Today we start our revolution! Wish us good luck...

recent news on the protest :

www.msnbc.msn.com...

reply to post by nightbringr


man i'm tired to hear that! some people told me to give what i want change i did it, if you don't read the thread you will not find out, but thank you for your smart contribution.

we will see sunday how police will react... many people say we should not be violent, and i think we will not be, we want show how now the governement deal with that... if you wanna rise your voice you have to deal with cop...yea people this is what we call freedome of speech...democracy...if you are not happy then shout your mouth or you will taste the real democracy... we are animals like cow and sheep this is the reality and since you keep you head on the sand soon we will be treated worse than cow and sheep.

this is happening in spain...



www.20minutos.tv... a/0/

www.3cat24.cat...

reply to post by pitchdragon


In that video the people really just turned the other cheek..my respects for that how they remained passive and gave no reasons for police to keep hitting them.
But I quess in some sick way police had the right to do it according some sick law and they will get away with that!
There was part of me hoping this would go as the incident in footballfield where the crowd just owned the cops..I know its not right either, but its a twisted place we live in..

reply to post by WeekendWarrior


maybe just turned the other cheek... but imagine if they had respond to the cop...what i trying to say is with or with out violence the solution is the same, beats them like animals this the answer from the governement... if we use the violence they will point they finger and say we are terrorist, and if we do it without violence thay will also take advantage by saying that we are a lazy hippie group...so what! we have just to shout our mouth!!! no sorry they can beats me sunday but i will not move .

They are ready for you, have been for years. Ever hear of a FEMA camp?

reply to post by pitchdragon


Congratulations! I am hungry for a revolution near me because I surely will participate in it! How will you all start it? Advice is appreciated.

reply to post by mrgalleria


FEMA camps are an abomination....I have one in my state that already had over 400 prisoners even though most are empty.

Are there FEMA camps in France???

The revolution turned out to be a protest, like the any of the protests we have every day. There's always a protest going on here.
The police did not react at all with any brutality. This is France! The police are passive, no one respects police here, and no one fears them. The collective culture (including the police) supports the peoples right to protest and always have, since the revolution. I do not understand why people in other countries try to project upon this situation the same context and elements that exist in their own country.

It was the same old, same old- kids being interviewed saying they they are fed up with the state of things. When pressed repeatedly to be more specific, they would come up with wanting a real democracy, in which the people have more voice.

I found it ridiculous. I think I am going to research how many bills and proposals have been thwarted or destroyed this year alone due to the power of the protests. How many days of school kids have missed because of protests (some years, they miss entire months of the curriculum).

This country gives more power to the people than many others can imagine possible!
I've met other americans who came ot live here for a while and eventually came to the conclusion- this country is run by the least educated, the least productive, the lowest part of the population. The idea that one must get educated, work hard to progress, and make effort to gain power and influence in a community and society is inexistant here. All you have to do is scream and gather and block the streets and business, and voila! You are in charge, you get what you want!

I am totally in support of throwing over the powers that be in countries where they are abusing it and the people are are repressed. (and I include the US in that) but here? The powers that be are the people, and they are often abusing that power, IMO.

Originally posted by coquine
Are there FEMA camps in France???


The police did not react at all with any brutality. This is France! The police are passive, no one respects police here, and no one fears them.

In the Netherlands its the same.

reply to post by coquine


fema camp!! no there no fema camp in france, but i was there and my eyes still crying because of the gaz,police passive i don't think so ....you know what keep doing what you are doing, but it's just make up... i don't know what to say but we are not leaving in the same country, look at the governement and what they are doing, in fact i realize just one thing... now for some people have just one thing on there mind to save there selfish @ss , whatever what it coast, even if others remain on the low side, nevermind we did it in the nice way ... next time it will be different what ever what it coast if you want a nice and gentel life just one advice you will not find it in france because youth of this country are fed up and we are pushed and pushed again and again the dream is over...we are lazy nevermind, we are just people who want have fun...nevermind, but we will blow that country piece by piece until we have a real democracy, the media are not on our side and the government think we are just a few stupid youth...soon they will be very surprise this summer will be very very very hot

Originally posted by PrincessSerena
reply to post by mrgalleria

 

FEMA camps are an abomination....I have one in my state that already had over 400 prisoners even though most are empty.

