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For all you chem trail skeptics ive been seeing on here
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Originally posted by CUJOCREEP
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
dont you have the capability to do the research?
sure - when there's something to research.
But you are trying to make a point, so why do you require me to sit through an hour if irrelevant video before coming to eth point you want to make?
Why dont' you jsut make it?
Why do I have to "reasearch" your point for you?
why are you trying to hide it??
my guess is your like one of those apathetic 15 year olds who sag skinny jeans with 500 piercings on their face and an emo haircut that covers one eye like an illuminati symbol, watch the damn video, wait, let me calm down,i have to remember some of us had more flouride and mcdonalds than others,
apparently you ahve - I have put my professional and aviiation story here on ATS several times - you can probably find it by searching for "aloysius, 1960's" or something similar.
ok, airplanes that spray dangerous chemicals all over us all day everywhere every day the end, simple enough?
Sure - very simple - thanks - see that wasn't so hard - good to see the ritalin is having an effect.
Now as to that point - again thanks for saving me an hour of my life to find out that load of drivel. Sorry if you've fallen for the hoax and believe it....but that's your probem, nto mine.
edit on 12-5-2011 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
is this all new to some of you? well the main ingredients in the aresol is alluminum oxide(linked to cancer and alzheimers) and barrium (radio active element) among many others
is this all new to some of you? well the main ingredients in the aresol is alluminum oxide(linked to cancer and alzheimers) and barrium (radio active element) among many others
Debunk this: Alex Jones and the infowars crowd are alarmist-profiteering-fear-mongering-liars, and to quote the man himself "thats the absolute 100%
truth, and I have the documents to prove it".
reply to post by CUJOCREEP
Whoa......take a breath. Really. It was one of my composition teachers guidelines to the length a sentence should be, if you can't say it all in one breath, it's too long. That said, what is wrong with "credible sources"? Seems like experts in their fields, people who have studied and used the science they are talking about sometimes for decades, would be the people to go to. If there is something in the sky that resembles a cloud, I want to know what a meteorologist says about it. Why do planes fly like they do? I'll ask a pilot or ATC. Why does this plane make that size and shape of a contrail and that plane make another, I'll ask a flight mechanic.
Why does their expertise not count?
When I researched "chemtrails", I found someone who was a "research scientist". Then I read his work and found lots of things that were not well done. Like using his own work as a reference, using the instructions from a middle-school level chemistry kit as a reference and then found he had been spoofed by a lab's results about water. I consider this to be a lot less than credible. Why should I trust anything he says about chemistry? I don't.
And Alex Jones? Well, I consider him to be less than credible, too. I've seen a video made about him, not by him, that shows him doing something 5 times, yet claiming it was only 3 times. And his handlers backed him up. He can't count, is not honest, or both. What about him should I find credible? Why should I believe anything he says? I don't.
If you want a cooky, and the last cooky has been dropped in a pile of poo, do you break off the dirty part and eat the rest of the cooky or do you throw the whole cooky away? I throw the whole cooky away. Information from either of these sources is the cooky, but their credibility is Poo. Nothing can be believed from either source.
Science on the other hand, has a strict policy. Any finding tested many times before publication. It explains each step in the process, down to the equipment used, so people can repeat their findings. It explains the logic and math used to reach the conclusion. Then they go through peer-review. Which part of that do you find in error?
Credibility is everything in a search for the truth. Your standards are thankfully different than most.
Whoa......take a breath. Really. It was one of my composition teachers guidelines to the length a sentence should be, if you can't say it all in one breath, it's too long. That said, what is wrong with "credible sources"? Seems like experts in their fields, people who have studied and used the science they are talking about sometimes for decades, would be the people to go to. If there is something in the sky that resembles a cloud, I want to know what a meteorologist says about it. Why do planes fly like they do? I'll ask a pilot or ATC. Why does this plane make that size and shape of a contrail and that plane make another, I'll ask a flight mechanic.
Why does their expertise not count?
When I researched "chemtrails", I found someone who was a "research scientist". Then I read his work and found lots of things that were not well done. Like using his own work as a reference, using the instructions from a middle-school level chemistry kit as a reference and then found he had been spoofed by a lab's results about water. I consider this to be a lot less than credible. Why should I trust anything he says about chemistry? I don't.
