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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by gandhi
God is the concept of a creator. To say god is an alien is to go right back to square one.


Well yes, but that only because we only know what we were taught, and we were taught wrong.

I understand people don't want to hear this. Is it possible that Richard dawkins is correct when he says people that believe in God and Jesus are hallucinating. Well why would they. I would only believe that if there was a reason. It's because they feel they get to go to heaven if they believe. So I can understand his argument. I get nothing out of thinking god was an alien that tricked us, If you read the bible for a fairy tale, I think your making a mistake. It's not categorized in that section.

Just as much as I disagree with being place in the skunk forums. I can see my direction has much more truth and understanding than most religious beliefs. They are unable to explain the magic of god, and how things happened and why, and what they were. Yet I have answers and I'm the oddball.

Seriously, there is something wrong with people not wanting to be open to problems with religion and I have even been called a false prophet. Give me a break. I'm the one on track and while I pride myself in that I can see why people don't want to let go of the fairy tale. I don't like my findings to be honest. But that wasn't the point, its about getting to the truth.




posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by freedish
"its official"...lol


Your the 4th now commenting on the use of official. If you look back you will see I consider my authority and background grounds to use it.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
I haven't read the whole thread, but I would like to ask the OP (and those that agree with him) to consider what is called "The First Cause."
If you accept the big bang theory, then what caused. What happened one hour, one minute, one second before the Big Bang.
One cannot logically discuss the existence or non-existence of God without considering this.


That depends on what you mean by god.
God as though god created us and everything else, or the god that tricked us and abducted us?



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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I feel Jesus in my heart. Lo, just kidding, someone had to say it because you told us not to say it. My thoughts on the matter is that there is no God. Why would a God that loves us so much allow so many bad things to happen, place so many restrictions and rules on us and send us to a place called hell where you will suffer for all eternity, doesn't sound like the actions of a loving man.

What even irks me about religion more is that people claim the bible is some kind of accurate depiction of how their great father created the Earth and it's inhabitants and quirks. If the bible is so holy why is it constantly being updated and added too? If it were a true depiction of the past, why is there so many different versions and why are parts of supposed creational history amended and sometimes removed?

Much like people woke up about the 9/11 attacks, people need to wake up themselves to an even bigger false flag.. religion. Scientology is the perfect example of how people will believe anything if you use enough persuasive words.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth

Originally posted by googolplex
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Electricty is not always there.
So if you can't see it, might not be there. Don't be standing in water when you check, to see for sure.



I missed something, please elaborate.


All atoms have protons, electrons, and neutrons. I remember in human anatomy the professor said that the sperm and egg uniting forming an electrical spark.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by LadyTrick
I had no problem reading this as I found your ideas and thoughts interesting. I did see some flaws and problems and almost contradictions but generally I like the out of the box thinking which is always refreshing.

Reading it I was thinking maybe the sin was that our species was just too destructive? And we are being contained on this planet as punishment? We arn't exactly great at looking after this planet and there is always a war on somewhere.

Or Maybe we are just an experiment and our species is spread across hundreds of planets. They just watch and take note and the research collectively will enhance their own species. Like we do to mice.


I like you !!!! Only because that was actually a matched thought I had long ago as well. Yes as far as humans go we certainly have some issues ..... ok we have chapters and it seemed to be a possibility.
I go back to not questioning the design.
Now look back and see how that works for ya.
There is no sin, sorry to say, its another way of questioning the design.
I have total faith, our creation was good,,,,er ,,, keep in mind we have disabled DNA which of course causes problems. You can see this can be complex.

Curious what possible contradiction did you find, maybe I left something out ????



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
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You know what explains all of this FAR better than Aliens or God? Natural Evolution...why is it you didn't even consider that, but are debating two speculative mythologies instead?


Because it means there are lies in the bible and I don't think calling that many people liars is fair. I stand by the rule that people don't lie, the person lies.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by majormojo500
Oh man please please go break that very long OP into paragraphs that can be easily read or scanned, I used to do the same thing so you are not alone, but really I would love to read what you have to say but it is just too frustrating to try and stay focused on such a long run on. OK?


Love to read what you have to say dude, but can you break it down into sheeple terms please ?



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by ellieN
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Now..that was interesting!! To my surprise, some of it ..were things I had been thinking myself. Amazing! Now, maybe I won't feel so guilty thinking that way.


