What if on May 21st, 2011, "Christ" does "return"?

Jesus may very well have existed. The evidence is slight and second hand, at best. No one that ever met him wrote anything down about it, and he never bothered to write anything down himself.

However, even if somehow there was proof that he existed...so what? That doesn't give any weight to the supernatural claims about him.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by simonsayz

 

how about you stop spitting out names from the bible to claim as eye-witnesses?

thats the same as me saying superman exist because lois lane was his girlfriend/wife, pete ross was his best friend, jonathan and martha kent were his adopted parents and his greatest enemy was Lex Luthor

ABSURD! None of those characters were historical people. Moot point. Hostile contemporary sources don't even deny these were historical people. Only raging fool would have the audacity to claim these people were non-existent.

Hell, the Jews of Jesus's day do not deny He existed.

edit on 16-5-2011 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

He never existed. Get over it. Keep praying to the invisible man if you wish. Most of the characters in the bible are not historical and most of the stories in the bible are ficticious. There are some stories there that are based on fact but the rest are there for controlled people who need somesymbolic figure to tell them how to lead their lives.

And as far as the Jews? The Zionist Jews are the ones that started this whole sorry mess in the first place. Christianity and other religions that came after it are all based on Paganism. Sun Worship. That is your God. The Sun!!

I think people who pray to a celestial body in the sky are the foolish ones. The biggest scam in this world is religion!!

Originally posted by simonsayz
sorry but there is no significant evidence to support the existence of Jesus.

This is what you consider a rebuttal, simply declaring something to be a fact? Those articles show that Jesus existed, so to debunk them you have to show why every piece of evidence is false. A debate is where people present evidence, not just sit there and make assertions at each other.

where are his bones? let me guess, when he went to heaven his flesh and bones went there too
so this would be the excuse of not having proof

Are you aware that the whole of Christian faith is on whether or not Jesus rose from the dead in bodily form? That the absence of bones is just one of the pieces of evidence?

Your comments are evidence that you know practically nothing about the Bible or Christianity or how to debate a topic.

Religions were designed to imprison the mind and engulf the emotions with fear and guilt. They were usually based on some ‘saviour-god’ figure like Jesus or Mohammed and only by believing in them and following their dictates can we find ‘God’ and be saved. That is precisely what the Babylonian priests said about Nimrod when the blueprint for control-by-religion was being moulded in Babylon. Those who refuse to believe this hogwash are condemned to stoke the fires of hell for all eternity. Staggeringly, billions upon billions have fallen for this scam over thousands of years, and still do. That’s fine if they want to give their minds and their lives away, but many insist that everyone else must do the same and that’s not fine. Seriously not fine. Most of the people will be from the parts of the world dominated by Christianity and Judaism and so these are the main examples of how symbolic stories have become literal truths and how the manipulation of these stories has produced the most powerful form of mass mind control yet invented.

To understand the true background to the religions, we need to appreciate the basis of all ancient religion going back to the Phoenicians, the Babylonians and beyond. It was the Sun. The Sun is the solar system and when it changes, we change. Understanding these Sun cycles, and the changing nature of the energy it projects, allows you to anticipate how human beings are most likely to react to various events at different times. As with the texts that form the basis of the various religions, there are two levels of knowledge in Sun worship. To understand the ancient Sun symbolism is to understand the major religions. In the ancient world they used one particular symbol for the Sun’s journey through the year. This is still a fundamental symbol used by the Babylonian Brotherhood. It symbolized both the Phoenician depictions of Barati and was on the shield of her British expression, Britannia. The ancients took the circle of the zodiac (a Greek word meaning animal circle) and inserted a cross to mark the four seasons.

At the centre of the cross, they placed the Sun. So many of the pre-Christian deities were said to have been born on December 25th because of this symbolism. On December 2lst-22nd, you have the winter solstice when, in the northern hemisphere, the Sun is at the lowest point of its power in the annual cycle. The Sun, the ancients said, had symbolically ‘died’. By December 25th, the Sun had demonstrably begun its symbolic journey back to the summer and the peak of its power. The ancients, therefore, said that the Sun was ‘born’ on December 25th. The Christian Christmas is merely a renamed Pagan festival, as indeed are all Christian festivals. Easter is another. About March 25th, the old fixed date for Easter, the Sun enters the astrological sign of Aries the ram or the lamb. At this time the ancients used to sacrifice lambs because they believed this would appease the gods, most notably the Sun god, and ensure abundant harvests. In other words they believed that the blood of the lamb would mean that their sins would be forgiven.