And Alex Jones? Well, I consider him to be less than credible, too. I've seen a video made about him, not by him, that shows him doing something 5 times, yet claiming it was only 3 times. And his handlers backed him up. He can't count, is not honest, or both. What about him should I find credible? Why should I believe anything he says? I don't.
If you want a cooky, and the last cooky has been dropped in a pile of poo, do you break off the dirty part and eat the rest of the cooky or do you throw the whole cooky away? I throw the whole cooky away. Information from either of these sources is the cooky, but their credibility is Poo. Nothing can be believed from either source.
Science on the other hand, has a strict policy. Any finding tested many times before publication. It explains each step in the process, down to the equipment used, so people can repeat their findings. It explains the logic and math used to reach the conclusion. Then they go through peer-review. Which part of that do you find in error?
Credibility is everything in a search for the truth. Your standards are thankfully different than most.
edit on 12-5-2011 by stars15k because:
clarity
reply to post by CUJOCREEP
Where do you get that information?
A "news"report making this claim is found to be full of important errors.
Where do you get that information?
A "news"report making this claim is found to be full of important errors.
reply to post by CUJOCREEP
There is no "on and off" contrail. The exhaust is there all the time, you can only see it when the conditions are right. Layers and pockets of the atmosphere have different conditions. They do not mix instantaneously. Energy, including wind, moves in waves. When there are two layers of the atmosphere have not mixed, this wave is evident by planes both inside and out.
Inside, you feel turbulence.
Outside, the trail will be visible when the conditions are right and not visible when they are not.
Here, I made an illustration.
There is no "on and off" contrail. The exhaust is there all the time, you can only see it when the conditions are right. Layers and pockets of the atmosphere have different conditions. They do not mix instantaneously. Energy, including wind, moves in waves. When there are two layers of the atmosphere have not mixed, this wave is evident by planes both inside and out.
Inside, you feel turbulence.
Outside, the trail will be visible when the conditions are right and not visible when they are not.
Here, I made an illustration.
edit on 12-5-2011 by stars15k because: added illustration
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Originally posted by stars15k
reply to post by CUJOCREEP
If there is something in the sky that resembles a cloud, I want to know what a meteorologist says about it. Why do planes fly like they do? I'll ask a pilot or ATC. Why does this plane make that size and shape of a contrail and that plane make another, I'll ask a flight mechanic.
Why does their expertise not count?
It just doesn't suit some people to actually think objectively. Presenting a logical argument to a chemtrail 'believer' is like presenting a dinosaur fossil to a Jehova's Witness.
edit on 12-5-2011 by seabhac-rua because: (no reason given)
reply to post by CUJOCREEP
Wow, I actually found your entire argument that you're making on wikipedia!
Here it is!
Argument from ignorance
Then it gets juicy...
Wow, I actually found your entire argument that you're making on wikipedia!
Here it is!
Argument from ignorance
Argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam or appeal to ignorance, is an informal logical fallacy. It asserts that a proposition is necessarily true because it has not been proven false (or vice versa).
Then it gets juicy...
In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.
edit on 12-5-2011 by ZombieJesus because: (no reason given)
reply to post by CUJOCREEP
I see where you made your first mistake. That mistake was listening to Alex Jones and then believe what crap he spews and he doesn't even research things on his own, because he believes what anyone tells him..AJ always say's he has documents to support his claims yet he never shows those documents, and you want to believe what he say's.
www.infowars.com...
need we say more?
I see where you made your first mistake. That mistake was listening to Alex Jones and then believe what crap he spews and he doesn't even research things on his own, because he believes what anyone tells him..AJ always say's he has documents to support his claims yet he never shows those documents, and you want to believe what he say's.
Originally posted by Helious
That is not the way to present an argument for anything, simply pointing to some source and expecting people to blindly watch it without taking in any of your own opinions is just not going to win anyone over but fanatics.
HAHA. You're hilarious. This is better than stand-up comedy. At what point did he say he wanted people to watch it blindly? He wants people to watch it with the full use of at least one eye. And if he posted his opinion without anything to back it up you'd probably complain that he didn't post a video or something, even if his opinion was a paragraph long. Nothing satisfies you people. Quite odd. The dude could have posted the minutes/seconds mark initially, but who cares? Cut him some slack.