400 prisoners where? In a FEMA camp? Care to back that up with some proof or a reliable link?

Originally posted by pitchdragon
reply to post by coquine

 

fema camp!! no there no fema camp in france, but i was there and my eyes still crying because of the gaz,police passive i don't think so ....you know what keep doing what you are doing, but it's just make up... i don't know what to say but we are not leaving in the same country, look at the governement and what they are doing, in fact i realize just one thing... now for some people have just one thing on there mind to save there selfish @ss , whatever what it coast, even if others remain on the low side, nevermind we did it in the nice way ... next time it will be different what ever what it coast if you want a nice and gentel life just one advice you will not find it in france because youth of this country are fed up and we are pushed and pushed again and again the dream is over...we are lazy nevermind, we are just people who want have fun...nevermind, but we will blow that country piece by piece until we have a real democracy, the media are not on our side and the government think we are just a few stupid youth...soon they will be very surprise this summer will be very very very hot

edit on 30-5-2011 by pitchdragon because: (no reason given)

What exactly IS it you want to change?

You say "look at the government and what they do!". Well, what is it they are doing you want to change? And what kind of democracy do you really want? I think the poster you are responding to in this is right. You have all the ambition in the world to change things, but seem to have no plan in place whatsoever.

I dont think things would be better under your rule, or whatever form of socialism it is you want to install.

I was just thinking.
They kept all the WW2 concentration camps intact, build even more defences around it to protect those pieces of history.

Wonder if they could be up and running in no time again?

Originally posted by pitchdragon
reply to post by coquine

 

fema camp!! no there no fema camp in france, but i was there and my eyes still crying because of the gaz,police passive i don't think so ....you know what keep doing what you are doing, but it's just make up... i don't know what to say but we are not leaving in the same country, look at the governement and what they are doing, in fact i realize just one thing... now for some people have just one thing on there mind to save there selfish @ss , whatever what it coast, even if others remain on the low side, nevermind we did it in the nice way ... next time it will be different what ever what it coast if you want a nice and gentel life just one advice you will not find it in france because youth of this country are fed up and we are pushed and pushed again and again the dream is over...we are lazy nevermind, we are just people who want have fun...nevermind, but we will blow that country piece by piece until we have a real democracy, the media are not on our side and the government think we are just a few stupid youth...soon they will be very surprise this summer will be very very very hot

edit on 30-5-2011 by pitchdragon because: (no reason given)

I have spent a good amount of time trying to find any reportage, any video, any trace at all, of violence having happened on the part of the police in these protests in France on Sunday. I cannot find ANY. Where exactly did this tear gassing happen? Because apparently there is a huge cover up!

I am not lazy, and I don't just want to just have fun- I've explained to you how I have moved my butt to be a constructive and influencial part of my society and community, despite the fact that I am a foriegner, that had none of my degrees valid here, could barely speak the language, and was handicapped by the fact that I am a woman with children. If I could do it, so can you. If my adolescent kids can do it, so can you.

But as much as I obviously think this protest is unecessary, I am not trying to stop it. I just think it is silly.

And what I don't like is that this is organized by Spaniards, in Spain, and most of the crowd was Spanish.
People protesting in their own country is one thing, protesting in one that isn't theirs is tacky.

reply to post by coquine


to make move people there was spraying gaz... this not a huge cover up this just normal, this is what they call quiet
dispersal...it's not against you, in fact i 'm just responding, you said and i hear it, you did it alone ... but i did it also alone... and today i'm tired, if i could leave this planet i will do it now...this is just ugly.