Originally posted by LazerTron
Jesus may very well have existed. The evidence is slight and second hand, at best. No one that ever met him wrote anything down about it, and he never bothered to write anything down himself.

Blatantly false. The documentation is neither "slight", nor "second hand". List of people who met Jesus and documented their encounters with Jesus:

Matthew, John, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude.

John Mark and Luke were NT authors who never met Jesus but compiled works based on interviews of eyewitnesses. What is particularly telling is the books written by James and Jude, Jesus's half-brothers. If anyone in the world would know if the man had sinned or not it would be his half-brothers who grew up with the man. And James was not a believer until his resurrected brother revealed Himself to him after the crucifixion.

However, even if somehow there was proof that he existed...so what? That doesn't give any weight to the supernatural claims about him.

Exactly, I said that pages ago. I said not even skeptical historians deny Jesus existed, there is raging debate in regards to His miracles, but none of them dare to claim the man didn't exist. But what DOES give a great amount of weight to the supernatural claims are:

A) The spread of Christianity like wildfire in the city of Jerusalem 50 days after the resurrection, over 8,000 men and women believed at Pentecost. This would never have happened if Jesus were still in the tomb. The tomb was empty, nearly everyone in Jerusalem knew this.

B) All the apostle except for John joyfully endured horrible deaths as martyrs for the testimony of Jesus Christ when only a simple recanting would have spared them both torture and death. John was the only apostle to die of natural causes.

C) Hostile sources such as the "Babylonian Talmud" do NOT deny Jesus's miracles. They attribute them however to Him being a "magician" and not the Son of God.

reply to post by stevcolx

He never existed.

At best you're incredibly ignorant, at worst you're blatantly lying. I'm willing to offer you the benefit of the doubt and claim you're the former.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by stevcolx

 

He never existed.

At best you're incredibly ignorant, at worst you're blatantly lying. I'm willing to offer you the benefit of the doubt and claim you're the former.

Here u go:

It’s all recycling. Jesus is a myth man.
The invented character of Jesus was a Sun god, symbolic of God’s ‘Sun’... The Light of the World. This very phrase, Light of the World, was used by the Aryan-Phoenicians to symbolize the ‘one true god’ thousands of years before the alleged birth of Abraham, the quite wrongly named creator of the one-god concept. They also symbolized the one true god, the Sun, with the ‘one true cross’.

The Christians portray Jesus with a halo around his head and that’s exactly how the Phoenicians depicted the rays of the Sun around the head of their Sun god, Bel or Bil. This can be seen on a Phoenician stone dating to about the 4th century BC. Different eras and cultures gave different names to these same concepts and so in the Gospels, Horus became Jesus and Isis became Mary, the virgin mother of Jesus, the Sun. Mary is constantly pictured holding the baby Jesus, but this is merely a repeat of all the Egyptian portrayals of Isis holding the baby Horus. These people did not actually exist, they are symbolic. Isis became associated with the astrological sign of Virgo the virgin, as did Mary. The titles given to Isis of ‘Star of the Sea’ and ‘Queen of Heaven’ were also given to Mary and they both originate from Queen Semiramis, who was called the Queen of Heaven in Babylon. Christianity and Judaism are both the religion of Babylon.

It's all symbolism. Jesus is a symbol as was moses, mary..........The list goes on.

Originally posted by stevcolx

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by stevcolx

 

He never existed.

At best you're incredibly ignorant, at worst you're blatantly lying. I'm willing to offer you the benefit of the doubt and claim you're the former.

Here u go:

It’s all recycling. Jesus is a myth man.
The invented character of Jesus was a Sun god, symbolic of God’s ‘Sun’... The Light of the World. This very phrase, Light of the World, was used by the Aryan-Phoenicians to symbolize the ‘one true god’ thousands of years before the alleged birth of Abraham, the quite wrongly named creator of the one-god concept. They also symbolized the one true god, the Sun, with the ‘one true cross’.

The Christians portray Jesus with a halo around his head and that’s exactly how the Phoenicians depicted the rays of the Sun around the head of their Sun god, Bel or Bil. This can be seen on a Phoenician stone dating to about the 4th century BC. Different eras and cultures gave different names to these same concepts and so in the Gospels, Horus became Jesus and Isis became Mary, the virgin mother of Jesus, the Sun. Mary is constantly pictured holding the baby Jesus, but this is merely a repeat of all the Egyptian portrayals of Isis holding the baby Horus. These people did not actually exist, they are symbolic. Isis became associated with the astrological sign of Virgo the virgin, as did Mary. The titles given to Isis of ‘Star of the Sea’ and ‘Queen of Heaven’ were also given to Mary and they both originate from Queen Semiramis, who was called the Queen of Heaven in Babylon. Christianity and Judaism are both the religion of Babylon.

