reply to post by itsthetooth
It seems that your definition of "official" is vastly different from the norm.
Can you explain in more detail what you mean by the following two statements:
MTDNA only holds a very limited portion of all mothers of your lineage. A baseline was easy to determine on how many are present.
Limited how? Limited based on the fact that it's just matrilineal? And a baseline of what? And how many of what?
The 50,000 year variance stems from us making assumptions in the length of lives. Living in the year 2011 there is simply no logical excuse
that explains the missing time on earth.
No, the discrepancy was due to imprecise molecular dating methods. The method has been further refined and it's known to be closer to 200kya than
150kya. So there's no "missing time", it's just an imprecise measurement.
Biblical reference isn’t even close to explaining this.
Agreed. Literal interpretations of Genesis have done an inordinate amount of damage to the progress of our understanding of the world around us and
our own evolution.
I agree but not on the idea that heaven is a spiritual place. It would appear to be more of a physical place. Another planet.
I think the people that wrote the Bible would disagree with your interpretation.
This also explains a time difference as well as there is probably a different time line in the rotation of the planet. It could also explain
the circadian rhythm disorder.
There's a pretty wide range of circadian rhythm disorders, and they're not shared by the entire population. If we had a genetic relation back to
another planet, as you suggest, shouldn't a larger portion of the population, if not the entire population, be experiencing essentially the same
If it is true that we aren’t living on our home planet, our lives would be filled with adaptation, sickness and disease. We would also not
know our purpose in life and spend a lot of time studying our planet as it would be new to us. The planet would seem to not fit us in many ways and we
would probably rely greatly on doctors in our attempts to try to survive on the wrong planet. After careful thought, I realize it’s more than
obvious this isn’t our home. People have mentioned this to me in the past and I just took in passing but never really thought about it in detail. It
would appear that we have been placed in a compromising position. What has been done to us is cruelty in epic proportions.
I would argue that all of these "symptoms" that you're describing would be featured in any species, particularly one that has self-awareness.
We're not the only organisms that experience "adaptation, sickness and disease". Most of the universe is incapable of sustaining life, and our own
planet consists of a wide range of environments. It seems as though you're asserting that an organism that evolved on this planet would be adapted
for every possible condition that exists on this planet. Basic understanding of the theory of evolution would suggest that this is not the case.
Adam and Eve were supposedly the first to start our race. If this is true than we would have a gross amount of defects in our genes, and we do.
Over 4000 defect genes, 1000% above the normal observed amount compared to other life here on earth. Incest could be one cause for this. If not, then
there had to be other people to start us as a new race. The bible makes no reference but there are missing pages. It hasn’t been mentioned before
but gross defects could also stem from us not being on our correct planet and eating the correct diet. Humans will forever suffer while on earth. From
what we understand about genetics, it would take a lot of people to start out a race, to avoid defects. It doesn’t matter; MTDNA tells us we
didn’t start according to when the bible says we did. We are missing over 192,000 years of our lineage and we didn’t live it here on earth.
Something is very wrong.
You seem to be at odds with yourself in this paragraph. First you're stating that the Bible must be wrong about how long we've been in existence
because we know we've been here as H. sapiens for ca. 200k years. But then you try to say that we're "missing" 96% of our time here based on the
young Earth creationist view that we've only been here since 6000 BC. We have a paleontological/archaeological record that is essentially free of
gaps in terms of the evolution of modern humans. Why try to suggest that we were somewhere else for 192k years when we have evidence that we
Over three decades of study of the paranormal tell me that super powers of the mind, holds, TGA (amnesia), paralysis, telepathy, mind probing,
thought control and emotion control, as well as other odd things seem to be normal and common place in reports. I accept most reports I have viewed as
valid based on there being over 4 million of them, and they are consistent in details. If they are hallucinations then 4 million people around the
globe that don’t know each other are all having the same hallucinations. Some reports are presented by hard core religious folks, as well as other
avid non believers of paranormal life. Interviews from contacts that reveal a person in shambles, not understanding what, why, and how things have
Can you cite sources for what you're claiming here? First, 4M reports spread out over, currently, 7B people living on this planet isn't much.