Props to CUJOCREEP for putting up with all this. I haven't watched the video yet (I will), but I watch Alex Jones almost every day. He comes across, to me, as one of the most honest people I've ever seen... and I've never even met him. On air, he admits he drinks too much coffee, he admits he maybe eats too much, he admits he's not perfect. You guys, WHOEVER YOU ARE, can bash bash bash all you want, but the numbers don't lie. The guy's got more viewers than MSNBC. The entire maintstream media watch him every day to know what to whitewash. Maintream media writes hit-pieces on him almost daily. The whitehouse itself has, in the past, responded directly to an article released by infowars.com, saying it was lies. I see infowars.com stickers ALL OVER my city. Now, that's a fact. You want to debate that fact? You can't unless you call me a liar. Because I see those stickers every day. Authorities take some down, and some passionate dude puts them right back up.
You know why? Because we don't like signs on the bus telling us that audio is being recorded for our safety. We don't like poison in our food, water, and air. It adds insult to injury when the government pretends to care about our health and environment. My parents, my friends' parents, your average joe on the street, everybody I talk to is waking up FAST. Fewer and fewer people are drinking fluoride. Fewer and fewer people are SCARED. The truth is more popular than ever. Two years ago people stopped watching TV for their news. It's no coincidence that the internet comes under attack NOW and not 2 years ago (as much). Like I said, people crave the truth, now. Even ATS's own polls show that the independent media on the internet is the most popular avenue for people to get their news, and the polls also showed that most of the people on here are fairly well educated. People are noticing the global riots. So infowars is dominating the media. All this and infowars.com is run by about ONLY 6 employees. HAHAHAHAHA. BOOYEAH! Do the frickin math. And those poor saps pay thousands of dollars to the mainstream media for advertising space... advertising space that is basically watched by nobody.
Global consciousness is exploding. Love will fvcking win in the end. Alex Jones is a true warrior, worthy of respect. The guy gets death threats for what he does. People call his house and say "I can see that chiwawa in your back yard. I'm gonna slit your fvcking throat." He is also a man of his word, otherwise cops and military wouldn't be able to send him suspicious training manuals anonymously.
Battle of the wits, indeed.
Resistance is victory. I find hope in the fact that almost everything the government says is a lie. That represents hope, to me. Every year Barry and the rest of them look more tired, have more grey hair, seem more fed up. Every year takes 10 years off their faces. The human race is evolving. Fast. I want that to sink in. We weren't meant to live like this. We all know that. We love our lives, we love our families, and we have dignity. We don't like when people take our belongings, our health, our time, our energy, our lives, our cold... hard... cash.
reply to post by Chadwickus
Presumably it proves that the white "chemtrails" we saw over England this morning were massive drops of iron filings into the Arctic Ocean, intended to increase algal growth and in turn reduce atmospheric CO2 concentrations.
Obvious innit
Presumably it proves that the white "chemtrails" we saw over England this morning were massive drops of iron filings into the Arctic Ocean, intended to increase algal growth and in turn reduce atmospheric CO2 concentrations.
Obvious innit
Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by CUJOCREEP
www.infowars.com...
need we say more?
I see where you made your first mistake. That mistake was listening to Alex Jones and then believe what crap he spews and he doesn't even research things on his own, because he believes what anyone tells him..AJ always say's he has documents to support his claims yet he never shows those documents, and you want to believe what he say's.
He doesn't show the documents because there's such a mountain of information that if he had to show every document, there would be no radio show. Yes, there IS that much information out there. Believe it or not. It's bad enough the ads come on so often as it is.
With respect to the rest of the arguments below... if you disagree with them, I'm afraid the above still stands.
Half the time, he probably at least mentions the document or enough info for you to go do some research of your own and find the document. Didn't you notice that? It's not his job to spoon feed everybody every little tidbit of information. Ever heard of the line of least resistance?
Also, apart from documents, he often quotes mainstream media itself whenever they do mention something interesting. It's just that he gets to be the lucky one who is demonized when they call him "paranoia-porn" and other crap like that. But 99% of what he's saying is in mainstream media already or the many documents. It's a complete double standard. Classic divide and conquer. Demonize one guy to set an example to scare the rest. If it comes out of his mouth, it's wrong, but anywhere else is fine... THAT's completely nuts.... but of course, that's not the reality, because he's gaining ground all the time. People call in and say "I'm getting 2 of your films playing ALL DAY on cable access television here in my area." People love him. I love him.