It's all symbolism. Jesus is a symbol as was moses, mary..........The list goes on.

The problem with that is he actually existed.

reply to post by stevcolx

Not so fast...
withalliamgod.wordpress.com...

Originally posted by 547000

Originally posted by stevcolx

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by stevcolx

 

He never existed.

At best you're incredibly ignorant, at worst you're blatantly lying. I'm willing to offer you the benefit of the doubt and claim you're the former.

Here u go:

It’s all recycling. Jesus is a myth man.
The invented character of Jesus was a Sun god, symbolic of God’s ‘Sun’... The Light of the World. This very phrase, Light of the World, was used by the Aryan-Phoenicians to symbolize the ‘one true god’ thousands of years before the alleged birth of Abraham, the quite wrongly named creator of the one-god concept. They also symbolized the one true god, the Sun, with the ‘one true cross’.

The Christians portray Jesus with a halo around his head and that’s exactly how the Phoenicians depicted the rays of the Sun around the head of their Sun god, Bel or Bil. This can be seen on a Phoenician stone dating to about the 4th century BC. Different eras and cultures gave different names to these same concepts and so in the Gospels, Horus became Jesus and Isis became Mary, the virgin mother of Jesus, the Sun. Mary is constantly pictured holding the baby Jesus, but this is merely a repeat of all the Egyptian portrayals of Isis holding the baby Horus. These people did not actually exist, they are symbolic. Isis became associated with the astrological sign of Virgo the virgin, as did Mary. The titles given to Isis of ‘Star of the Sea’ and ‘Queen of Heaven’ were also given to Mary and they both originate from Queen Semiramis, who was called the Queen of Heaven in Babylon. Christianity and Judaism are both the religion of Babylon.

It's all symbolism. Jesus is a symbol as was moses, mary..........The list goes on.

The problem with that is he actually existed.

No proof of his existence apart from biblical writings and most of them are all false anyway. Symbolism is all Jesus was.

reply to post by stevcolx

It’s all recycling. Jesus is a myth man.

Okay, I stand corrected, you're BOTH incredibly ignorant to history and blatantly lying.

Originally posted by SaberTruth
reply to post by stevcolx

 

Not so fast...
withalliamgod.wordpress.com...

Brother, that's far too many rungs above his I.Q.

Is there a "Christian History for Kids" site the linkable?

reply to post by NOTurTypical

We post articles, make arguments, back up our claims from extra-biblical sources, and they just keep chanting "Jesus never existed, Jesus is a myth! Jesus never existed, Jesus is a myth!"

Ain't no reasoning with the unreasonable.

Originally posted by stevcolx

Originally posted by 547000

Originally posted by stevcolx

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by stevcolx

 

He never existed.

At best you're incredibly ignorant, at worst you're blatantly lying. I'm willing to offer you the benefit of the doubt and claim you're the former.

Here u go:

It’s all recycling. Jesus is a myth man.
The invented character of Jesus was a Sun god, symbolic of God’s ‘Sun’... The Light of the World. This very phrase, Light of the World, was used by the Aryan-Phoenicians to symbolize the ‘one true god’ thousands of years before the alleged birth of Abraham, the quite wrongly named creator of the one-god concept. They also symbolized the one true god, the Sun, with the ‘one true cross’.

The Christians portray Jesus with a halo around his head and that’s exactly how the Phoenicians depicted the rays of the Sun around the head of their Sun god, Bel or Bil. This can be seen on a Phoenician stone dating to about the 4th century BC. Different eras and cultures gave different names to these same concepts and so in the Gospels, Horus became Jesus and Isis became Mary, the virgin mother of Jesus, the Sun. Mary is constantly pictured holding the baby Jesus, but this is merely a repeat of all the Egyptian portrayals of Isis holding the baby Horus. These people did not actually exist, they are symbolic. Isis became associated with the astrological sign of Virgo the virgin, as did Mary. The titles given to Isis of ‘Star of the Sea’ and ‘Queen of Heaven’ were also given to Mary and they both originate from Queen Semiramis, who was called the Queen of Heaven in Babylon. Christianity and Judaism are both the religion of Babylon.