There is nothing wrong with thinking. I'm an inventor by nature and can tell you that I have solved many problems in life, its just an issue of how long you have to think about it.
With this, I kept imagination out of the picture because I was tired of the smoke and mirrors.
Help from facts of science that confirmed biblical history, started to paint a picture, a very big one, but I was interested enough to follow.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by Evanzsayz
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Technology now adays is making you think like that, we could of been primitive until we got wiped out and had to start over


So you think we were sloths for the first 192,000 years ????

No way jose, our DNA proves alterations and it spells trouble to me.

Do you honestly believe it only took us 200,000 years to make television, cars, planes, phones etc ....

I consider myself to be slow but come on.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by Equinox99
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Do you know how this is supposed to work when you say it is official? The onus of proof is on you to provide all the evidence to change our minds from God was the creator to God was an alien. You coming on here saying This is official would mean that you have indecisive evidence that God was an alien. I did not see that and since you are the one asking for proof I am going to assume you have no evidence yourself.


Maybe I need to reword that. Not sure.
I don't need proof god was an alien, it says in the bible he comes to us in a space craft.
Now you pick apart anything to any direction but it sounds like a no brainer to me.
I was actually asking for proof he ISNT an alien.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by 12 stranded dna
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there are three races on earth. there is the sons of man, mankind and human beings. its funny little wayne has a video saying i am not a human being. google dr delbert blair supreme being. he explains it all. also listen to kanye west power video its saying the same thing!


Can you define the differences ???



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth

Originally posted by 12 stranded dna
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there are three races on earth. there is the sons of man, mankind and human beings. its funny little wayne has a video saying i am not a human being. google dr delbert blair supreme being. he explains it all. also listen to kanye west power video its saying the same thing!


Can you define the differences ???


I just got through that, I thought everybody was alien hate to say. Doesn't matter what colour or creed you are. Maybe I'm confused or confuzzled ?



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by DigitalSea
I feel Jesus in my heart. Lo, just kidding, someone had to say it because you told us not to say it. My thoughts on the matter is that there is no God. Why would a God that loves us so much allow so many bad things to happen, place so many restrictions and rules on us and send us to a place called hell where you will suffer for all eternity, doesn't sound like the actions of a loving man.

What even irks me about religion more is that people claim the bible is some kind of accurate depiction of how their great father created the Earth and it's inhabitants and quirks. If the bible is so holy why is it constantly being updated and added too? If it were a true depiction of the past, why is there so many different versions and why are parts of supposed creational history amended and sometimes removed?

Much like people woke up about the 9/11 attacks, people need to wake up themselves to an even bigger false flag.. religion. Scientology is the perfect example of how people will believe anything if you use enough persuasive words.


You are accurate on track. You see the common sense of the problems.
Our real creator would not do those things, you are correct.
However, keep in mind that while God, or the direct dealings with god are under scrutiny with your understanding, the rest of the bible is accurate. Remember that many people involved don't lie. A single person might lie but you don't usually get mass amounts agreeing to lie. So when you do find something that isn't sitting well, you might be misreading it, or its out of translation, or they gave the best description they could which we just don't understand.

Sadly, most of whats known in the bible is taught. The misunderstanding and misdirection, along with the decit on gods end has won in this arena. You guys have to realize that humans are empty minds from the get go. Anything you ever know in life was either taught to you or you learned yourself. Most people simply don't take the time to lean about the paranormal, thus the whole understanding of the bible is taken out of context.

Additionally most people that believe in aliens, don't believe in god, and visa versa.
So in a weird way, they have degrees of separation that have kept us from understanding. It's strange because not only should this separation not be there, but they are one in the same.

Did you like the find on demonic possessions, and how that too is handled by the church??? Its just more proof that the separation has been the problem all along.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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It seems that your definition of "official" is vastly different from the norm.

Can you explain in more detail what you mean by the following two statements:


MTDNA only holds a very limited portion of all mothers of your lineage. A baseline was easy to determine on how many are present.

Limited how? Limited based on the fact that it's just matrilineal? And a baseline of what? And how many of what?


The 50,000 year variance stems from us making assumptions in the length of lives. Living in the year 2011 there is simply no logical excuse that explains the missing time on earth.

No, the discrepancy was due to imprecise molecular dating methods. The method has been further refined and it's known to be closer to 200kya than 150kya. So there's no "missing time", it's just an imprecise measurement.


Biblical reference isn’t even close to explaining this.

