Originally posted by Cloudsinthesky
reply to post by Xcathdra
With due respect……..You are completely incorrect.
WHY? What a waste of resources………….
I cant belive emergency managment didnt bother to run all the info by you first before making a decision. I remind you, and the others, that its
always easier to criticise an action after the fact. If you dont like the manner something was done, then I respectfully suggest you do something to
change it, or apply for a job that places you into that particular chain of command.
Absent that, I respect your opinion, but its just that, and is based on partial information.
So in this case I will use oyour own words -
With due respect……..You are completely incorrect.
Saturday morning a liaison officer had to come out to the family’s home gather pictures and dental records. He did not take DNA at this time.
Late Saturday evening he notified the family that he had a possible lead. Sunday morning he called the family and notified them of their
Without the help of D’MORT, (which was confirmed by the officer) the Liaison was able to positively identify the lost member in the morgue within
By your comments in your post it sounds like you work for an agency or have close contact to certain departments………..
If there is anything
you need or anything I can do please let me know..
The problem is if you’re not a family member or someone assisting to help those who have lost a loved one you would NOT KNOW THIS INFORMATION and
that D’MORT is unwilling to assist in providing previously collected information to the State Highway Patrol.
Because there are laws in place that dictate how private information like this is distributed. Just because a person states they are family does not
make it so, and it becomes a bit more complex when next of kin is a cousing / distant relative etc. In addition to that, there are very real
possibilities of fraud cases, which can do even more damage if a person who is reported dead has their identity / assistance stolen.
I was listening to the radio this AM driving to work as they praised the Federal Government and State for their efforts in identifying the
bodies……….Unless you have a missing family member and you have been dealing with D’MORT and the State Highway Patrol you would have the same
opinion as the radio broadcasters.
What part of making sure identification is exact are you not understanding? While I respect all that you have been through, you are viewing this
through goggles and you are not seeing the big picture. While familes want their loved ones returned, there is a prcoess in place, and its in place
for a very good reason. If you dont agree with that process, thats fine, and is completely your right to have that opinion.
I am not trying to be an ass, but, respectfully, you are seeing this disaster through your eyes, which are affected by the events, making it somewhat
personal. When it becomes personal, reason and understanding are sometimes ignored, giving way to raw emotions that demand answers while ignoring
explanations that arent what you are wanting.
Unfortunately that is not the case……………….
As I stated in an earlier post……….I want to make sure Joplin gets off to a running start on the rebuilding process………..The reports we are
seeing out of Tuscaloosa Alabama bring a grim reality to our threshold…………
Joplin will recover faster and better than Tuscaloosa for the simple fact they have half the population. Missouri has a larger population as a whole,
in addition to haveing a more diverse economy which is more readily able to adapt to adverse situations.
I believe you live in Joplin………I would be glad to meet with you.
Yes I live in Joplin. Not sure where I have come under suspicion of not living in Joplin. To those who think I dont, let me go ahead and get a care
check on aisle 2.
I can only present the information as I witnessed it…….
Which is incomplete and biased. Again, no disrespect intended, but the picture lucks much different when you have information coming in from different
sources that places the picture into perspective, as well as experience in this area.
My nurse was the family member leading the charge in the family’s quest to get information from D’MORT……………..She is PISSED!! …….As
well as I!!
and as a nurse, she should know better and should have a good understanding of how the law works in this area. She should brush up on HIPAA as well as
RSMo - Chapter 193 - Vital Statistic Reporting
RSMo 43.010 - State Highway Patrol and Coroner / Medical Examiner process for reporting
RSMo Chapter 58 - Duties of Coroner
- Most people dont realize a Coroner is a law
enforcement offical with powers of arrest and is the only position that has the authority to arrest a sheriff.
RSMo 58.451 - Ttypes of deaths that is in the jurisdiction of the Coroner
just to point a few criterias, and this is just at the local and state level.
If you work for an agency or have information that can answer the big question of “WHY”……Then we would be glad to sit down with
I do not and will not officaly speak for an agency I do not work for. I know its not the answer you want, but if Idid that I could get in trouble and
have my POST license yanked.
Thanks for your response and I hope to hear from you…………..
edit on 31-5-2011 by Cloudsinthesky because: (no reason given)
I will try to help out anywhere I can, but when dealing with a mess of this size, with this many agencies involved, coupled with 3+ layers of local
state and federal government, there is only so much I can say. Having people report on information from multiple agencies can cause more confusion as
well as pain, suffering and anguish if the information is wrong. Also, even as a police officer, we cannot call a time of death, nor can we determine
cause of death.
If a person shoots themselves in the head, a suicide note is present, there is video of the suicide showing it was in fact a suicide, we still cannot
determine a cause of death.
There is a reason why emergency services do not allow all agencies involved to disribute info. Certain agenecies are responsible for certain aspects,
and as such wont always have all of the information. Also, just because an EF-5 tornado does not always mean a person death was caused by that. If a
person is killed because of compromised construction (required building codes are not used or hidden) there is a very real possibility of not only a
civil suit, but criminal charges as well.
If I sound or came across like an ass I appologize, as its not my intentions at all so I appologize if that is the case. Just trying to point out that
just because something appears to be straightforward, does not mean it actually is.