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Originally posted by gorgi
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by gorgi
reply to post by beezzer
Raising the highest tax bracket is not a bad thing. Since when has the idea of "the more one makes the more one pays" become so evil?
Yes it is a bad thing. Taking peoples money USED to be called robbery.
The idea of taxing higher income is not destroying the country as people here seem to keep claiming. Also putting the uneducated plumber up as a source is not very convincing.
Source.
I was pointing our OBAMA's words NOT the plumbers.
If you do not want taxes go to Somalia or Sudan ect.. They have almost no government or taxes. They have true freedom, right ?
Huh? This is about Obama vs. Palin. I don't understand.
Taxes are not theft. Its part of the law. If you do not like the tax law, run for congress and get it changed.
What Obama said was that he wants to raise the tax rate on the upper part of the income. Complicated ?
What I meant was that if you want a small government go there.
Originally posted by ISeeTheFnords
Just read the OP, not further...but.
What is Austrian Economics?
mises.org...
The antithesis of Kensyian econ.
Good source, & like the constition, etc. assumes people (not govt, or [IMHO Corporations - which given personhood status for about a century has lead to where we currently find ourselves in the US]) have the ability to control their lives at a more local, rather than centralized Govt.
First of all, my general thought on economic theory is that different theories work under different circumstances and variable, and conversely circumstance and variables can make a perfectly sound theory fail at one point in time while they may work at another.
Obama, as did Bush before him, does participate in Keynesian theory. Regardless of what platform they claim, both absolutely believe in spending as a way of recovery. The problem is, the spending hasn't been in the correct place for Keynesian economics to work. Forget all the talk of stimulus and bailouts and everything else. in 2000, the Department of Defense budget was just under $400 billion. This year it is going to be just under $800 billion. The money is being redistributed right back into the government, alongside a bunch of fat cat contractors and corporations.
That in itself makes Keynesian Economics null and void.
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by captaintyinknots
First of all, my general thought on economic theory is that different theories work under different circumstances and variable, and conversely circumstance and variables can make a perfectly sound theory fail at one point in time while they may work at another.
Agreed.
Obama, as did Bush before him, does participate in Keynesian theory. Regardless of what platform they claim, both absolutely believe in spending as a way of recovery. The problem is, the spending hasn't been in the correct place for Keynesian economics to work. Forget all the talk of stimulus and bailouts and everything else. in 2000, the Department of Defense budget was just under $400 billion. This year it is going to be just under $800 billion. The money is being redistributed right back into the government, alongside a bunch of fat cat contractors and corporations.
That in itself makes Keynesian Economics null and void.
Must disagree. In 2000 we weren't at war.
As to the rest, I believe trickle-down DOES work. Just looking at the boon we had in the 80's and 90's illustrates that. Whether Palin is going to adhere to it, and her previous record, scant is avaliable on the intraweb to analyze. But I am still working on it.
More to come.
Originally posted by ISeeTheFnords
reply to post by gorgi
And that's why we're as a nation speeding out of control towards insolvency?
Not IMHO.
But I would like to know why, given the past four years, govt. printing & spending out of control will fix any of our (US Corp) current dilemma's?
Originally posted by ISeeTheFnords
reply to post by beezzer
Thanks - intelligent replies/discussion.
Thats what i signed up for.
& while we may disagree to some level on things (& this is not just to you but everyone here of ATS), it's nice to be able to agree to disagree, rather than the ad-homonym-"you're FOS & I'm right" posts.
Thanks for being able to be a contributor, rather than a detractor in the forums/debates/etc. I've witnessed on this wonderful site over the years.
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Must disagree. In 2000 we weren't at war.
As to the rest, I believe trickle-down DOES work. Just looking at the boon we had in the 80's and 90's illustrates that. Whether Palin is going to adhere to it, and her previous record, scant is avaliable on the intraweb to analyze. But I am still working on it.
More to come.
Originally posted by gorgi
Originally posted by ISeeTheFnords
Just read the OP, not further...but.
What is Austrian Economics?
mises.org...
The antithesis of Kensyian econ.
Good source, & like the constition, etc. assumes people (not govt, or [IMHO Corporations - which given personhood status for about a century has lead to where we currently find ourselves in the US]) have the ability to control their lives at a more local, rather than centralized Govt.
Austrian economics is a joke. it is the opposite, in a way of Keynesian. Keynesian economics is a very profound theory and has an excellent track record.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by BillfromCovina
You also don't know much about Keynesian Economics. John Maynard Keynes would have payed one man to dig a whole and another to fill it in order to stimulate the economy. He was about building from the bottom up. Unfortunately in the situation we are in, the whole was already dug. It was a bottomless pit dug by the banks to enslave us. Bush's and Obama's policy has been to try and fill this bottomless pit with money. Very different from what Roosevelt did.
Explain how Obamas' approach is different.
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Last post of the night. . .
Clinton had a reublican congress for most of his time, Bush had a democrat congress. Not to excuse Bush. He signed the damned bills.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by spinalremain
And just who does it hurt when the wealthy buy a home? A realtor? Construction companies? Construction workers? Vendors and suppliers?
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by spinalremain
And just who does it hurt when the wealthy buy a home? A realtor? Construction companies? Construction workers? Vendors and suppliers?
You have a point, but how many homes will each wealthy person buy?
You ave to remember that the wealthy are the vast minority in this country. As I said before, over a long enough timeline, reaganomics HAS to fail. Filtering money through the wealthy for long enough creates stagnation, and eventually the wealthy continue to grow while the middle class, the majority, get stuck in decline.