found this on a site which I thought was relevant regarding 33 degrees, etc. www.activistpost.com...

Side note: I'm a nice person and it saddens me how many nasty people are allowed to post on ATS.


reply posted on 5-6-2011 @ 03:09 PM by Phage
reply to post by SusanForKucinich


I think it is overly defensive for you to react this way. I simply pointed out that you were mistaken in the location of Cydonia.

You are now confusing latitude with longitude. The 33rd parallel is a latitude (N-S). The image flaw being discussed in this thread is near 33W, that is a longitude (E-W).

Do you think it is nasty to be informed that your information is incorrect? How are you going to learn anything if you react that way?


reply posted on 5-6-2011 @ 03:13 PM by breadmaker99
reply to post by SusanForKucinich



I just love mars artifacts. This is artificial, no argument, too circular and too structured. Just google NASA's lookout pan and its slap bang in the middle


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reply posted on 5-6-2011 @ 03:36 PM by spinkyboo



reply posted on 5-6-2011 @ 03:45 PM by snowen20
I have noticed some say things like, it is impossible for an object to cast two shadows without to separate light sources. I have read that this nothing more than a photo artifact or a natural outcropping of rock that resembles something it isn't. These are all great points, but not necessarily true.

While I in no way will allow myself to believe that this is some kind of mmmmm Mars habitat, I cant help but feel it has a remarkably uncanny resemblance to models that have been artistically rendered.

First to address the "double shadow" issue. If you have a noon day sun give or take an hour or so shinning on a cylindrical object lying on the ground, you will have a shadow form under both sides of the cylinder; thereby creating a double shadow.

Because I was bored, I decided to see if these objects making up this alleged planetary base could turn into something then turn back into themselves via pixelation. Below are my results.

First I took the actual photo and roughly drew a pattern of objects similar to various proposed lunar and martian living habitats.
I then filtered the image as close as possible to what occurs with the zoom feature on google. I find it interesting that the object in question appears almost exactly like the computer rendered object. So if one were to clear up the image you might get the actual image seen in the larger photo.
The emphasis is on the straight lines and the shadows. This is as opposed to natural formations that might yield very different results with the same filters. I am being biased here and not presenting an image of what a natural formation may look like under similar circumstances, I am working on that.







Anyway I hear the arctic area is where the interest is.


reply posted on 5-6-2011 @ 04:22 PM by Phage
reply to post by snowen20


First I took the actual photo and roughly drew a pattern of objects similar to various proposed lunar and martian living habitats.

First you made a model which resembled the processed Google image.


Why speculate about what the "cleared up" image would look like when we have the original?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
It is not a natural formation. It is a digital image artifact.


reply posted on 5-6-2011 @ 04:23 PM by snowen20
reply to post by Phage



Phage?
I said I was bored.
I said I was being biased in my view
I said I don't believe it.
It is all BS, Phage.



reply posted on 5-6-2011 @ 05:56 PM by breadmaker99
YouTube VIDEO

This should raise a few eyebrows at NASA
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reply posted on 5-6-2011 @ 06:13 PM by Frira
And while the conversation and discussion rolls along-- the answer remains in the Phage's post (from page 16) which I copy (again) just to make it easier...

Originally posted by Phage
For those who seem to have not bothered (it helps to follow the thread).

The source image which Google used is from ESA's Mars Express orbiter, using the high resolution stereo camera. The image ID: H5620_0000_ND2

You can find it here:
HRSC viewer

If you want to download the full image you can get it here:
psa.esac.esa.int...
It is large, 355 MB. You will need a viewer to decode the image. You can get that here:
pds.nasa.gov...

This is what it looks like at full native resolution:

This is what it looks like zoomed 300%


It is obviously an image artifact in the source image. Note the one pixel spacing. Note that the pixels are in a horizontal line across the image.
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So now, I'll show you what it looks like when you overlay:

Source Image:


Google Earth Image superimposed with Source Image:


Google Earth Image alone:


Looks very much to me that we are done:
* The sand dunes line up.
* The source image is clearly missing bits-- big white pixel blocks of missing data
* The long solid bar on the right side with dashes to left.
* Image processing attempts to average with surrounding pixels.
* Voila! A simple signal glitch provide a very reasonable answer.

I'm satisfied. Anyone not?


reply posted on 5-6-2011 @ 06:20 PM by Pimander
reply to post by breadmaker99


Breadmaker, If you think you have something anomalous then start a thread with the the images included. This thread has already dragged on for too long and your images will get due attention if you start a thread with them

The result may well be that they can be explained so try not to be too disappointed. However, we all learn as much from that as anything else but the middle of this way too long thread isn't the place.
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