And Alex doesn't blindly believe what anybody tells him. I can see that with my eyes, soul, intellect, psyche, mind, intelligence, intuition, gut-feeling, whatever you want to call it. Keep trying, buddy...
reply to post by PinealGland
You are a moron if you think Alex Jones is 'honest'. His tactics are the very definition of propaganda. Plus he is making a tonne of money off scaring people half to death, eg. the Kukushima disaster, telling people in the U.S. they are about to be hit with massive doses of radiation one minute, selling geiger counters the next. There are literally 100's of examples of him lying, exaggerating and just plain making stuff up. All day long that prick is telling people how they are gonna die, and then selling them solutions. Alex Jones is laughing all the way to the bank, and you come on here and say he's 'one of the most honest people I've ever seen', do you realize how idiotic that sounds? You are a sucker, no other way to say it, keep sending him your money.
You are a moron if you think Alex Jones is 'honest'. His tactics are the very definition of propaganda. Plus he is making a tonne of money off scaring people half to death, eg. the Kukushima disaster, telling people in the U.S. they are about to be hit with massive doses of radiation one minute, selling geiger counters the next. There are literally 100's of examples of him lying, exaggerating and just plain making stuff up. All day long that prick is telling people how they are gonna die, and then selling them solutions. Alex Jones is laughing all the way to the bank, and you come on here and say he's 'one of the most honest people I've ever seen', do you realize how idiotic that sounds? You are a sucker, no other way to say it, keep sending him your money.
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Originally posted by PinealGland
He doesn't show the documents because there's such a mountain of information that if he had to show every document, there would be no radio show. Yes, there IS that much information out there. Believe it or not.
Why doesn't he just put the documents on the internet?
reply to post by PinealGland
Yup....and, you still don't see AJ's game, yet??? :shk:
Repeating......."there would be no radio show."
Get it, yet?
No show, no advertisers.
No advertisers, no profit.
No profit, no PAYCHECK for AJ!
Of COURSE he stirs the pot, any way he can, and he has many pots boiling at once....he is a greedy, greedy liar and muckraker.
Yup....and, you still don't see AJ's game, yet??? :shk:
He doesn't show the documents because there's such a mountain of information that if he had to show every document, there would be no radio show.
Repeating......."there would be no radio show."
Get it, yet?
No show, no advertisers.
No advertisers, no profit.
No profit, no PAYCHECK for AJ!
Of COURSE he stirs the pot, any way he can, and he has many pots boiling at once....he is a greedy, greedy liar and muckraker.
edit on 13 May 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by CUJOCREEP
www.infowars.com...
need we say more?
I see where you made your first mistake. That mistake was listening to Alex Jones and then believe what crap he spews and he doesn't even research things on his own, because he believes what anyone tells him..AJ always say's he has documents to support his claims yet he never shows those documents, and you want to believe what he say's.
Did you see that Alex Jones and Len Horowitz are not longer buddies?
Len Horowitz has for the most part left chemtrails behind and went into all the new agey stuff, including lots of different remedies. Len was counting on Alex to endorse his product, but Alex shopped around and chose someone elses Collodial Silver product.
Len and Hilder are no longer friends either, all these fights seem to be about money. Money was what started the chemtrails conspiracy, thanks to Will Thomas and Len Horowitz too
Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by PinealGland
You are a moron if you think Alex Jones is 'honest'. His tactics are the very definition of propaganda. Plus he is making a tonne of money off scaring people half to death, eg. the Kukushima disaster, telling people in the U.S. they are about to be hit with massive doses of radiation one minute, selling geiger counters the next. There are literally 100's of examples of him lying, exaggerating and just plain making stuff up. All day long that prick is telling people how they are gonna die, and then selling them solutions. Alex Jones is laughing all the way to the bank, and you come on here and say he's 'one of the most honest people I've ever seen', do you realize how idiotic that sounds? You are a sucker, no other way to say it, keep sending him your money.