Agreed. Literal interpretations of Genesis have done an inordinate amount of damage to the progress of our understanding of the world around us and our own evolution.


I agree but not on the idea that heaven is a spiritual place. It would appear to be more of a physical place. Another planet.

I think the people that wrote the Bible would disagree with your interpretation.


This also explains a time difference as well as there is probably a different time line in the rotation of the planet. It could also explain the circadian rhythm disorder.

There's a pretty wide range of circadian rhythm disorders, and they're not shared by the entire population. If we had a genetic relation back to another planet, as you suggest, shouldn't a larger portion of the population, if not the entire population, be experiencing essentially the same disorder?


If it is true that we aren’t living on our home planet, our lives would be filled with adaptation, sickness and disease. We would also not know our purpose in life and spend a lot of time studying our planet as it would be new to us. The planet would seem to not fit us in many ways and we would probably rely greatly on doctors in our attempts to try to survive on the wrong planet. After careful thought, I realize it’s more than obvious this isn’t our home. People have mentioned this to me in the past and I just took in passing but never really thought about it in detail. It would appear that we have been placed in a compromising position. What has been done to us is cruelty in epic proportions.

I would argue that all of these "symptoms" that you're describing would be featured in any species, particularly one that has self-awareness. We're not the only organisms that experience "adaptation, sickness and disease". Most of the universe is incapable of sustaining life, and our own planet consists of a wide range of environments. It seems as though you're asserting that an organism that evolved on this planet would be adapted for every possible condition that exists on this planet. Basic understanding of the theory of evolution would suggest that this is not the case.


Adam and Eve were supposedly the first to start our race. If this is true than we would have a gross amount of defects in our genes, and we do. Over 4000 defect genes, 1000% above the normal observed amount compared to other life here on earth. Incest could be one cause for this. If not, then there had to be other people to start us as a new race. The bible makes no reference but there are missing pages. It hasn’t been mentioned before but gross defects could also stem from us not being on our correct planet and eating the correct diet. Humans will forever suffer while on earth. From what we understand about genetics, it would take a lot of people to start out a race, to avoid defects. It doesn’t matter; MTDNA tells us we didn’t start according to when the bible says we did. We are missing over 192,000 years of our lineage and we didn’t live it here on earth. Something is very wrong.

You seem to be at odds with yourself in this paragraph. First you're stating that the Bible must be wrong about how long we've been in existence because we know we've been here as H. sapiens for ca. 200k years. But then you try to say that we're "missing" 96% of our time here based on the young Earth creationist view that we've only been here since 6000 BC. We have a paleontological/archaeological record that is essentially free of gaps in terms of the evolution of modern humans. Why try to suggest that we were somewhere else for 192k years when we have evidence that we weren't?


Over three decades of study of the paranormal tell me that super powers of the mind, holds, TGA (amnesia), paralysis, telepathy, mind probing, thought control and emotion control, as well as other odd things seem to be normal and common place in reports. I accept most reports I have viewed as valid based on there being over 4 million of them, and they are consistent in details. If they are hallucinations then 4 million people around the globe that don’t know each other are all having the same hallucinations. Some reports are presented by hard core religious folks, as well as other avid non believers of paranormal life. Interviews from contacts that reveal a person in shambles, not understanding what, why, and how things have happened.

Can you cite sources for what you're claiming here? First, 4M reports spread out over, currently, 7B people living on this planet isn't much. Internal consistency isn't a substitute for real validation of the claims made in those reports. And you're only assuming that all of these people live in isolation from each other in terms of the content of those reports.


As with all of them, the experience is never positive. There are also reports of people claiming contacts that seem happy with the outcome, yet have nothing positive to say about the details. It’s as though they were brain washed to believe it was a good experience, even though they explain invasive painful procedures that have nothing positive. I make this observation because there is simply never anything positive behind the details. If I have reviewed over 10,000 reports, I feel confident to say that ET is not our friend.

See above.


I’m finding stories from people claiming to be abducted that don’t believe in ET. At the same time I’m finding it hard to find an atheist claiming they were recently saved by Jesus. One author claims that religious folks are hallucinating. based on the fact they believe they will get to go to heaven, I can see the connection. People that get abducted get nothing positive out of the experience. It seems to add credibility to the reports. Anyone can lie or claim to believe in something not real. When there is nothing to gain from it, it could add validity.

I fail to see how this supports your thesis.