Originally posted by pitchdragon
reply to post by coquine

 

to make move people there was spraying gaz... this not a huge cover up this just normal, this is what they call quiet
dispersal...it's not against you, in fact i 'm just responding, you said and i hear it, you did it alone ... but i did it also alone... and today i'm tired, if i could leave this planet i will do it now...this is just ugly.

You stated in your OP you would be taking pictures of the rally. Surely you must have some pictures of the gas spraying?

Ive looked online too to see about the protest, and i saw no evidence online at least of police using such methods.

reply to post by nightbringr


ok man put me in trial... this is pathetic, can you tell me where the MSN talk about it, only today there was 2 article on express and Liberation, on television they practically say nothing,and when they talk about us the paint it us like a bunch of scout boy, we where there all the week...any words, only news paper liberation and Blog 89 talk about it, sunday there was mostly no cover up of the demonstration, journalist don"t want talk about it, why? so keep searching...don't make me laugh, stop you stupid propaganda, i was there at the end there was a group of people ,CRS arrived and say leave the place, there maybe 50 peoples singing and 4 CRS start to spray the gaz they made it with Aerosole people start to run quickly...there was people saying stop,people are leaving, whatever... i will post my picture of the week i'm making a journal ... but it's not over .

www.dailymotion.com... policieres-a-bastille_news

Around 9.30PM, police in riot gear charged, I counted 4 teargas shots for about 600 people, but I was high and drunk.
It was rather peaceful, that's why you can't hear anything about police violence.
They cannot remove people without risking escalation, so they gas, while being booed.
When agro-worker protest, they get beat up, because a few are violent.
When idealists demonstrate, they get roughed up.
I'm pretty sure you can find the feeds though, because we're in constant contact with the spanish and greek teams, try facebook for "democracie reelle", you can see multiple cameras at any moment filming the general assemblies.
3000 people in Greece, 32000 in Spain, and about 5000 around France sunday.

I went back yesterday and again today after work, about 600 people in Paris.
I couldn't stay in front of la Bastille (even though I was in a suit, alone) because of this movement, the police sweeps the place to constantly remove people.
So you go the Opera, you can wait for you friends. But you want to denounce peacefully the hypocrisy of this so-called democracy, you get "removed" for the public space.
So we ended up a few hundred meters away. Where we don't attract too much attention.

Coquine I'm so sorry you feel this way, finding a job and being able to have a future are completely different.
If you're in your twenties in France, you can have a engineering degree, nobody wants to pay an engineer what he's worth. So you take a waiter gig, so you can get help for your rent, and not pay taxes.
Still think it's lazyness? The system is absurd.
People are not lazy, they get paid 200€ more than unemployment help so they can lose the rent-help money (APL) and pay taxes ? What would you do ? Change the system.

Either you know somebody important or you don't. Every mate of mine that got a job after their degrees, got it thanks to their dad's friend, or whoever.
I could be building green cities, I'm in damage expertise. Half the pay, half the benefits.
You may have found a way to have a future here, I can't understand how you can still be saying that you deserved it, because you sweat, fought and wept for it.
It's as if you were saying that everybody has to go through hell in order to get a life-changing opportunity.
I deserved my degrees, I'm pretty sure PitchDragon deserved them too.
How do you think the youth could project or envision anything when society won't project itself more than "the next quarter".
I can make your home water, energy and food-creating. Instead, I make sure insurance companies don't pay too much when buildings burn down...

To the sympathetic people in the US, Netherlands, Peru, wherever, don't wait for a movement to reach your country. Take a public place in your town, ask for democracy and not oligarchy, ask for social justice, ask for a paradigm change. Inform people. If you're on ATS, you can start by explaining the financial crisis, it'll get you heard.
Contact the movement here in France or Greece or Spain, as long as you're organizing and debating about real democracy, energy, food quality, central bankers, and try to change the Industry through civil disobedience, NO VIOLENCE of any kind (stay sober if needed), and NO POLITICAL PARTY TAKEOVER, the support is guaranteed.
Peace

The French Revolution