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If you were paying attention you'd see that he sells things for a lot less than one would expect. And about the geiger counters.... I suppose when your government suddenly stops revealing data of radatiation levels, and then a month later we see a fire at the Fukushima site,... and a media blackout.... then, I suppose at that point you would expect a person SO POPULAR that literally the entire globe is watching him... you would expect that person to do nothing. Oh and I forgot to mention the wold war 3 aspect of this whereby globalists are planning ANOTHER false flag event, this time via nuke, possibly on the US (Chicago) or Europe, blamed on Osama's friends or whatever. It's probably being discussed somewhere else on this forum. But HERE'S THE THING
... IT'S OBVIOUS THAT DOCTORS FOLLOW STRICT GUIDELINES WITH RESPECT TO THE RADIATION THEY DEAL WITH WITH THEIR PATIENTS.... SO WHY NOT THOSE VIPER TEAMS THAT ARE RAMPANTLY SCANNING TRUCKS ON HIGHWAYS? Many experts concur about the skin cancer risk posed by those body scanners in airports and at random checkpoints all over the place, and on mobile police trucks designed to look like delivery trucks. I'm not going to source this so don't ask me. You can probably find it in 2 seconds with research if you actually care too.
Einstein or someone once said something like "evil happens when good people do nothing" or something along those lines. Alex wouldn't be able to sleep at night if he didn't make potassium iodide available to people during this media blackout. Even as I'm writing this I'm getting deja vu, which usually underscores events for me.
As for the fluoride... you're a joke. This video will settle the debate.
naturalnews.tv...
If it doesn't, it's because you aren't willing to confirm any of the information in the video for yourself. You'll probably just dislike it for any damn reason you choose. Either that or one of you, or a number of you, are getting paid by the government to piss your life away attacking people to simply appeal to the lowest common denomenator. I sense your fear. Don't act like you don't exist. This isn't directed at any specific person. But I want it to be public that not everybody is oblivious that money talks, that people actually would piss their life and energy away demonizing a person to an audience that is basically chemically suppressed, and battered with electro-magnetic pollution. I'm not afraid to say what I think, and most of the time you people look rediculous. Not saying anybody who disagrees with Alex Jones is an agent. Not saying that at all. Of course I'd be crazy if I thought that. But you know who you are. Others on this forum have bravely pointed you out and your tactics. If people close down this forum as a result of the ridicule it faces, they are forgetting that people who spread truth are often faced with ridicule, sometimes violent opposition. Like I said, this world is not modern. This is a barbaric place. But I'm not one of those saps that agreed to give up the sovereignty of my soul. I still do trust myself, my instincts, and my experience shows me that I'm not barbaric, my friends aren't barbaric. My heart bleeds for our mother earth but moreso for the hearts of those who cannot see a simple trick. The governments and their "consensus" of scientists fabricated data that lead to the global warming myth.
For those who ignored me the first time about this, here it is again
vimeo.com...
It's a deep subject, so get your feet white for the love of god. Don't ask me to explain what the guy in the video explains 10 thousands times better than I ever could. I couldn't do him justice. Randal Carlson is awesome.
Of course they couldn't do it without the help of the complacent masses. Nobody put a gun to anybody's head and forced them to watch An Inconvenient Truth. But the point is our flawless style wrecks your smile. Nobody gets their point across by threatening people with death (the UK global warming commercial by 10:10).
Anyway, I'm done.
Here's a full transcript of The Fluoride Deception video if that's what your little heart desires. Chock full of links.
www.naturalnews.com...
www.naturalnews.com...
Originally posted by CUJOCREEP
reply to post by ziggyproductions05
they mix it in with the fuel most of the time so the pilots are unaware, some planes are designed for it and even have on and off switches,ive seen them spray then turn it off then turn it back on to spray more,not everyones nice, theres people that will cave your head in with a phone book if someone payed them 20 bucks to do it
Wait...
So you say the pilots are unaware, and that is in the fuel. Then you say its with on/off switches. So if they are unaware, how are they operating the switches? Or do you think its the Navigator on the airlines that is doing it?
If it was a fuel additive that makes huge contrails, then why does it only seem to happen at contrailing altitudes?
Originally posted by Uncinus
Originally posted by PinealGland
He doesn't show the documents because there's such a mountain of information that if he had to show every document, there would be no radio show. Yes, there IS that much information out there. Believe it or not.
Why doesn't he just put the documents on the internet?
At one time, Will Thomas claimed he had actually sampled the contrails and had the lab reports. But, of course he wanted money, to reimburse him supposedly, before he would release the lab reports.
Later on, he admitted he had no such lab reports, but was trying to hire a plane to do it, if only people would give him money to do so.