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Originally posted by aptness
reply to post by Caji316
Why would he present a forged birth certificate — and one that is incredibly amateurish according to the birther ‘experts’ — if he was already under no legal obligation to present any birth certificate, let alone the so called long form?
Are all birther theories illogical and nonsensical?
Why is it better than not issuing anything though?
Originally posted by centurion1211
How about because obama knows or has been advised (for some reason still unknown) that issuing a birth certificate - even if it is a lousy forgery - would be far better than the alternative of not issuing anything.
If the forgery is so lousy, the birthers will easily prove it as such and successfully get a court or the Congress to address their grievances and act. If it’s so obviously a fake as the birthers contend, then surely no one can deny it.
Because obama knows he has a cadre of hard-core believers who will go after anything and anyone saying anything critical of obama, and that these people will post tirelessly to try and debunk anything that seems the least bit critical of obama.
Originally posted by grey580
If they can't produce then I'll be convinced his birth certificate is a fraud.
Originally posted by Chickensalad
Im not going to take the time to explain the 18pgs to you, and nobody else prolly will either.
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
NO, I am not going to explain it.
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
reply to post by aptness
Why are you avoiding the actual document posted in the OP? NO, I am not going to explain it. The document speaks for itself, and shows some new problems with the BC that have not been pointed out before. If after you have been through it, and feel like you can point out where this expert has erred, then please do so. Otherwise, your off topic remarks degrading birthers are falling on deaf ears. Character assassinations are not going to work with this document, as this person has taken a considerable amount of time and effort in compiling it. But go ahead and be the fool if you want to be. That's on you. Not us.
Oh, I agree.
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
The document speaks for itself
OutKast already pointed out one fallacy.
If after you have been through it, and feel like you can point out where this expert has erred, then please do so.
If any of my remarks are off topic the moderators will surely deal with them appropriately.
Otherwise, your off topic remarks degrading birthers are falling on deaf ears.
That’s rich, coming from a group of people that routinely accuse one person from numerous crimes without any proof whatsoever.
Character assassinations are not going to work
Originally posted by centurion1211
I don't know what, if anything, will come of this. But IF even part of the OP is true, there are a bunch of people leading all the way up to president obama that some explaining to do - at the very least.
Originally posted by Runaway1977
Originally posted by Chickensalad
Im not going to take the time to explain the 18pgs to you, and nobody else prolly will either.
Because you cannot.
None of you can.
The first thing I learned about ATS is that there is a rabid cabal of "birthers" rampantly posting threads full of youtube videos that none of them can summarize, explain, or put into their own words.
The joke is getting old.
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
NO, I am not going to explain it.
Very old.edit on 17-5-2011 by Runaway1977 because: (no reason given)
Mr. Tim Adams also signed a notarized affidavit (Figure 15) “swearing he was told by hissupervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapiolani Medical Center inHonolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.”
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Originally posted by wcitizen
No, because there is no reason why he should. If someone wants to know what's in it, they need to read it, period.
Originally posted by Runaway1977
Originally posted by wcitizen
No, because there is no reason why he should. If someone wants to know what's in it, they need to read it, period.
I was under the impression things were presented because someone had something they wanted to share. As long as you point out the intention of our OP is not to share information but to make it available then I feel little loss in showing it the same respect.