It's all symbolism. Jesus is a symbol as was moses, mary..........The list goes on.

The problem with that is he actually existed.

No proof of his existence apart from biblical writings and most of them are all false anyway. Symbolism is all Jesus was.

Have you actually looked for non-biblical sources? Something tells me you've just assumed He was a a myth because myths sound familiar.

Originally posted by SaberTruth
reply to post by stevcolx

 

Not so fast...
withalliamgod.wordpress.com...

Here are just some of the ‘Son of God’ heroes who play the lead role in stories which mirror those attributed to Jesus and almost all were worshipped long before Jesus was even heard of: And all have the same birth and life sequence.

Khrishna of Hindostan
Buddha Sakia of India
Salivahana of Bermuda
Osiris and Horus of Egypt
Odin of Scandinavia
Crite of Chaldea
Zoroaster of Persia
Baal and Taut of Phoenicia
Indra of Tibet
Bali of Afghanistan
Jao of Nepal
Wittoba of Bilingonese
Tammuz of Syria and Babylon
Attis of Phrygia
Xamolxis of Thrace
Zoar of the Bonzes
Adad of Assyria
Deva Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam
Alcides of Thebes
Mikado of the Sintoos
Beddru of Japan
Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillahm, of the Druids
Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls
Cadmus of Greece
Hil and Feta of Mandaites
Gentaut and Quetzalcoatl of Mexico
Universal Monarch of the Sibyls
Ischy of Formosa
Divine Teacher of Plato
Holy One of Xaca
Fohi and Tien of China
Adonis, son of virgin lo, of Greece
Ixion and Quirinus of Rome
Prometheus of the Caucasus
Mohammed or Mahomet, of Arabia

Originally posted by SaberTruth
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

We post articles, make arguments, back up our claims from extra-biblical sources, and they just keep chanting "Jesus never existed, Jesus is a myth! Jesus never existed, Jesus is a myth!"

Ain't no reasoning with the unreasonable.

Ah you've just said the magic words 'extra-biblical sources'.

You can't get true information from any articles that related to the bible. Because they are bias in their results.

Originally posted by stevcolx

Originally posted by SaberTruth
reply to post by stevcolx

 

Not so fast...
withalliamgod.wordpress.com...

Here are just some of the ‘Son of God’ heroes who play the lead role in stories which mirror those attributed to Jesus and almost all were worshipped long before Jesus was even heard of: And all have the same birth and life sequence.

Khrishna of Hindostan
Buddha Sakia of India
Salivahana of Bermuda
Osiris and Horus of Egypt
Odin of Scandinavia
Crite of Chaldea
Zoroaster of Persia

(More continued)

A simple Google search would have given you this:

"Isn't the Christ-myther list of pre-Christian deities on which the Jesus story was based a valid list?"

A: No.

Of the deities on this list:

-eight appear to be Christ-myther fabrications, not a deity in any culture.
-five were deities that were post-Christian
-the rest are pre-Christian, but have no significant parallels to Jesus.

SOURCE


P.S. Notice above when taking information from others off another website you must "SOURCE" the material you copy/paste.

Originally posted by stevcolx

Originally posted by SaberTruth
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

We post articles, make arguments, back up our claims from extra-biblical sources, and they just keep chanting "Jesus never existed, Jesus is a myth! Jesus never existed, Jesus is a myth!"

Ain't no reasoning with the unreasonable.

Ah you've just said the magic words 'extra-biblical sources'.

You can't get true information from any articles that related to the bible. Because they are bias in their results.

You can't rely on articles that claim He was a myth, because they're just biased.

See how that works?

Originally posted by stevcolx

Originally posted by SaberTruth
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

We post articles, make arguments, back up our claims from extra-biblical sources, and they just keep chanting "Jesus never existed, Jesus is a myth! Jesus never existed, Jesus is a myth!"

Ain't no reasoning with the unreasonable.

Ah you've just said the magic words 'extra-biblical sources'.

You can't get true information from any articles that related to the bible. Because they are bias in their results.

Holy cow!! Did you really just say that??

Absolutely priceless!!!!



"Extra-Biblical" means NON-Biblical!

Originally posted by SaberTruth
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

We post articles, make arguments, back up our claims from extra-biblical sources, and they just keep chanting "Jesus never existed, Jesus is a myth! Jesus never existed, Jesus is a myth!"

Ain't no reasoning with the unreasonable.

What else have they got?