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Republicans ignore the will of the people over taxes, again.

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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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I found this poll and the resulting political spat rather interesting.
More Californians support taxes to fix budget

Sixty percent of people asked say they support an election to extend a temporary tax hike. Only 33 percent backed a Republican plan to balance the budget by slashing state services.

This is the people asking to pay higher taxes in order to fix their own state.

So far, Republicans refuse to go along with it.

This is the Republican party telling the People to go intercourse themselves, again.

Times/USC Dornsife poll: Californians support tax hikes to help close budget gap

The Democratic governor has been traveling the state to tout his proposal for a balance of spending reductions and tax increases since it stalled in the Legislature last month amid a bitter battle with Republicans.


I am sure I am missing something but what I see is the Democratic gov. trying to implement the wishes of his people and the Republicans in the state legislature going against it.

Since this is about CA and tax hikes, I figured that would be rich red meat for a select few here.




posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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If they want to pay higher taxes, why don't they send the money in on their own? I seriously doubt that every single person wants higher taxes. Those who do want them, send a check to your state treasure's office. Problem solved.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:29 AM
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This is just another way to punish the poor and middle class in this country for what?
Working and paying the high price of living? The wage increase is at its slowest in 70 years and yet some of the richest people and companies like GE don't pay taxes. It is absurd and flagrant abuse of the system.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:32 AM
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This " poll " is clearly biased. I have yet to see any Poll that is even remotely close to being accurate. Clear case of "poll " manipulation to fit the need of the propaganda.

No one in their right mind wants higher taxes.....unless your a liberal, Democrats have never been champions of smaller government, and less spending.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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There are problems all over with this thread.

For one the "will of the people" is no idicator of how things are to be done. That's mob rule. A republic is supposed to filter out mob rule. It was the "will of the people" after all that tried to do away with same sex marriage in CA. Mob rule deciding who would be 3/5ths a person.

So let's not parade around the "will ofthe people" like it's some righteous platform. People are idiots and their "will" just as idiotic.

Then there's the obvious: nothing is preventing anyone from paying more. They just want everybody else to pay more.

And finally, when has more money ever fixed anything in government? Tax them all 100% and the gov will still be bankrupting itself by virtue of it's own short-sighted corrupt view.


 
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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
If they want to pay higher taxes, why don't they send the money in on their own? I seriously doubt that every single person wants higher taxes. Those who do want them, send a check to your state treasure's office. Problem solved.


That's your answer, really? In case you hadn't heard, in a democratic society, majority rules. The republican party in it's current state, isn't interested in the the wishes of the "People." They currently answer to corporate America and no one else.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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So let's not parade around the "will ofthe people" like it's some righteous platform. People are idiots and their "will" just as idiotic.


Especially those from California. It would be in our interest to " pop " the fault line, and let California float off to become its own island ( hopefully sinking), thus eradicating a worthless group of people.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Flatfish

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
If they want to pay higher taxes, why don't they send the money in on their own? I seriously doubt that every single person wants higher taxes. Those who do want them, send a check to your state treasure's office. Problem solved.


That's your answer, really? In case you hadn't heard, in a democratic society, majority rules. The republican party in it's current state, isn't interested in the the wishes of the "People." They currently answer to corporate America and no one else.


You do know that liberal Democrats have never been champions of small government, and limited spending right?



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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If the will of the people has no place in a democratic society, then why hold elections in the first place? After what has happened in Wisconsin and around the nation since the last election, (republicans showing the nation what their true agenda really is) I think you may develop a newfound respect for "The Will Of The People" come election time 2012. Every heard of "Buyers Remorse?"



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
It would be in our interest to " pop " the fault line, and let California float off to become its own island ( hopefully sinking), thus eradicating a worthless group of people.


Really? Is that how you think we the people should deal with political opponents? Although I disagree with you politically, I always respected your opinion...until now. This comment underscores your integrity as an American, but more so, a human being.




posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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So, what's your point? I thought this thread was about republicans, once again, refusing to recognize the will of the people who put them in office. I didn't realize that we were debating small government vs. large. Furthermore, all the polls I seen recently, clearly indicate that republican/tea party members don't approve of these cuts in social services either. This isn't about big government vs. small, it's about just what services we want our government to provide vs. those we don't.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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The "will of the people" is fickle and empty.

Even if this were a democratic society and not a republic I'd still not blindly run with the herd.

As it is this republic has been made defacto democratic with dynasty politicians and corrupt tactics relying on that fickle and empty voter pulling for what's hip, trite and shiny.

Why have elections? To appease fools.