Internal consistency isn't a substitute for real validation of the claims made in those reports. And you're only assuming that all of these people
live in isolation from each other in terms of the content of those reports.
As with all of them, the experience is never positive. There are also reports of people claiming contacts that seem happy with the outcome, yet
have nothing positive to say about the details. It’s as though they were brain washed to believe it was a good experience, even though they explain
invasive painful procedures that have nothing positive. I make this observation because there is simply never anything positive behind the details. If
I have reviewed over 10,000 reports, I feel confident to say that ET is not our friend.
I’m finding stories from people claiming to be abducted that don’t believe in ET. At the same time I’m finding it hard to find an atheist
claiming they were recently saved by Jesus. One author claims that religious folks are hallucinating. based on the fact they believe they will get to
go to heaven, I can see the connection. People that get abducted get nothing positive out of the experience. It seems to add credibility to the
reports. Anyone can lie or claim to believe in something not real. When there is nothing to gain from it, it could add validity.
I fail to see how this supports your thesis.
If Adam and Eve, or any others, were abducted and brought to earth, it surly fits the description of what aliens do, they abduct people. Adam
and Eve not realizing what has happened to them also fits the third most common element known about aliens, they erase memory (TGA). TGA is real and
must be aggressively recognized. TGA is also what has, and what will continue to keep most people from believing in other life. Interviews simply make
the victim look stupid as they unravel an abduction story that appears to be riddled full of holes. It doesn’t mean people don’t lie or make up
abductions, but it sure explains the holes of memory in credible cases. Some people get back there memory days later.
Which Adam and Eve are you referring to: Y-chromosome Adam and mitochondrial Eve or Biblical Adam and Eve? I'm assuming it's the former, because
you've seemingly already stated that the Bible is wrong in terms of timing. Further, you've made the point that we can trace back to our matrilineal
MRCA existing about 200kya. If that ancestor, along with the patrilineal MRCA, were brought to this planet, then why do we share as much DNA as we do
with other species?
This is because it’s a well known fact that exposing someone to familiar surroundings is the best chance at them getting back there
Do you have a citation for this?
Not all of it comes back in some cases. While this might sound like a sci-fi, we can induce large amounts of alcohol and get the same effect.
There is also a PTSD clause in here as well. It’s a known fact that some victims of PTSD can exhibit TGA signs. Being abducted is no doubt a
traumatic experience, but I don’t think that’s what causes this in abductions, it seems to be induced, or it’s a power.
It seems like you're asserting some kind of PTSD/TGA combination via racial memory here. Or are you asserting that we've all been abducted? This is
a confusing paragraph in terms of your thesis.
There are also sections of the bible that support this as well. One part, God is asking “Where are you?” Assuming a slight translation or
writing error, it makes total sense if he had asked “Do you know where you are?” As though he was confirming that his memory had been erased.
After much research, the old belief of god being all mighty and omnipotent and everything as unexplainable magic, has now turned to almost always
explainable technology with ever so slightly rearranged wording.
Can you provide a citation for this as well as the original Hebrew for comparison? Assuming mistranslations is dubious when you're not providing a
comparison of the modern vs. the original.
Other study I did was on life in general. It would appear that whoever or whatever created us, and all life, seems to have a pattern. Most
things have two eyes, two ears, a brain, arms, legs, limbs etc. On a rare occasion we find similarities that are to close to explain. Evolving from
primates has been ruled out. There are simply too many holes in the theory. If God was a space alien and not our real creator, I’m having one heck
of a time finding a single clue that proves it wrong. I’m digging deep and can’t seem to find anything, but in more attempts seem to prove more
that he was an alien.