If Adam and Eve, or any others, were abducted and brought to earth, it surly fits the description of what aliens do, they abduct people. Adam and Eve not realizing what has happened to them also fits the third most common element known about aliens, they erase memory (TGA). TGA is real and must be aggressively recognized. TGA is also what has, and what will continue to keep most people from believing in other life. Interviews simply make the victim look stupid as they unravel an abduction story that appears to be riddled full of holes. It doesn’t mean people don’t lie or make up abductions, but it sure explains the holes of memory in credible cases. Some people get back there memory days later.

Which Adam and Eve are you referring to: Y-chromosome Adam and mitochondrial Eve or Biblical Adam and Eve? I'm assuming it's the former, because you've seemingly already stated that the Bible is wrong in terms of timing. Further, you've made the point that we can trace back to our matrilineal MRCA existing about 200kya. If that ancestor, along with the patrilineal MRCA, were brought to this planet, then why do we share as much DNA as we do with other species?


This is because it’s a well known fact that exposing someone to familiar surroundings is the best chance at them getting back there memory.

Do you have a citation for this?


Not all of it comes back in some cases. While this might sound like a sci-fi, we can induce large amounts of alcohol and get the same effect. There is also a PTSD clause in here as well. It’s a known fact that some victims of PTSD can exhibit TGA signs. Being abducted is no doubt a traumatic experience, but I don’t think that’s what causes this in abductions, it seems to be induced, or it’s a power.

It seems like you're asserting some kind of PTSD/TGA combination via racial memory here. Or are you asserting that we've all been abducted? This is a confusing paragraph in terms of your thesis.


There are also sections of the bible that support this as well. One part, God is asking “Where are you?” Assuming a slight translation or writing error, it makes total sense if he had asked “Do you know where you are?” As though he was confirming that his memory had been erased. After much research, the old belief of god being all mighty and omnipotent and everything as unexplainable magic, has now turned to almost always explainable technology with ever so slightly rearranged wording.

Can you provide a citation for this as well as the original Hebrew for comparison? Assuming mistranslations is dubious when you're not providing a comparison of the modern vs. the original.


Other study I did was on life in general. It would appear that whoever or whatever created us, and all life, seems to have a pattern. Most things have two eyes, two ears, a brain, arms, legs, limbs etc. On a rare occasion we find similarities that are to close to explain. Evolving from primates has been ruled out. There are simply too many holes in the theory. If God was a space alien and not our real creator, I’m having one heck of a time finding a single clue that proves it wrong. I’m digging deep and can’t seem to find anything, but in more attempts seem to prove more that he was an alien.

What "study" have you done, precisely? Why has "evolving from primates" been ruled out? Common ancestry going back much much farther than 200kya has been proven genetically, so why would we, as beings from another planet, have such similar DNA to species that evolved on a totally different planet?


This was actually the starting section that made me wonder about humans. Something seemed odd, in that almost every report about other life, always involved powers like telepathy. It seemed as though the creator had another common pattern amongst humanoid creations in general. They always seem to have telepathy. I wondered, why don’t humans. I pondered the idea that maybe we did and they were disabled or removed. We do have several vestigial organs and supposedly only use 10% of the capacity of our brains, but that is simply not proof. I wanted multiple things before I would call it proof. One thing funny about vestigial organs is that science is actually unsure in a lot of ways what their purpose is. In addition, some things could be labeled as such but might do a lot more than we know.

Many species have vestigial organs, and there is absolutely no scientific evidence that we only use 10% of our brains.


I wanted to set some ground rules to get to the bottom of any findings. A creator should be a creator and not a destroyer. Too many times in the bible, there are events of god punishing us inhumanely. Killing mass amounts of people. It made no sense to me that a creator would do such a thing for ANY reason. It always falls back on respecting the design. We are of an intelligent design, more so than we realize.

I think you're totally overlooking the sociopolitical aspect of the Bible as a tool for control of a populace by an elite in power. The elite use the tenets of a religion to control the masses under threat of divine retribution. Why assume that the Bible is factually correct with regard to the powers of a creator when there is no objective evidence to support that?


I have absolute confidence believing whoever or whatever created us, knew exactly what they were doing and didn’t make a mistake. Religious views challenge this and use the excuse that god gave us free will but wanted us to conform to his desires. Another words he was smart enough to make us but not smart enough to make us exactly the way he wanted. I can’t accept this for some reason. Maybe it’s because we have over 5 million species on earth alone, and it just seems like very few if any errors were made. We might laugh or ridicule some designs but it’s all in the limits of our understanding.