 
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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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will of the people


The above is nothing more than a slogan. The will of the people hasn't been met in over 50 decades. You wanna use it as a basis of argument, when there isnt one. The slogan is nothing more than a catchy phrase.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
It would be in our interest to " pop " the fault line, and let California float off to become its own island ( hopefully sinking), thus eradicating a worthless group of people.


Really? Is that how you think we the people should deal with political opponents? Although I disagree with you politically, I always respected your opinion...until now. This comment underscores your integrity as an American, but more so, a human being.



Name one thing that has been derived from the state of California that has been beneficial to the rest of society?

Hint: there isn't anything.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
If they want to pay higher taxes, why don't they send the money in on their own? I seriously doubt that every single person wants higher taxes. Those who do want them, send a check to your state treasure's office. Problem solved.


So...

Democratic process be damned?



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
This " poll " is clearly biased. I have yet to see any Poll that is even remotely close to being accurate. Clear case of "poll " manipulation to fit the need of the propaganda.

Clearly?
Clear it up for me. Aside from your opinion that it is. I know polls are skewed but I guess I am having trouble seeing what you offered up that says anything different. Have you taken a poll? How many CA residents have you asked? Or are you just saying what you think and hoping it has some importance for no reason other than your indignant tone?


No one in their right mind wants higher taxes.....unless your a liberal, Democrats have never been champions of smaller government, and less spending.

Or someone that enjoys a functioning police dept. fire. roads, schools, clean water, safe energy, etc. Believe it or not but many of us in the states live in a society and realize that it benefits us when that society runs with a certain level of benefit to all. I really really enjoy the fact that if my neighbor's home catches fire, I do not have to put it out before it spreads to mine. I guess I am a socialist for wanting my neighbors to have fire protection just like I do. I understand someone has to pay for that and I would rather pay for that then try to recreate all my childhood photographs.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
There are problems all over with this thread.

For one the "will of the people" is no idicator of how things are to be done. That's mob rule. A republic is supposed to filter out mob rule. It was the "will of the people" after all that tried to do away with same sex marriage in CA. Mob rule deciding who would be 3/5ths a person.


While you have a point, I would like to know then who is supposed to decide what is best for the people of CA? A few politicians with agendas and lobbyists? If not the will of the people, then who's will is to be so honored? Mob rule is not exactly great but I guess I fail to understand the benefits of a few elected officials deciding against their electorate on anything. Wouldn't that be a dictatorship? I think there should be a happy medium but perhaps you can change my mind?


So let's not parade around the "will ofthe people" like it's some righteous platform. People are idiots and their "will" just as idiotic.

Yup, same people that elected these folks to um...serve their best interests. That was obviously foolish.


Then there's the obvious: nothing is preventing anyone from paying more. They just want everybody else to pay more.


If I just send the IRS $1 Billion dollars, what do you suppose it would be spent on with no legislation in place to allocate it?


And finally, when has more money ever fixed anything in government? Tax them all 100% and the gov will still be bankrupting itself by virtue of it's own short-sighted corrupt view.


You are a fan of false dichotomies. Tax them all 0% and tell me how things go.


 
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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded

Name one thing that has been derived from the state of California that has been beneficial to the rest of society?

Hint: there isn't anything.


Of the top of my head, how about microchips from silicon valley or how about all the knowledge gained at JPL that was vital to the space program, not to mention they grow some of the best weed in the U.S. out there. One more little contribution that California has made to society can be revealed if you research the history of Radio Shack. Here's a hint, check out where the name "Radio Shack" came from.
edit on 25-4-2011 by Flatfish because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
If they want to pay higher taxes, why don't they send the money in on their own? I seriously doubt that every single person wants higher taxes. Those who do want them, send a check to your state treasure's office. Problem solved.


So...
Democratic process be damned?
So stand up for what YOU believe in. Why force me? Do what YOU think is right, why force me? Make the sacrifices necessary for what YOU believe in, why force me? Lead by example. All I have ever seen from liberals and socialists is their overriding desire to spend other people's money. Put up or shut up! Spend your money first. Show us the way if it is so right.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Flatfish

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
If they want to pay higher taxes, why don't they send the money in on their own? I seriously doubt that every single person wants higher taxes. Those who do want them, send a check to your state treasure's office. Problem solved.


That's your answer, really? In case you hadn't heard, in a democratic society, majority rules. The republican party in it's current state, isn't interested in the the wishes of the "People." They currently answer to corporate America and no one else.
We are not a democracy. You should thank God every day that we are not a democracy. If we were, most of your progressive, liberal claptrap would never have gotten off the ground.
I have to ask how you can talk about the "process" with a straight face though. Have you forgotten how you liberals shoved this owebowma care mess down our throats? Where was the "process" then????????



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