What "study" have you done, precisely? Why has "evolving from primates" been ruled out? Common ancestry going back much much farther than 200kya
has been proven genetically, so why would we, as beings from another planet, have such similar DNA to species that evolved on a totally different
This was actually the starting section that made me wonder about humans. Something seemed odd, in that almost every report about other life,
always involved powers like telepathy. It seemed as though the creator had another common pattern amongst humanoid creations in general. They always
seem to have telepathy. I wondered, why don’t humans. I pondered the idea that maybe we did and they were disabled or removed. We do have several
vestigial organs and supposedly only use 10% of the capacity of our brains, but that is simply not proof. I wanted multiple things before I would call
it proof. One thing funny about vestigial organs is that science is actually unsure in a lot of ways what their purpose is. In addition, some things
could be labeled as such but might do a lot more than we know.
Many species have vestigial organs, and there is absolutely no scientific evidence that we only use 10% of our brains.
I wanted to set some ground rules to get to the bottom of any findings. A creator should be a creator and not a destroyer. Too many times in
the bible, there are events of god punishing us inhumanely. Killing mass amounts of people. It made no sense to me that a creator would do such a
thing for ANY reason. It always falls back on respecting the design. We are of an intelligent design, more so than we realize.
I think you're totally overlooking the sociopolitical aspect of the Bible as a tool for control of a populace by an elite in power. The elite use the
tenets of a religion to control the masses under threat of divine retribution. Why assume that the Bible is factually correct with regard to the
powers of a creator when there is no objective evidence to support that?
I have absolute confidence believing whoever or whatever created us, knew exactly what they were doing and didn’t make a mistake. Religious
views challenge this and use the excuse that god gave us free will but wanted us to conform to his desires. Another words he was smart enough to make
us but not smart enough to make us exactly the way he wanted. I can’t accept this for some reason. Maybe it’s because we have over 5 million
species on earth alone, and it just seems like very few if any errors were made. We might laugh or ridicule some designs but it’s all in the limits
of our understanding.
You're presupposing the existence of a creator when there is no objective evidence for one. Very few errors were made? There are more extinct species
than currently exist. How is that "very few errors"?
One assumption I made, that I stand firm on, is the love of life. Whoever made us must have a fondness for life. All the species just on earth
alone add up to a crazy amount. To make it more complicated, if you cut any of us open, there is more life inside, even in our blood, life made up of
life, made up of more life. Stranger yet, is everything is given the ability to reproduce, to make ongoing life. There is no question about it, the
creator loves life. Anytime god would punish us and kill people, it goes against the very idea of a creator. There also seems to be a large grace
period since the last time god has made a physical appearance here on earth. I don’t think it’s because we are being perfect angels either.
Believing god had good reason to ever punish us is also like saying we were the only mistake out of all the other life here. It just doesn’t make
In Sodom and Gamora, god appears to drop an atomic bomb on the city. It has the flash, the explosion, the same heat that turns the sand to
glass and even the radiation. Why is our alleged creator dropping atomic bombs on us? It’s looking like he’s not our creator. Another observation
is that god never showed his face anywhere in the bible. It’s as though he was hiding. From what, is the question. The best answer I could find is
that we knew him, well his race anyhow. Showing his face could have restored memory to all of the TGA victims and expose his doings.
"Fire and brimstone" is idiomatic, not literal, based on the original text. In fact, nothing you mention regarding a nuclear weapon is mentioned in
Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the
plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar
of salt. And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the Lord: And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all
the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace. And it came to pass, when God destroyed the
cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot
No flash, no explosion, no "sand to glass", no radiation. And these are just the issues with the first 40% of your post. You seem to be at odds with
yourself over whether the Bible is factually correct, allegorical, an "ancient alien hypothesis" kind of record, or factually incorrect. You're
making an extraordinary claim, and that requires extraordinary evidence to support it. You're simply not meeting the burden of evidence and this is
so far off of being "official" it's not even funny.