You're presupposing the existence of a creator when there is no objective evidence for one. Very few errors were made? There are more extinct species than currently exist. How is that "very few errors"?


One assumption I made, that I stand firm on, is the love of life. Whoever made us must have a fondness for life. All the species just on earth alone add up to a crazy amount. To make it more complicated, if you cut any of us open, there is more life inside, even in our blood, life made up of life, made up of more life. Stranger yet, is everything is given the ability to reproduce, to make ongoing life. There is no question about it, the creator loves life. Anytime god would punish us and kill people, it goes against the very idea of a creator. There also seems to be a large grace period since the last time god has made a physical appearance here on earth. I don’t think it’s because we are being perfect angels either. Believing god had good reason to ever punish us is also like saying we were the only mistake out of all the other life here. It just doesn’t make any sense.

See above.


In Sodom and Gamora, god appears to drop an atomic bomb on the city. It has the flash, the explosion, the same heat that turns the sand to glass and even the radiation. Why is our alleged creator dropping atomic bombs on us? It’s looking like he’s not our creator. Another observation is that god never showed his face anywhere in the bible. It’s as though he was hiding. From what, is the question. The best answer I could find is that we knew him, well his race anyhow. Showing his face could have restored memory to all of the TGA victims and expose his doings.

"Fire and brimstone" is idiomatic, not literal, based on the original text. In fact, nothing you mention regarding a nuclear weapon is mentioned in the Bible.


Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt. And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the Lord: And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace. And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.

No flash, no explosion, no "sand to glass", no radiation. And these are just the issues with the first 40% of your post. You seem to be at odds with yourself over whether the Bible is factually correct, allegorical, an "ancient alien hypothesis" kind of record, or factually incorrect. You're making an extraordinary claim, and that requires extraordinary evidence to support it. You're simply not meeting the burden of evidence and this is so far off of being "official" it's not even funny.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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Very well thought out and written. This hits on Aliens, Religion and so many books and theories all at once. I myself have felt that we are the ant farm and someones pulling the strings. If God was all knowing and all seeing then he must have knowns Satan was a bad apple and should not have created him. So God himself either does not know or is a sick and twisted individual and just likes to see people suffer for his own amusement. Theres so much evidence out there on human kind coming monthly with new discoveries that we as Humans have been around for a hundreds of thousands of years with either being more advanced then , then we are now, or there was an outside intervention. I spend my time studying religions, Aliens, History and the like and have come to some conclusions myself. The way you have put everything into context with the DNA is very interesting and another possibility as everything is a possibility. I could spend hours having conversations with you debating all of our own little theories,, good job!



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:55 PM
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I'll give you evidence! I just read in a thread down from your's that Ra El is the one and only. He's gunna tell everybody on May 21st. You tube and tweet! What cha think about that, huh?



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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Wow, great post. My thoughts exactly. I've been an avid ancient astronaut theorist for a long time now. I've read "Fingerprints of The Gods" "Charriots of the Gods" "The Orion Mystery" I've also watched both History Channel's 2 seasons of Ancient Aliens. Seriously if you can make 2 seasons with 10-15 one hour episodes of evidence that we possibly mis-interpreted our past, and also the bible. Then thats got to be convincing enough. Our ancient races had a fine tuned understanding of the stars and our universe all these ancient civilizations got wiped out or just vanished. Sometime between then and now someone messed up our understanding of our real past.

The church. Just like any organization it eventually becomes corrupt mostley for monetary reasons. Im sure the church has known all along. And, are keeping it a secret for reasons of mass histera or the fact that we tainted our knowlege of history and origin and there is no turning back. I think the church knows somehow that we are about to come a new realization of our origin from an ancient race. The pope just said recently that he would be happy to baptize, and convert aliens to christianity. Really? So arrogant to claim that a race of aliens need to be converted to our supposed belief of religion and origin. A race that is 1000 fold more advanced than us, and probably had thousand to million years of jump start. I'm pretty sure they know where the origins of life are and who or what created them.
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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 07:03 PM
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isn't skunk works for speculative topics ? and who gets to decide when it's official ?

who created the aliens ? god ? that's the problem with transpermia solutions, they just pass the buck to another planet
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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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Where's your evidence. It's a pretty bold statement you made. I really could care less, but don't tout that as a fact by saying other people should show evidence of there being a god.





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